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Jquery menus for DW CC

Jun 24, 2013 2:56 AM

Tags: #jquery #dreamweaver #spry #css

So Spry is gone in DW CC. Spry of course made deploying menus very quick and easy. Does anyone have any suggestions for an equivalent tool for menus using Jquery?

 

Thanks

 
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    Jun 25, 2013 2:11 AM   in reply to madwebllc

    Hi madwebllc,

     

    There is one free Widget available on Adobe Exchange "Advanced CSS Menu Light" using jQuery. You can give it  a try.

     

    You can access it through DW CC.

    1. Window menu < Extensions < Adobe Exchange.

    2.  Click on Fee tab in the Exchange Panel.

    3. Click "Advanced CSS Menu Light" and follow on screen instructions to install it.

     

    The ZXP installer is downloaded to the user's documents folder.

     

    Thanks

    Bhawna

     
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    Jun 26, 2013 6:30 PM   in reply to madwebllc

    Yes, I had exactly the same problem installing and then the Ajatix menu option appears active in Dreamweaver but it is nonresponsive. I am using Dreamweaver CC version 13.0 Build 6390 and use Window 7. I am hoping for a soluton.

     
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    Jun 28, 2013 2:07 PM   in reply to madwebllc

    Hi all,

     

    Thank you for  your feedback. Will ask around and get back with an answer. With the weekend, the wait might be a little longer.

     

    Thanks,

    Preran

     
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    Jul 2, 2013 4:59 PM   in reply to bgupta16

    I have been working with Alex at Ajatix. He was great and worked with me until the problem was solved. Here is the link.

    1. www.ajatix.com/downloads/com.ajatix.AdvancedCSSMenuLight_2.1.5.zxp
      1. Download
      2. Close Dreamweaver, if open
      3. Open Adobe Extension Manager CC
      4. Select File, Install Extension
      5. Browse for the downloaded .ZXP
      6. Follow prompts
      7. Launch Dreamweaver

    Scott S-)

     
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    Jul 17, 2013 6:52 AM   in reply to Preran

    I haven't seen the staff get back on this and the final post here has an automatic download. Is there an extention from adobe extention manager that gives the jquery drop down menu? Why this has been eliminated, I don't know.

    Preran???

     
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    Jul 17, 2013 7:00 AM   in reply to madwebllc

    for now, until the staff answers, I am using my old DW - which I have been for my stylesheet as well since I find editing it much easier there

     
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    Jul 17, 2013 9:25 AM   in reply to LoisReed

    Lois,

     

    Apologies for not getting back earlier. I am following up with the product team today.

     

    Thanks,

    Preran

     
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    Jul 21, 2013 7:47 AM   in reply to Preran

    Hello Preran,


    I was using the spry menubar widget in Dw CS6 and found it brilliant, I upgraded to Dw CC lately (Took a dive in at the deep end) so it seems. I am as confused as many other users that there was not a JQuery UI widget available to step in to the shoes and out perform its old predecessor. At the moment in this respect Dw CC is in reverse gear it seems to me. I am lucky because I can open the old sites in Dw CS6 and insert spry that way but that’s not the point. I can’t get my head around the omission of such brilliant functionality. I really do hope that there is a jQuery UI menu bar widget in the making and available soon. A CC membership is not cheap.

    What do others think?

    Imelda Martin.       

     
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    Jul 22, 2013 6:27 PM   in reply to Preran

    Hi Preran, We are all waiting on this, any response on a fix yet? This is a huge omission.

     

    Thank you, jkibbe

     
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    Jul 22, 2013 7:04 PM   in reply to jkibbe

    Hi jkibbe,

     

    I understand. I rechecked with the product team today. They have asked me to wait. Will update as soon as I have an answer.

     

    Thanks,

    Preran

     
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    Jul 23, 2013 12:41 PM   in reply to Preran

    We all look forward to it! Thank you.

     
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    Jul 23, 2013 1:01 PM   in reply to madwebllc

    madwebllc wrote:

     

    So Spry is gone in DW CC. Spry of course made deploying menus very quick and easy. Does anyone have any suggestions for an equivalent tool for menus using Jquery?

     

    Thanks

    jQuery menus are only as good as the person writing the jQuery stub - or plugin. Most are not very good in a broad sense. If you want "easy" in Dreamweaver, automation, and full and unlimited support - along with the best menu system there is - you might want to look at PMM3:

     

    http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/pmm3/demos/index.htm

     

    The PMM brand has been the finest menu system available for Dreamweaver for over 10 years. It's not free. It is simply the best.

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 6:44 AM   in reply to Preran

    I too, am curious, and would like to know the reason behind, why Adobe choose NOT to include the jQuery UI Menu Widget when they inculded 8 of the 11 existing widgets.

     

    Dennis

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 8:22 AM   in reply to Dennis48755

    honestly, after trying this for the intro price for the first year, I am finding only the upgrades to photoshop worth anything. I am sticking with my old dreamweaver. When the year is up, and it is time to renew, I am likely to purchase photoshop and drop creative cloud all together if it remains this unimpressive. I do think  I made a big mistake siging on with it

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 8:45 AM   in reply to LoisReed

    actually, I just tested the spry menu on the ipod and it no longer works with touch technology, meaning the drop-downs are not showing ... this is something to consider and would certainly make the cc dreamweaver worth it if a drop-down for touch technology were offered

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 9:51 AM   in reply to bgupta16

    "There is one free Widget available on Adobe Exchange "Advanced CSS Menu Light" using jQuery."

     

    Advanced CSS Drop Down Menu Light is a CSS menu. It does not use jQuery, Spry or any other JavaScript framework. It does not use JavaScript at all. In fact this makes it compatible with any framework there is. It can be used alongside any version of jQuery, ExtJS, MooTools, etc. You can even disable JavaScript in your browser and the menu will work.

     

    Modern menus are not about JavaScript, they are about CSS. Some of them may use small portions of JavaScript for added functionality (progressive enhancement), but JavaScript is no longer a key technology in that area

     

    P.S. They are also about semantics.

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 9:50 AM   in reply to LoisReed

    Adobe is an application developer - they are not set up to develop and

    manage JavaScript widgets. Every time they've tried, they've failed -

    with Spry being the most recent failure. The strength of Dreamweaver is

    its extensibility. Without the founding extension developers from 1998,

    Dreamweaver never would have taken off. The answer to your question is

    to fill out Adobe's wishlist and ask for a jQuery UI menu feature. That

    takes care of the entry-level users. For folks who want more features

    and more hand-holding, there are commercial extensions - you just have

    to no where to look. Long-time Dreamweaver users know the drill.

     

    --

    Al Sparber - PVII

    http://www.projectseven.com

    The Finest Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets

    Since 1998

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 10:19 AM   in reply to ajatix.com

    Thanks!!! I love it, and am finding it very easy to customize - I have to add drop menus to an old site (http://www.artandsoul108.com/) and with chrome webmaster tools I am loving it. webmaster tools are giving me the exact place to edit the css.

     

    I did try and merge this with my global css and it broke, but I am sure that is an easy fix when I am not under time pressures.

     

    Again THANK YOU.

     

    I'll check it on the iphone when it is loaded. Presently, I am building it...

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 10:22 AM   in reply to Al Sparber

    they also charge a lot of money. Sure, I can build anything by hand. DW is a tool to expedite the process ... for the money, I expect more

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 11:13 AM   in reply to madwebllc

    Also, since Adobe has included many of the jQuery UI Widgets, if they also included the Menu widget, DreamWeaver users could utilize the same styles, themes and probably many of the same jQuery resources.

     

    Dennis

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 11:28 AM   in reply to ajatix.com

    I'm afraid that if you want to joint the mobile-device/responsive

    bandwagon, then you are going to have to use JavaScript unless you want

    a very simple menu or one with drop-downs that do not work well (or at

    all) in touch devices.

     

     

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    Al Sparber - PVII

    http://www.projectseven.com

    The Finest Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets

    Since 1998

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 11:29 AM   in reply to LoisReed

    Based on past history, I'm afraid you are expecting too much: -)

     

    Pure CSS menus, by the way, will  not work well on a touch device. They

    will be rudimentary at best and unusable at worst.

     

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    Al Sparber - PVII

    http://www.projectseven.com

    The Finest Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets

    Since 1998

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 11:34 AM   in reply to madwebllc

    I have absolutely no idea what are talking about Madweblc. do you?

    Anyone who understands JavaScript knows Spry was a failure. Adobe needs

    a free menu tool for the folks (many of whom post here) do not have a

    budget or simply do not want to spend money for tools - for which there

    are many valid reasons.

     

    I knocked Spry. That's all. Sorry you were confused.

     

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    Al Sparber - PVII

    http://www.projectseven.com

    The Finest Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets

    Since 1998

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 12:07 PM   in reply to Al Sparber

    "Pure CSS menus, by the way, will  not work well on a touch device."

    Why wouldn't they?

    There is a lot of different kind of pure CSS menus that do:

    http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 1:05 PM   in reply to ajatix.com

    Hi Ajatix,

     

    Simple menus will work fine. A multi-level menu will not. For a simple

    menu, only the greenest of beginners would need a widget. The trick is

    making multi-level menus respond to touch in a usable way.

     

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    Al Sparber - PVII

    http://www.projectseven.com

    The Finest Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets

    Since 1998

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 1:20 PM   in reply to Al Sparber

    Simple menus will work fine. A multi-level menu will not. For a simple

    menu, only the greenest of beginners would need a widget. The trick is

    making multi-level menus respond to touch in a usable way.

    To further clarify:

     

    1. Sgnificantly higher than 90% of all non-robot user agents today have JavaScript enabled.
    2. Nearly 100% of mobile devices have script enabled.
    3. Professionally programmed menu systems are designed to fall back to pure CSS when script is disabled. Simply view one of our menu examples in your browser with script disabled:
      http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/pmm3/demos/index.htm
    4. Popular pure CSS and even some scripted menus are fatally flawed when it comes to multi-levels in a responsive, mixed device application.
    5. Good design has it that top-level links in a hierarchical menu be real links for optimum accessibility. This is the area where most pure CSS menus fail miserably.

     

    To summarize, fear and loathing of JavaScript is no longer relevant. The bottom line is that Adobe should have a basic and modern menu tool available for hobbyists and beginners. The high end remains the domain of those Dreamweaver users capable of writing their own menu systems or of the top-tier extension developer community.

     

    Best,

    Al Sparber

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 1:44 PM   in reply to Al Sparber

    Al, Your menu falls back to pure CSS. Our commercial menus are based on pure CSS and use JavaScript for progressive enhancement (animations, delays, 'you are here' markers, etc.). Don't you think we are talking about same thing here. The core is CSS, the JavaScript builds up on it. My point was good drop down menus are not as much about JavaScript frameworks as about correct HTML semantic + CSS design. Is it important the menu should be jQuery based?

     

    Alex

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 2:35 PM   in reply to ajatix.com

    Our menus are built with CSS first and then we use JavaScript to enhance

    them - which includes getting it to work usably in a multi-level format

    on touch devices. As for jQuery, we never use it. We write all our

    scripts from scratch so that they do ONLY what they need to do for the

    task. I mentioned jQuery before because Adobe is kind of stuck with it.

    There are no programmers around anymore that write dedicated scripts -

    except for us and a few other souls.

     

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    Al Sparber - PVII

    http://www.projectseven.com

    The Finest Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets

    Since 1998

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 7:20 PM   in reply to madwebllc

    I am neither playing nor being coy. Dreamweaver has to cater to

    beginners because it is their largest remaining market - and it's a

    market that has changed over the years.

     

    An experience web developer does not need a Dreamweaver menu or a canned

    jQuery one. He can write his own or go directly to a quality source to

    ensure he is using something that is relevant and up-to-date. I'm sure

    you realize there are quite a few folks out there using Dreamweaver CS5

    or 6 and oblivious to the fact that they are using a menu (Spry) that is

    out of date. Actually, it was pretty bad even when it was in date.

     

    I have no idea how long you have been part of the Dreamweaver community,

    but it would seem not for very long or you would know there are a few

    high-quality extension developers around. Since Adobe took over, the

    Exchange has become a dumping ground for many folks who simply copy open

    source plugins and give them a Dreamweaver interface - or who simply

    write poor code. That's why we have had no part of the Exchange for the

    past 8 years.

     

    If you think about what it takes to manage these kinds of features, it

    should become apparent that Adobe is not equipped to do it. There is

    historical precedent.

     

    It's threads like this that inspire Adobe to stick third-party code in

    Dreamweaver to make marketing bullet points and appease the masses. It

    is a hollow appeasement. Very hollow.

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 8:30 PM   in reply to Al Sparber

    Hi all,

     

    Thank you for a very interesting discussion.

     

    About the query on why we did not introduce jQuery menu widgets in CC (version 13.0), it was because the jQuery menu module (specification) wasn't quite complete at that time.

     

    We definitely have a plan to integrate jQuery menu widget in Dreamweaver, but we are still working on a date for this one.

     

    Thanks,

    Preran

     
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    Jul 25, 2013 12:57 PM   in reply to Al Sparber

    I am neither playing nor being coy either. I work on several websites at one time and like functions that streamline my work. Dreamweaver is NOT FREE, it is quite expensive, and with free sources like wordpress, I would say YES, I do expect a lot for my hard earned money that I am paying to Adobe. Thank you.

     
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    Jul 25, 2013 1:25 PM   in reply to LoisReed

    You usually get what you pay for Like I said, Adobe (and Macromedia

    before it) has a very quantifiable history of being a great

    CSS/Code/Content editor, while being absolutely horrible at client-side

    tools (behaviors, widgets, menu systems, et al).

     

    Forewarned is forearmed.

     

    Good luck to you.

     
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    Jan 2, 2014 4:25 AM   in reply to madwebllc

    I have been using DW as well as teaching it at a college for years. I started with this program when it was Macromedia... I'm shocked by some of the discussion here.  I have been teaching web 1 (intro to HTML & DW), Web 2 (DW and CSS) and web 3 (CMS) for years. I have 100's of students of experience that MANY people - new, and experienced, are in need of quick and easy tools to accomplish their needs.  The learning curve is STEEP. and that hill takes time to climb. Let alone to get prepared for the next step - JavaScript, JQuery, PHP, etc. They even have to learn about servers, and domain names, and FTP etc. etc. Some people master Dreamweaver and the included FTP - and never move past it. They are amazing designers... but not developers.

     

    First - we had a navigation builder that allowed the same states for navigation as Flash has (up, over, down, etc.). This was a quick, fun, and easy way to build a navigation system. They removed that system - but they replaced it with (IMHO a much better option) Spry. I would not call Spry a failure... it was a quick and useful tool that made building navigation really fast - and set the need for modifying CSS, but not having to build it from scratch.

     

    Now - even the spry menu is gone. Tsk Tsk Adobe... You shouldn't remove a tool/function without replacing it when you ask people to spend money again to have an upgrade. I don't believe an upgrade should ever LOSE a function completely... I don't mind learning a new tool or better way... but to have things completely taken away? Yikes!  I'm glad we don't teach at the college using the CC version. I will hold back my other complaints here, but so far... CC has not made me the happiest - I keep running into road blocks.

     

    On the bright side... Edge Animate - super cool tool - a CSS/HTML 5 version of Flash... if you haven't tried it yet, then get into it and have some fun! And if you like to work with code - then the Edge CC Coding program is great too - unfortunately, my major  disappointment? The preview portion of it only works with the ONE browser I don't/won't use... Chrome - so that sucks.

     

    Anyway - I look forward to a resolution being found, and don't accept for one moment that it shouldn't be up to them to provide an upgraded tool... in their upgraded tool. If no upgrade to Spry is included here - then it should be left alone until one is figured out.

     

    Just my opinion.... and just as an FYI: I'm fairly savvy with JavaScript, and Jquery... but it doesn't mean that it doesn't take me more time to have to write it, or modify it, and when you have a lot of sites to complete, update, and manage... for clients who can't afford to pay as much... it's not feasible for me to always have to go there. I need DW to be my tool of choice. Sadly, I'm finding myself turning more and more towards WordPress for a quick and easy build... not a good sign when it is free and my software costs money.

     
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