I have Adobe Acrobat X Std running on Windows 7. I'm thinking about upgrading to XI. The key will be paper size. I create large data models. Up to 60" X 240". I know Adobe used to have a 200" limit. Is it stll the case? After experimenting with my currect version, I think there is a 3000 square inch limit as well. I could print a diagram sized to 30" X 90" but not one sized at 30" X 100". That was with Acrobat X Standard. That's why I'm considering the Pro version for my upgrade, but I want to know what it's upper limits are. Anyone have an answer?
Acrobat has a 200" limit. (There is some trick for storing a scale in a file to handle bigger files, but it doesn't seem to work properly, because my last tests showed the scale is ignored on printing).
I've seen other reports of an area limit; might be a Windows thing,as Distiller (the PDF making tool) doesn't really care about area.
Thanks for the reply. I've know about the 200" X 200" inch limit for quite a while. None of my attempts involved a dimension over 150".
You said you've seen other reports about an area limit, perhaps involving Windows. If you can point me in the right direction i'd appreciate it. I just did an internet search, but found nothing relevant. Could there be a system parameter in Windows that needs to be adjusted?
I got the following from the Adobe Acrobat XI users manual:
It’s important to distinguish between page size (as defined in the source application’s Document Setup dialog box for your document) and paper size (the sheet of paper, piece of film, or area of the printing plate you’ll print on). Your page size might be U.S. Letter (8-1/2-by-11 in. or 21.59- by-27.94 cm), but you might need to print on a larger piece of paper or film to accommodate any printer’s marks or the bleed area. To ensure that your document prints as expected, set up your page size in both the source application and the printer.
The list of paper sizes available to Acrobat comes from the PPD file (PostScript printers) or from the printer driver (non-PostScript printers). If the printer and PPD file you’ve chosen for PostScript printing support custom paper sizes, you see a Custom option in the Paper Size menu. For printers capable of producing very large print areas, Acrobat supports pages as large as 15,000,000 in. (38,100,000 cm) by 15,000,000 in. (38,100,000 cm).
HOWEVER, for the past 6 days I've been trying to save large diagrams and failing. These are enterprise level logical data models. One is in ERwin (Computer Associates) and is 130" X 45". I'm using Adobe Acrobat X Standard. After about 20 hours (most of the past weekend) I can say that working in ERwin everything is fine as long as the page area is under 3000 square inches. When I go over that limit, there is no error and no PDF. I've experimented with about a dozen different diagrams with very different dimensions and aspect ratios.
Today, just as an experiment I opened a very large diagram in another tool called System Architect (IBM). This diagram at full scale is about 180" tall by 620" wide. I normally print it at 1/3 scale (its a bit hard to read) on 5' wide paper and it's about 17' long. In SA I could successfully save this to multiple pages either full-size or scaled so long as the paper size was under 3000 square inches. In this case 90" X 30" worked. 100" X 30" did not. I haven't yet taken the time to refine the magic size.
Some time soon I'm goint to try a very large spreadsheet in Excel and see what happens there.
Right now I have some evidence to an area limit, but no idea of where that limit comes from.
Here is an update on my situation/problem.
1. I've been talkig with Adobe tech support. They say there is a size limit in Standard that is less than that in Professional. They weren't specific about the nature of this limit.
2. I've upgraded to Adobe Acrobat XI Standard from X. The problem hasn't changed.
3. I've upgraded to Adobe Acrobat XI Professional. The problem hasne't changed.
4. I created a very large spreadsheet and tried to print it as PDF to 40" wide by 70" high paper (just under that 3000 square inch limit). It took 43 pages, but it worked.
5. I tried to print the same spreadsheet as PDF to 40" wide by 80" high paper (The same amount over the 3000 sq. in. limit, but well under the old 200" X 200" limit.). I got an out of memory error message. I've got 4 GB of memory and Excel was the only application running. This doesn't make much sense to me. The successful PDF from step 4 was about 1.3 Meg in size.
I would very much appreciate it if someone would confrim my steps 4 & 5. Create a large spreadsheet and try to print to Adobe PDF using a very large custom paper size. I'd like to know if the problem is general or just on my PC.
I just received the following from another source:
Here is an interesting article about Windows 7 RTM having issues with large documents.
“The problem will occur if "(Paper Width in inches * dpi) * (Paper Length in inches * dpi)" results in a number larger than 4GB (0xFFFFFFFF),” the company noted.
The deal breaking combination is a mixture of high resolution content and large paper size, Microsoft said.
So maybe if you reduce your dpi resolution you might get it to print. Just an off-the-wall thought. Of course, maybe this was only an issue with RTM.
Anyway, here is the rest of the article:
“You are unable to print a document on a large paper size at a high resolution from a Windows 7 client. For example, printing at 600x600 dpi one page which printable area is 40" x 300" will fail. The same page will be printed fine when printed at 300x300 dpi,” the software giant revealed.
There is a solution already available for end users to deal with this issue. However, Microsoft is not offering an update or a hotfix, or any sort of automatic resolve for that matter. Still, the fix is simple enough that it can be easily implemented manually, and in fact this is what the Redmond company is advising customers to do.
“Add the following registry DWORD and set the value to 1 (if the printer driver is using EMF data type) or 2 (if the printer driver uses RAW data type): [HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows] "UMPDSecurityLevel" - DWORD - "0x1" or "0x2",” Microsoft noted.
Does anyone know if this applies to Adober Acrobat PDF? Which data type does Adobe use?
About a week ago, I contacted Adobe tech support. It seems they have forgotten this issue. They've again promoted it to a higher level of tech support and I'm waiting to hear from them (again).
Changing the dpi resolution in advanced settings does increase the total area that can be printed, but there is sitll an upper limit that is much less than 200" X 200". At present I'm working around this by scaling down my diagrams and advising my clients to scale them up when printing to a large formation printer. My diagram of greatest concern is and IBM System Architect data model that is 42" X 140" and I can not save it at full size even when I change the dpi setting. By adjusting the dpi I can print it at 36 X 110.