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Setting a fill pattern in a table

May 14, 2013 8:06 AM

Tags: #table #fill #pattern

Hello ,

 

As per the title, can you set a fill pattern in a table?

 

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer...

 
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    May 14, 2013 8:09 AM   in reply to bowen192

    Well, um, yes.

     

    Is that what you thought?

     
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    May 14, 2013 8:15 AM   in reply to bowen192

    Have you looked at the Table Designer? What exactly are you trying to do?

     

    I spend about 45 minutes on the topic in class, 'cause there's plenty of options there.

     

    Clarification: are you looking for a repeating pattern of shading and ruling, or looking to fill a table cell with a pattern of some sort? One of FM's true strengths is handling of long tables, and sophisticated table formats...

     
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    May 14, 2013 8:23 AM   in reply to bowen192

    So...it looks like you have it done!!!

     

    All kidding aside, what's the functionality you're looking for? Filling specific cells, creating some sort of visual repeating cell (not row, not column) pattern?

     

    Still not clear. (Sorry, still 'fore 9am over here.)

     
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    May 14, 2013 8:43 AM   in reply to bowen192

    Got it...

     

    I had a similar client requirement for frequently copied material in text frames.

     

    Oddly, the default FM shading percentages (the fill percentages I dislike) in the Table Designer do the same thing you're looking for. The fill pattern isn't so much a tint, but a collection of ping pong balls to cover a specific percentage of the area. Thus, if you fill with a medium percentage (30-ish) of black, you don't get a gray fill, but rather a reproduce-able series of black dots in the cell.

     

    You can use these fills in the Table designer for clarity in the table layout, or apply them via the Custom Cell Ruling and Shading properties to one or more cells as a table format override (boo, hiss!!!)

     

    For more info, see p169, Customizing Cell Ruling and Shading in my book

     

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    May 14, 2013 8:55 AM   in reply to bowen192

    If you want to use a specific FM fill pattern, you can mimic this using an Anchored Frame construct in a special paratag format. With FM11, it's quite easy using the Object Syles applied to the anchorred Frame.

     

    1. Create a paratag (e.g. CellFill) that has the Table cell margins set to a custom size of 0pt and also a small font size (2pt)

    2. Create an Anchored Frame set to the insertion point that is the sized to cover the cell, centered and filled with the pattern (& colour) that you want.It may take a bit of tweaking to get the AFrame to fit exactly within the cell.

    3. Use the Object Designer to turn this into a named style (e.g. myCellFill).

     

    Then when you need to "shade" the cell with a specific pattern, apply the CellFill paratag and insert the named myCellFill anchored frame.

     

    Note: it would be even easier to set up if FM allowed an "outside table column" settings for AFrames.

     
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    May 14, 2013 9:12 AM   in reply to bowen192

    Here's the screen shot of a 30% black in FM

     

    and a screen shot of the same in PDF.

     

     

    So, yes, I now see what you mean. (And Arnis: when did they finally fix that nasty dot pattern output she's looking for?!)

     

    Offhand, you may have to follow Arnis' instructions on placing an anchored frame, but I'd also lobby for the stripe pattern at adobe.com/go/wish

     

    -Matt

     

    A thought: Can you use custom ruling to accomplish the same emphasis as your shading example? A thick border is likely to draw the same attention to the content, and has the advantage of not obscuring the legibility of the content.

     
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    May 14, 2013 11:00 AM   in reply to mattrsullivan

    Hi, Matt:

     

    I'm not seeingn your screenshots in Safari 5.1.9 on Mac OS X 10.6.8. I haven't hat problems viewing other screenshots on these forums. Any ideas?

     

     

    Regards,

     

     

    Peter

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    mattrsullivan wrote:

     

    Here's the screen shot of a 30% black in FM

     

    and a screen shot of the same in PDF.

     

     

    So, yes, I now see what you mean. (And Arnis: when did they finally fix that nasty dot pattern output she's looking for?!)

     

    Offhand, you may have to follow Arnis' instructions on placing an anchored frame, but I'd also lobby for the stripe pattern at adobe.com/go/wish

     

    -Matt

     

    A thought: Can you use custom ruling to accomplish the same emphasis as your shading example? A thick border is likely to draw the same attention to the content, and has the advantage of not obscuring the legibility of the content.

     
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    May 14, 2013 11:06 AM   in reply to peter at knowhowpro

    They're not showing using IE either - looks like Matt didn't use the camera icon in the web interface to post them (tsk, tsk - not enough coffee yet?) ;>)

     
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    May 14, 2013 11:09 AM   in reply to peter at knowhowpro

    Yes, I saw the pix when I posted, but now that I go back, they're not visible to me either (using Safari as well) I suspect it's because I pasted the image, rather than clicking on the "camera" to upload a file.

     

    Here's another attempt using static files

     

    FMfm-rep.gif

     

    Acrobat

    :acro-rep.gif

     
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    May 14, 2013 12:07 PM   in reply to mattrsullivan

    @Matt,

     

    You can't paste any graphics/images into the editor or email and expect it to show in these Jive forums. The only way is to use the camera icon to upload a file.

     

    The cell shading was tweaked back around FM7.2 or FM8, IIRC.

     

    @bowen192,

     

    Definitely put in a wish list item for having table cell fills support patterns, rather than just colour tints. While you're at it, also ask for table cell styles to be added via the Object Designer...

     

    FrameMaker Bugs & Wish List

     
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