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Encore in Creative Cloud

Jun 17, 2013 7:31 AM

Tags: #adobe #encore

I am a Creative Cloud subscriber and would like to use Encore, but I do not see the icon in the APPS page of my Creative Cloud page.  Where do I search to find ENCORE and is it really part of the subscription?

 
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    Jun 17, 2013 7:36 AM   in reply to Greg61854

    Cloud Problem w/Encore http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1157570

    -MAY have just PPro/Encore w/Cloud http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1172570

    -Need to FIND the EXE http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1202239

     
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    Jun 17, 2013 8:09 AM   in reply to Greg61854

    For most people, these are the issues:

     

    Encore is included with Premiere, but it is a separate install. Some cloud users seem to have trouble finding the program to run once it is installed. Look in any adobe apps folder.

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/5279193#5279193

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 7:12 AM   in reply to Stan Jones

    This morning, I've updated my CS6 (CC) apps, Pr/AE/Photoshop/Audition to the CC version.

    Everything is fine except I can't find Encore CC. I've looked/searched all folders but I only have the old Encore CS6.

     

    I've got only 12GB free space left on my C-drive so I want to remove CS6 but I need Encore for DVD/Blu-ray delivering.

     

    What I'm doing wrong?

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 7:35 AM   in reply to Greg61854

    in order to restore encore, you will need to re-install Premiere Pro CS6 (at least temproarily) to get it. Encore has been retired. More information is available at http://www.adobe.com/products/encore/faq.html.

     

    To (re-)install Premiere Pro CS6, got to https://creative.adobe.com/ login and then go to the Download Center area. You can then click on the Premiere Pro Icon. It will take you to https://creative.adobe.com/products/premiere

     

    Go down to the "In This Version" section and open the drop-down and select the "Premiere Pro CS6" from it.

     

    The download button will change to "Download Premiere Pro CS6"

     

    Click on the button and then it should open the creative cloud app and download Premiere Pro CS6.

     

    After the installation, you can go to the uninstall Premiere Pro CS6 and ONLY select Premiere Pro For unstallation. This will leave Encore.

     

    Here is a Video on how the workflow has changed between Encore and Premiere Pro CC.

    http://tv.adobe.com/watch/davtechtable/using-premiere-pro-cc-encore-cs 6-for-bluray-dvd-and-interactive-video-for-ipadatv-and-mobile-hd/

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 7:42 AM   in reply to SebastianMIS

    Wow.

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 8:38 AM   in reply to Stan Jones

    No bug fixes then. What other programs on a PC can be used?

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 8:45 AM   in reply to Richard M Knight

    Well, Adobe has said that CS6 will receive bug fixes. But I doubt they had Encore in mind, and some important bugs weren't fixed even in major releases. so I agree with your conclusion.

     

    Other programs....

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 10:42 AM   in reply to SebastianMIS

    How bad is this!!! Do they realy think DVD and Blu-ray are dead?

     

    I understand that a lot of people watch movies on there smartphone or tablet but I know a lot of people who watch movies on there 40"+ TV from DVD or Blu-ray.

     

    I'm using Adobe CC products only for movie editing and they kill the most important part (delivering to clients). Bad, bad, bad...

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 11:17 AM   in reply to WilfredAP

    If they'd fix a few of the serious flaws, it wouldn't matter that they add nothing new. Pretty lame.

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 11:35 AM   in reply to Stan Jones

    I never had and have big issues with Encore. It's not the most intuitive program but I know how to handle it and it is fine.

     

    I still believe that DVD and Blu-ray authoring software must be part of any editing software.

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 2:32 PM   in reply to Greg61854

    No ENCORE?!?!? This is the one part of the new adobe I think is crazy. My bread and butter is shooting weddings and live events and my clients expect is there events to be delivered via DVD AND/or Bluray?

    There are still several generations of people that are comfortable with the physical medium. We are not at a completely streaming generation and discs are not dinosaurs yet.

    I really hope adobe releases something to author discs. Probably not.

    I guess I'll have to switch over to another authoring program. Grrrrr!

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 2:35 PM   in reply to WilfredAP

    WilfredAP wrote:

     

    I never had and have big issues with Encore. It's not the most intuitive program but I know how to handle it and it is fine.

     

     

    Encore was and is the worst and most buggiest Adobe product in history for me. It even surpases flash. Subtitles had a bug that destroyed all your subtitle work when entered manually. This bug was known and carried over four versions. I remember many error 0 messages. Have you tried to export ACC audio plus MPEG video from Premiere to use it in Encore and audio is one frame off. Encore messes up the whole timeline and video. What the heck does a cloud help when the core products are neglected.

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 2:55 PM   in reply to rexomus

    Same here. All weddings and other stuff I shoot goes to DVD and Blu-ray. Sometimes the couple or client wants a USB-stick but this is not common.

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 2:56 PM   in reply to Marcus Koch

    I did suffer those issues and like most humans I am a creature of habit and familiarity. But, oh well adobe decided to cut it's sling load.

    I've heard there are other authoring programs out there that are better. Can you suggest a few? Thanks

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 2:57 PM   in reply to rexomus

    I mean to say " I did NOT suffer those issues..."

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 3:00 PM   in reply to Marcus Koch

    I know those bugs but I never use subs and all video I feed to encore are already transcoded the way Encore likes them.

    So Encore was happy with me and I with Encore.

     

    But I use a lot of Precomposed templates so if you know another authoring software which can handle these, please tell me.

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 3:09 PM   in reply to WilfredAP

    But I use a lot of Precomposed templates so if you know another authoring software which can handle these, please tell me.

    I'm interested in Jon Geddes' take on all this.

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 3:36 PM   in reply to WilfredAP

    I have NO idea if this works with your templates, but look at http://www.deskshare.com/dvd-authoring-burning-software.aspx

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 4:31 PM   in reply to rexomus

    I could not agree more!!  I just found out that Encore was not included in an UPDATED version in the cloud....an unbelievable decision.  I did not read anything about this before this week.

     

    I love this statement about Encore (the page does seem to be available and then unavailable randomly: 

    After saying encore won't be updated it says: "Adobe Media Encoder and Adobe Premiere Pro CC include a new

    feature allowing users to create iPad-ready video with QuickTime chapter markers. The Encore CS6

    version will be the final release of this product."

     

    I am so glad that Quicktime and the ipad was focused on...So I am sure all this hi-def video and 5.1 surround sound audio meticulously edited and created in the cloud software is really going to be shown off well on an ipad.  Geez, perhaps just go back to a camera mike, mono audio and 780P (or less) video. 

     

    Very disappointing.  There are more than a few people out there that still use Blu-Rays.  I think the last movie I bought was in that format if I recall correctly.

     

    What others said is true....Encore is not the greatest program, but it works and (was) integrated.  I had high hopes it was going to be upgraded and brought to current standards with the cloud.

     

    BJBBJB1

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 5:04 PM   in reply to BJBBJB1

    And just saw this:

     

    "Please note that Encore CS6 support for future operating system updates or new hardware

    platforms will not be provided."

     

    So that's it.  Need to find new software to make Blu-ray menus with and burn Blu-rays after I upgrade to Windows 8. 

     

    BJBBJB1

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 5:31 PM   in reply to BJBBJB1

    Wow the first great update, Adobe allways talking about. 
    Wonder what comes up next?

    Have fun with the cloud!

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    Jun 18, 2013 5:39 PM   in reply to BJBBJB1

    Where did you find this?

     

    This contradicts that CS6 will be updated for the next major OS. Does Adobeo stay to anything they say?

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 6:26 PM   in reply to Marcus Koch

    Where did you find this?

     

    This contradicts that CS6 will be updated for the next major OS. Does Adobeo stay to anything they say?

    Right in the FAQs cited above.  Yes, it appears to contradict the general statements about keeping CS6 updated for future OSs.

     

    "Encore CS6 is supported on Microsoft® Windows® 7 with Service Pack 1 (64 bit) and Mac OS X v10.6.8 or

    v10.7. Please note that Encore CS6 support for future operating system updates or new hardware

    platforms will not be provided"

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 11:05 PM   in reply to Stan Jones

    If they'd fix a few of the serious flaws, it wouldn't matter that they add nothing new.

     

    I disagree.  I had high hopes of Adobe someday adding the capability for continuous menu video and audio, which BD is capable of.  No more interruptions as we switch menus and make selections.  Using John's Precomposed menus, I reeeeeally wanted that feature in Encore.

     

    It really sucks that Adobe has dropped this program.

     
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    Jun 19, 2013 1:16 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    It really sucks that Adobe has dropped this program.

     

    Yes, it really sucks but I want to know WHY they did this. I believe it is not because the world is changing to streaming media.

     
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    Jun 19, 2013 5:01 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    I disagree.  I had high hopes of Adobe someday adding the capability for continuous menu video and audio, which BD is capable of.

    I don't disagree with that! In the quality of offerings across the Adobe line, you would expect nothing less than what any pro user would consider basic functionality. Just like the ridiculous absence of Bluray chapter playlists initially.

     
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    Jun 19, 2013 5:05 AM   in reply to WilfredAP

    I want to know WHY they did this. I believe it is not because the world is changing to streaming media.

    I assume it is because they do not believe that should put the development dollars into the program. Sonic to Roxio to Rovi, which has dropped Scenarist... They can't get someone else to do it. And they can't even fix serious problems with even working around to a pro level (e.g. the gaps issue). And I'll bet they are saving a bundle by announcing it ends with CS6.

     
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    Jun 19, 2013 6:08 AM   in reply to WilfredAP

    WilfredAP wrote:

     

    Yes, it really sucks but I want to know WHY they did this. I believe it is not because the world is changing to streaming media.

     

    The reason may be very basic psychology - they did it because thay can, and it makes them feel powerful!

     
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    Jun 19, 2013 8:04 AM   in reply to Stan Jones

    >assume it is because they do not believe that should put the development dollars into the program

     

    I have to agree with that idea... Encore has always been (in my view) a bit of a Frankenstein program, cobbled together out of only partially matched pieces

     

    Cryptic error messages because of the interface between the Adobe and Sonic pieces are sometimes a major problem for some people

     

    Not having to deal with that, and with license fees to Sonic, could certainly be a large part of Adobe's decision

     

    I have never used it, but someone in the past mentioned an Encore alternative http://www.deskshare.com/dvd-authoring-burning-software.aspx - at least for DVD

     
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    Jun 21, 2013 3:32 AM   in reply to Stan Jones

    Stan Jones wrote:

     

    But I use a lot of Precomposed templates so if you know another authoring software which can handle these, please tell me.

    I'm interested in Jon Geddes' take on all this.

    I've had many conversations with Jon about the transition to streaming media and the future of physical media.  We used to work together and the issue of creating DVD/Blu-ray style navigation that utilizes the kind of customizable, themed motion menu templates he is known for has been an ongoing discussion for years.  I think the consensus is that physical media is still going to be around for a while and I know Jon plans to continue offering Precomposed products and services indefinitely.  I've heard bits and pieces about a new project he is developing in response to the growing "online delivery ecosystem", but I don't think he has released any official info.  Maybe he'll chime in here or make a blog post about it.

     
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    Jun 22, 2013 11:12 AM   in reply to Greg61854

    From the following kb document:
    http://helpx.adobe.com/encore/kb/encore-cs6-installed-cc.html

     

    Encore CS6 does not have a stand-alone installer, and is not listed as an available app in the Creative Cloud application.  All CS6 products are included with the Creative Cloud subscription, but there is a special process to download those applications.

     

      • #Open the Adobe Creative Cloud application.
        • Mac OS: Go to the Applications folder and open the Adobe Creative Cloud alias.
        • Windows 7: Go to Start > All Programs > Adobe Creative Cloud.
        • Windows 8: Open the Adobe Creative Cloud application from the Start Screen.

         

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        Click the Apps tab in the Adobe Creative Cloud applications.

         

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        Locate Adobe Premiere Pro CC and click More Information.

         



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        The page at https://creative.adobe.com/ for the current version of Adobe Premiere Pro opens. Select the current version and choose CS6.

         



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        .Click the button marked "Download Adobe Premiere Pro CS6"

         



     

    Note:

    Once you have installed Adobe Premiere Pro CS6, you can go through the uninstall process for that application. During the CS6 uninstallation, you are given a chance to select which components to uninstall. Leave Encore deselected, and check Premiere Pro to remove just the Adobe Premiere Pro components.

     

     

     

    Install the Encore CS6 templates and library content

     

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    The Encore CS6 installer does not automatically install the templates or library content that can be used to create your own menus.

    A guide to installing these files can be found here: http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/library-functional-content-m issing.html

     

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    Workflow using Encore CS6 and Adobe Premiere Pro CC

     

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    Encore CS6 is not designed to work with Adobe Premiere Pro CC using dynamic link. There is a new workflow in the video found at the following link.

    http://tv.adobe.com/watch/davtechtable/using-premiere-pro-cc-encore-cs 6-for-bluray-dvd-and-interactive-video-for-ipadatv-and-mobile-hd/

     
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    Jun 22, 2013 10:35 PM   in reply to WilfredAP

    Very bad news. I will wait on the cc upgrade while i ponder giving adobe more money. Fcpx even finally got blu ray ability. It's hard to believe a company that caters to pros would do such a thing. apple? Sure. Adobe. Wow.

     
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    Jun 23, 2013 12:28 PM   in reply to Al Bergstein

    In the light of this information from Jon Geddes: http://www.precomposed.com/blog/2013/06/ame-vs-premiere/#more-1335 sums up the reason I have always preferred to use the dynamic link as compared to using AME for my DVD or blu ray timelines. Being a wedding and events videographer I have always delivered on blu ray and DVD and sometimes on other media.

     

    Besides the chapter markers for ipad highlighted by Adobe that will be achieved using AME and PrPro, what is going to happen to closed captions and interactive subtitles?

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 8:36 PM   in reply to Greg61854

    All your questions regarding Encore and Adobe CC are here: http://www.adobe.com/products/encore/faq.edu.html. You won't like the answers.

     

    The summary is, that is for Windows, you have to re-install Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 which is really "Adobe Premiere CS6 Family." That means you have to take the hit to download and install both Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 and Encore CS6. Then uninstall "Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 Family." The uninstall process will prompt you  to uninstall Premiere Pro CS6 and/or Encore CS6. Select to uninstall Premiere Pro CS6 (if you're upgrading to Adobe Premiere Pro CC you don't need it). Pretty lame. This mess might be a deal breaker for me in about a year when my subscription price goes up.

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 9:21 PM   in reply to BoiseBaked

    My feelings exactly.  I keep reading how Adobe is listening to all of the comments regarding the cloud rollout.  I hope enough people bring up the lack of an updated Encore that perhaps they will reconsider....

     

    BJBBJB1

     
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    Jun 28, 2013 2:14 AM   in reply to srukweza

    srukweza schrieb:

     

    In the light of this information from Jon Geddes: http://www.precomposed.com/blog/2013/06/ame-vs-premiere/#more-1335 sums up the reason I have always preferred to use the dynamic link as compared to using AME for my DVD or blu ray timelines. Being a wedding and events videographer I have always delivered on blu ray and DVD and sometimes on other media.

     

     

    This sheds some more light on the issues:

     

     

    http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2010/10/scaling-in-premiere-pro-cs5 .html

     

    http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2011/02/cuda-mercury-playback-engin e-and-adobe-premiere-pro.html

     

    Most important result form above blogs is that if you are scaling down from HD to SD (e.g. for DVD) you need to use direct export to get a sharp enough image.

     

     

    I particpiated about a year ago in a lengthy thread on the forum, regarding AME and Direct Export. I don't have the link anymore and can't search right now, but as far as I remember AME does not support CUDA. There are general problems with dynamic link because Encore is only 32-bit.

     
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    Jun 28, 2013 3:43 AM   in reply to Marcus Koch

    There are general problems with dynamic link because Encore is only 32-bit.

    Incorrect! Adobe Encore CS6 is 64 bit.

     
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    Jun 28, 2013 4:53 AM   in reply to srukweza

    srukweza schrieb:

     

    There are general problems with dynamic link because Encore is only 32-bit.

    Incorrect! Adobe Encore CS6 is 64 bit.

    You are right! I must have mixed it up with something else. I still have something in my mind about the problem with AME and Encore. Maybe it was only that AME didn't use the CUDA.

     
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    Jul 5, 2013 7:33 AM   in reply to WilfredAP

    I have just converted to Premiere Pro Creative Suite 6 from Final Cut Pro because Apple lost interest in all pro video products.  Now Adobe drops Encore, what is going on? 

     

    They make claims about the Blu-ray/DVD market going away, but they give no evidence to support their claim, and they apparently don't ask their own customers' opinions.  It seems to be the same sort of arrogance Macintosh users became accustomed to from Steve Jobs.  For him, Blu-ray/DVDs were competition for music and video products he sold at the iTunes store, so it was in his selfish best interest to kill all optical media.  But Adobe???  Why did they make this decision without warning?  Is this process part of Adobe's business model for the Creative Cloud???

     

    How is a small independent video producer supposed to deliver a one hour 1080P video contracted to a customer?

     

    I have been an Adobe customer for many years, and love the products - even when they don't work perfectly, but now the CC business model creates serious questions I need answers to, before I will join.  Dropping Encore without canvassing the customer base is a bad omen of more bad things to come as CC members become more dependent on Adobe. As of this time and event, count me out!

     
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