# Premiere Elements

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## Subunit of time below a second in PE11?

### Jun 22, 2013 2:33 PM

Hi folks,

I notice that PE11 has a unit of time below a second, which is divided into 30 parts.

I had always assumed one would simply use decimals if they need subdivsions of a second, such as 4.5 seconds. So that a timepoint of 2 hours, 3 minutes and 4 and ahalf seconds would be 2:03:04.5. Or maybe 2 H 3' 4.5''.

But PE11 would say this as 02;03;04;15

Is this a quirk of PE, or is there really some basis for only counting to 30 for subdivisions of a second?

Wikipedia says there is also a "thirds" which comes after "seconds", but which counts to 60, just like seconds and minutes.

Can anyone shed light? Thanks if you can help!

Mike

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Jun 22, 2013 3:03 PM   in reply to TheRedKnightMike

TheRedKnightMike

The Timecode for Premiere Elements can be seen as 00;00;00;00 (NTSC) representing hours; minutes; seconds; frames.

If you are working from a 30 frames per second system, the one frame would be represented as 00;00;00;01 and that 1 frame would be eqvalilent to 0.033 seconds.

It would go from 00;00;00;29 to 00;00;01;00.

If you are in a PAL setup, then the puncuation marks between would be : instead of ;

In the case of your 02;03;04;15, that would be

2 hours 3 minutes 4 second + 0.5 second

or

2 hours 3 minutes 4.5 seconds

Thanks.

ATR

Add On...It is not just Premiere Elements 11. Some of these frames setting can be useful when you get to Time Lapse  That is my take on all this.

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Jun 22, 2013 3:03 PM   in reply to A.T. Romano

I'm with ATR. Showing timecode by frames rather than fractions of second is fairly universal in video and film editing.

And it makes sense -- since some times you might edit down at the frame level, though it's impossible to edit a video in percentage or fractions of seconds. Yes, half a second is 15 frames. But you can't edit one-fourth of a second, 7.5 frames because you can't cut frames in half!

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Jun 22, 2013 3:15 PM   in reply to TheRedKnightMike

TheRedKnightMike

A just in case note to be used when and if necessary....

In the Premiere Elements workspace, it is common to use the display format (NTSC) of 30 fps Drop-Frame Timecode. There are other choices that can be found under Edit Menu/Project Settings/General and there under Display Format you will find the choices for:

30 fps Drop-Frame Timecode

30 fps Non Drop Frame Timecode

and

Frames

Recently I have been doing some studies on Motion Effects, and, setting the Display Format to Frames so that they display above the Timeline instead of the Timecode is very useful for looking at these effects at a frame level.

ATR

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Jun 22, 2013 4:31 PM   in reply to TheRedKnightMike

For Video, a Frame is the smallest unit available. You really cannot have a partial Frame.

As mentioned, the TimeCode in PrE is the universal SMPT, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMPTE_timecode

Now, in PrPro, one can change the TimeCode display to Audio Units (which will be based on the Sample Rate of the Audio), but that is ONLY useful for editing the Audio, such as nudging the Audio Clip by Sample Rate increments (usually 1/48,000 of a sec), and one still must deal with Video at the Frame level.

Good luck,

Hunt

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Jun 23, 2013 9:46 AM   in reply to TheRedKnightMike

Mike,

For us, getting the information and help out, is what's important.

Good luck,

Hunt

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