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what kinds of stuff can be placed in a perspective grid?

Jun 26, 2013 5:16 PM

If not images, then what? And if I have a jpg image I want to place, how do I have to change it first? Thanks!

 
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    Jun 26, 2013 11:27 PM   in reply to doctorez

    The perspective grid works for any kind of vector data, not pixel data.

     

    Mylenium

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 2:25 AM   in reply to doctorez

    There’s a workaround:

    Draw a rectangle the same shape as your pixel image.

    Distort it in perspective.

    Copy the distorted rectangle and use it to distort the image with Envelope Distort > Make with Top Object.

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 3:13 AM   in reply to doctorez

    doctorez, Lutz, Steve,

     

    I wonder whether it is possible to do it based upon an Envelope with an undistorted Top Object:

     

    1) Create a rectangle the size of the image (without distorting it),

    2) Also select the image and Object>Envelope Distort>Make wit Top Object,

    3) Map the Envelope to the Perspective Grid.

     

    3) is instead of distorting in perspective with the Free Transform Tool, which can be done to the Envelope to see the distortion of the artwork live instead of applying a premade distortion.

     

    What say you?

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 6:42 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Object>EnvelopeDistort>MakeWIthMesh> 1 Row; 1 Column.

     

    JET

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 6:50 AM   in reply to JETalmage

    Thank you, James.

     

    I thought there must be a way. Does it also work with Top Object?

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 7:33 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Top Object is good enough for most things but if you want to make sure that the perspective foreshortening is 100% right, James’s method (Object>EnvelopeDistort>MakeWIthMesh> 1 Row; 1 Column) is as good as it gets.

     

    It is sometimes useful to include diagonal lines.

    If they remain straight after envelope distortion, the foreshortening is correct.

    If they don’t, you will need to juggle with the handles on the slanting edges.

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 8:37 AM   in reply to Steve Fairbairn

    Steve,

     

    Trying out a few cases, it seems that 1 row/column works like Top Object.

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 8:39 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    I use the method James describes. Works fine here for MANY things not just perspective.

     

    Note, the envelope also works for live text in instances where live text can't be distorted.

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 9:47 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Did you test it with diagonals?

     
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    Jun 27, 2013 12:17 PM   in reply to Steve Fairbairn

    I did, Steve. Even multiple diagonals.

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 2:19 AM   in reply to doctorez

    Screen Shot 2013-06-29 at 22.52.01.pngI'm trying to attach my carpet Picture to the perspective grid but it doesn't move to it in the left blue plane.

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 2:26 AM   in reply to [scott w]

    Scott, James,

     

    Did I understand it the right way, that the Envelope works for the Perspective Grid, as I presumed (and thought confirmed)?

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 2:33 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    The envelope DOES work with distort, transform, perspective etc. Just cant get it to move onto the perspective grid. What am i doing wrong?

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 2:39 AM   in reply to engilaird1

    engilard,

     

    As you can see, I thought it was confirmed that it was possible as I wondered about, but I have asked again. I was about to make a cross reference to your thread, but then we had the second cross posting. I am a bit slow in the update so I do not have the Perspective Grid myself.

     

    Someone?

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 2:47 AM   in reply to doctorez

    Screen Shot 2013-06-30 at 10.43.52.png

     

    I drew a rectangle onto the grid then envelope=>make with top object and the tacks mapped into the perspective rectangle but STILL unable to shift around the perspective grid.

    Suggestions please.

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 2:57 AM   in reply to engilaird1

    engilaird,

     

    Just to make sure: As I understood, you also tried with the 1 Row/Column Mesh envelope suggested in the other thread?

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 4:59 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Yes. And 4 default and 2. Won't map still.

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 8:55 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Scott, James,

     

    Did I understand it the right way, that the Envelope works for the Perspective Grid, as I presumed (and thought confirmed)?

     

    No. My reply was simply in response to your and Steve's suggestions of Make With Top Object in order to create an Envelope the same size as the selection, which I find needlessly cumbersome when the intention is to put the object in an Envelope that is the same size as the selection.

     

    The perspective behavior of the Free Transform tool (mousedown, Ctrl-Alt-Shift, drag) can distort a raster image contained in an Envelope. It doesn't work with Perspective Grid.

     

    JET

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 9:12 AM   in reply to JETalmage

    Thank you for the clarification, James.

     

    Alas, another non possibility.

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 9:24 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    engilaird1 posted the workaround for distorting a raster image to fit a Perspective Grid plane in post 15.

     

    1. Perspective Grid off. Draw a rectangle the size of the bounds of the selection.

    2. Perspective Selection Tool: Drag the rectangle to the active Perspective Plane.

    3. Black Pointer: Select the rectangle and the raster image. Object>Envelope Distort>Make With Top Object.

     

    The result is distorted so as to conform to the Perspective Grid, but it is no longer actually attached to the Perspective Grid. It's now just a regular Envelope object on the page. So the workaround is to use a rectangle as a "proxy" for the raster image while you are still moving things around. Apply the rectangle as an Envelope after you are sure you have it where you want it.

     

    JET

     
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    Jun 30, 2013 10:24 AM   in reply to JETalmage

    Ah, thank you, James.

     
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    Jul 1, 2013 3:48 AM   in reply to JETalmage

    so the raster cannot be on the perspective grid and still be "editable" with regards to the vector box it will be placed on. bummer. my client is always changing the box size and its a pain/timedown when having to edit 2 seperate parts of my artwork.

     
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