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New features in Photoshop Elements 12 ?.

Jun 17, 2013 3:58 PM

Tags: #photoshop #cmyk #new #elements #release #bit #date #photomerge #hdr #curves #features #16 #12 #soft-proofing

Photoshop Elements has come a long way since it replaced Photoshop 5 LE back in 2001.  It however still lacks many of the more professional features of Photoshop Creative Cloud such as 16 Bit Editing, CMYK color mode and soft-proofing.  It also has a number of watered down or simplified features like the slider depended Adjust Color Curves and Photomerge Exposure rather than HDR editing.  With Photoshop Elements 12 expected to be released in September what new features or functionally would you most like to be added to the new version ?.

 
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    Jun 17, 2013 7:54 PM   in reply to bitm07

    Only one - and it's none of the above!

     

    Support for 64 bit OS and memory beyond 3GB.  I have 32GB and 'out of memory' messages become as irritating as hell under those conditions.

     
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    Jun 18, 2013 1:49 AM   in reply to bitm07

    Right, and all the more baffling when you consider that for a PSE typical user, a 64 bit >4GB RAM machine has probably been the de facto spec for years now.  Perocnally is PSE 12 had no othe feature than 64 bit mult thread support that would be enough to justify its purchase.

     
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    Jul 15, 2013 12:08 AM   in reply to bitm07

    Adjustment brush in ACR for elements

     
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    Jul 16, 2013 7:30 AM   in reply to bitm07

    I would also love to see 64 bit OS support... and please don't turn it into a subscription-only offering like CC.

     

    Seems like rumors have Photoshop Elements 11 coming once again in Septemer 2013 (an annual release cycle just like the last few years).

     
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    Jul 25, 2013 3:49 PM   in reply to Kopoos

    While things are always subject to change, I have not heard anything about PrE, or PsE going to the CC (Creative Cloud), but as pointed out, the new version has historically been released by mid-Sept, or early-Oct, in time for Holiday shopping.

     

    Over the last several years, ProDesignTools (an Adobe partner, and influencer) has hit the release date pretty closely - think they were within two days, with PrE 11.

     

    As those, who really KNOW, cannot say, we only have speculation on when the new version will be released. We may need to wait until that release, to find out both what is in PrE/PsE 12, and how those Elements programs will be licensed.

     

    Obviously, the big, full-featured programs, like Ps, PrPro, AE and some others HAVE gone exclusively to the CC licensing, I do not anticipate that Adobe will make changes to those programs, but have no reason to anticipate that the Elements programs will go to CC. One of the big pluses with the CC licensing, is that those bigger programs will get constant updating - something that has seldom applied to the Elements programs. Still, we all must wait.

     

    Good luck to us all,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 6:41 AM   in reply to bitm07

    A few thoughts related to the Organizer portion:

     

    1. Comments for tags.  The ‘keyword tags’ in all the versions I’ve used allows you to enter comments about the tag.  However, version 11 introduced ‘people tags’ – but that did not include the ability to enter comments about the ‘people tags.’  For myself, I found the comment field to be very valuable.  I used them regularly to add notes about who barely-recognizable distant-relatives were, and how they were related to me, etc.  I would love to see a comment field added to the ‘people tags.’
    2. Default location for PSE Catalog.  By default, Elements places the catalog in the \ProgramData\ folder (on Windows machines).  The problem is that few users would think to backup this folder as part of routine backup procedures, unless they were backing up the full hard disk.  And, most of the consumer backup utilities (and services, e.g. Carbonite) generally have defaults to only backup the \users\{username}\ folder structure.  As a result, for users who are diligent about doing regular backups, there is a pretty good chance that they are not backing up this very critical file.  Compounding this is the fact that the process to move the catalog to another folder is far from intuitive.  It is virtually impossible to figure out from the user-interface itself.  As I’ve wanted to move the catalog location with each new version of the release, I’ve had to spend considerable time searching the web and Adobe knowledgebase to find out how to do it.  It would be great if 1) the default location was in the \users\{username}\ folder structure, and/or 2) the user could change the location during the installation process, and/or 3) the process for changing the location after installation was simpler and more intuitive
    3. Comments/Captions.  In Windows, there are several pieces of information associated with each picture file (e.g. date taken, camera type, dimensions, etc.).  The comments field is one that I use to enter information about the image (names, locations, events, etc.).  I’ve been doing since before my use of PSE.  It would be great if PSE could grab this information when doing a media import and store it as the PSE caption information.
    4. Folder hierarchy view.  In version 11, the folder-tree pane on the left side of the Organizer only shows folders that have been imported into PSE.  In previous versions, the folder-tree showed 'all' folders - and those that had not been imported to PSE were greyed out.  I found the view in pervious versions to be very helpful, as it served to let me know which directories I had not yet imported.  With the interface in version 11, I either 1) have to make more of a manual effort (comparing my actual folder-tree with that I see in PSE), or 2) rely on memory to realize that PSE is not showing me pictures that I have.

     

    I'm looking forward to the new version.

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 7:35 AM   in reply to brian11375

    brian11375 wrote:

     

    A few thoughts related to the Organizer portion:

     

    • Folder hierarchy view.  In version 11, the folder-tree pane on the left side of the Organizer only shows folders that have been imported into PSE.  In previous versions, the folder-tree showed 'all' folders - and those that had not been imported to PSE were greyed out.  I found the view in pervious versions to be very helpful, as it served to let me know which directories I had not yet imported.  With the interface in version 11, I either 1) have to make more of a manual effort (comparing my actual folder-tree with that I see in PSE), or 2) rely on memory to realize that PSE is not showing me pictures that I have.

    Brian,

    For the last item,don't wait for the new version. You can switch from the internal folder view you are mentionning to the complete drive folder tree by clicking on the the small yellow icon (2 rectangles) on the right of the title 'My Pictures'. The new view is called 'Pictures', and it's not buggy like in the former versions.

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 8:27 AM   in reply to MichelBParis

    Thanks, Michael.  I had looked for a work-around when I first ran into this issue, and again now with your suggestion - but I'm still having no luck.

     

    When I first launch Organizer, the top of the folder-hierarchy pane shows 'my folders' (not 'my pictures').  However, there is still a yellow icon to the right of that 'my folders' title (the icon looks like two yellow folders).  When I hover over it, it shows 'show folder hierarchy.'  When I clikc on it, click on it I do get a slightly different view of the hierarchy, but it still won't show me folders that have not yet been imported (I specifically created a new folder via Windows Explorere with one picture in it for this test). 

     

    I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 8:57 AM   in reply to brian11375

    You are right about the 'Folders'. I am working on a French version, so I quoted by memory...

     

    The new folder view does show only folders which have pictures, or which have subfolders having pictures in them. It skips folders without any catalogued pictures in any of its subfolders. That's the ideal view for people wanting to manage folders from within the organizer. Remember that you don't need to bother with folder organization if you rely on the organizer tags, categories and albums. However, if you want to organize the folder trees, the PSE11 'Folders' view is ideal, it does not add complexity to already complex trees.

     

    If you are using the 'Folders' view to check for non already catalogued pictures, that means your  importing procedure into your catalogs is not perfect.

     

    - You can use the default folder tree structure in the downloader

    - You can use the 'watched folder' feature in Windows

    - In 'Folders' view, you can right click an empty folder and import all missing media in its subfolders

    - or if you right click as above, you can show the contents of the folder in the Windows explorer.

     

    Which earlier version did you use ?

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 9:04 AM   in reply to MichelBParis

    Hi,

     

    In the folder view, have you tried right clicking on a disc or folder and selecting Show All SubFolders?

     

    That seems to display all the folders whether catalogued or not.

     

    Brian

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 9:07 AM   in reply to Little_Pale_Face

    Thanks, Brian.

    I had tried it on the wrong type of folder... with all subfolders already visible.

    That works perfectly.

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 9:14 AM   in reply to MichelBParis

    I'm glad it worked and I wasn't seeing things

     

    Brian

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 9:59 AM   in reply to Little_Pale_Face

    That does work, thanks!  Now if I could get Organizer to always open to that view, I'd be set.

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 10:04 AM   in reply to MichelBParis

    The issue stems from situations where I add new photos to my computer, but decid that I'll import and catalog them later.  Seeing the uncataloged folders as greyed out was an instant reminder I had to do something. 

     

    I think I've used every version since 6 or 7. But I recall how it worked in 10 (with uncatlogued folders showing as greyed out), and liked that very much.

     

    I'll play around with the right-click and Watch function, as work-arounds.

     
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    Aug 17, 2013 9:31 AM   in reply to bitm07

    16 Bit Editing is definately a feature i would like to see. More and more amateurs want this feature. And i don't think it's a feature worth 20$ a month (Photoshop Cloud).

     

    I don't think they need to add CMYK color mode. Unless i'm mistaken it's a feature mostly used by pro. Anyway i don't need it personally.

     

    64 bits support would definately be nice. Pretty much everyone these days using PSE and its big brother have 64 bits OS and 4+ GB of ram. 8GB is the standard for new PC these days. In fact 10 years from now we wont even consider this a feature it will be standard like 32 bits app were 5 years ago.

     

    I would like the Organizer to be overhauled too. It's stupid to have a splash screen when we start the Organizer alone. And the organizer is somewhat slow to start and bulky when you compare it to MS Photo Gallery. The UI ain't that great either. It's not bad by any mean but i think it should destroy the competition which is not really the case right now imo.

     

    Have nothing to do with Photoshop Elements but they really need to step up Premiere Elements. While it's not bad there's a problem when a company like Cyberlink can clearly beat you ...

     
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    Aug 17, 2013 9:52 PM   in reply to bitm07

    I would like to have the ability to open multiple JPEG images in Camera RAW.  It is possible, of course, to open multiple RAW images in Camera RAW, however to do the same with JPEG images would make life much easier !  I take both RAW and JPEG depending on circumstances.

     
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    Aug 18, 2013 7:23 AM   in reply to Little_Pale_Face

    Hi, I'm popping into this particular thread point for a question. I accidentally, during an overzealous back up session, somehow "imported" files that are associated with my machine and not E11. I safely removed all my photos to CD's and reinstalled E11 thinking that it would clear out the Folders tree and I would have E11 back to day 1 brand new. This is not the case. E11 is continuing to prompt me to backup files, missing files and attempting reconnect ions. Since Jan 2013, I have processed 300+/- images, only. The backup attempts indicate I have over 3500 files to reconnect and back up.

     

    I would prefer to do a complete reinstall to avoid having to figure out which files are necessary to E11; however, I used my permitted install as I described above. I deactivated E11, saved the serial number option and reinstalled. However, if that is not an option, how can I delete these folders? Being prompted to backup every time I open E11 is making me crazy. Thanks for any insight and help!

     
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    Aug 18, 2013 7:46 AM   in reply to TeresaHarrington0704

    Hi,

     

    Please see my response in your othere thread

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1277722?tstart=0

     

    Brian

     
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    Aug 26, 2013 7:15 AM   in reply to Little_Pale_Face

    Two for me, not new features , but I'd like to see the return of:

     

    1.   A sharp F11 fullscreen preview - currently to get a sharp preview you need to press F11, then 100%, then back again to obtain a sharp preview as in previous versions (PSE11 prevents this by using a different 'sharpening' algorithm to open fullscreen preview quicker which in turn makes the image preview less sharp).

     

    2. Dual monitor support for organizer i.e. have organizer on one screen & F11 preview opening in secondary monitor - again, this feature was available before PSE11.

     

     

    I've currently gone back to using PSE9 and wont bother buying PSE12 or any future versions until these important features have been reinstated.

     
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    Sep 19, 2013 9:11 PM   in reply to francischabot156

    Ditto on overhauling the Organizer. LONG past due. A piece of software that crashes 100% of the time on a common operation just because the file is stored on the network? Pleeessee. That's so 1995...

     
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    Sep 23, 2013 12:30 PM   in reply to bitm07

    bitm07 wrote:

     

    The Help and Tutorial page descriptions have been changed back to Elements 11.

     

    This is a very bad sign indeed.  Perhaps it is not coming out this week!!!  Why is Adobe so secretive about the release date?  Don't they want to create the hype like other software makers do?  Apple, and Microsoft to name just two would announce in advance so that people can start queuing up for the release date.

     
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    Sep 23, 2013 12:50 PM   in reply to mytaxsite.co.uk

    Given that Adobe releases their software on Monday mornings and it's already mid-day, looks like the rumors are pegging the release for Sept 30, 2013.

     
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    Sep 23, 2013 1:01 PM   in reply to Kopoos

    Nobody ever releases software on Monday mornings.

     
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    Sep 23, 2013 1:11 PM   in reply to Barbara B.

    Barbara you can’t resist

     

    What would be the ultimate v12 package for DSLR and Smartphone shooters who capture stills and video?

     

    A creative cloud bundle of PSE/PRE at $10/pm for upgrades and $15/pm for new customers?

     

    With the option to buy a perpetual license for those who don’t want regular updates?

     

    Just throwing the cat amongst the pigeons. My guess is as good as yours; so I‘ll just wait and see.

     

    PS What if $5/pm?

     
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    Sep 23, 2013 3:05 PM   in reply to Barbara B.

    Quick question..I just purchased elements 11 and installed it yesterday. Will I get an upgrade to 12?

     

    Thanks in Advance

     

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    Sep 23, 2013 10:15 PM   in reply to dixiedregs1

    dixiedreg1 - If you ordered from Adobe.com, then you can call customer support to request fro a free upgrade to Elements 12 as it was just released today (you are within the 30 day window).   If you ordered from a reseller, it may be more difficult but you can try to retun it if their return policy allows it.

     
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    Sep 24, 2013 1:15 AM   in reply to Kopoos

    Wonder if Dual - Monitor support will return for Elements 12 ?

     
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    Sep 24, 2013 3:49 AM   in reply to Les_Cornwell

    Rich set of features in PSE 12 includes:

     

    • Content-aware Move
    • Auto Smart Tone
    • Enhanced Quick edit mode (frames, textures, and effects)
    • Greeting card printing | USA, Canada, & Japan
    • New Guided Edits
    • Content-aware fill for edges of straightened photos
    • Pet eye effect removal
    • Printing and sharing photos from Editor
    • Revel Albums in Editor
    • Open in Camera Raw

     

    For more info review here.

     

    Thanks,

    Garry

     
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    Sep 24, 2013 3:52 AM   in reply to ukgaurav

    What about dual monitor support though?

     
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    Sep 24, 2013 2:02 PM   in reply to Kopoos

    Thanks I appreciate your quick reply..

     
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    Sep 25, 2013 1:32 AM   in reply to ukgaurav

    It seems odd that Mac's get 64 bit support but Windows users don't.

     
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    Sep 25, 2013 3:41 AM   in reply to bitm07

    I'm with you.  Lack of 64 bit support makes this a no upgrade release for me.  It's the only thing I need right now. 

     
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    Sep 27, 2013 4:16 AM   in reply to PaulFBarrett

    Here is the list which includes features of both Elements Organizer and Editor:

     

    • Access your media anywhere using Adobe Revel
    • Tagging features
    • Sorting of media alphabetically by name
    • Search Improvements
    • Support for sharing photos using Twitter
    • 64-bit support on Mac OS
    • Content-aware Move
    • Auto Smart Tone
    • Enhanced Quick edit mode (frames, textures, and effects)
    • Greeting card printing | USA, Canada, & Japan
    • New Guided Edits
    • Content-aware fill for edges of straightened photos
    • Pet eye effect removal
    • Printing and sharing photos from Editor
    • Revel Albums in Editor
    • Open in Camera Raw

     

    For more info review here.

     

    Thanks,

    Garry

     
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    Sep 27, 2013 7:52 AM   in reply to ukgaurav

    ukgaurav wrote:

     

    • Greeting card printing | USA, Canada, & Japan

     

    Just to expand on this the new feature part is "the ability to print a foldable greeting card on a local printer." The country specific reference is that the folded card templates only display with certain country settings. If you don't see the folded card templates then you can change your location in the Organizer under Edit> Preferences> Adobe Partner Services> Location.

     

    Here's an example with Location set to Japan:

     

    1.jpg

     

    Cheers,
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