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Editing a video clip in PE11 - possible?

Jul 5, 2013 6:22 AM

Hi

 

I have no experience in editing video and I'd like to know if what we are trying to do is possible with Premiere Elements 11.

 

There is a song and videos for that song. The audio and video are seperate. Three musicians, each recorded and videod seperately. The main track is one musician, then there is a video of each of the other musicians and some extra videos of specific moments.

 

What we want to do is sync the videos and the audio and then basically cut and choose which parts of which videos we want for the clip. For example, let's say we synced the 1st video and we want the first 10 seconds from it. Then another 10 seconds from another video. I'm not sure how PE11 works, but we can't drag the 2nd video because it will be out of sync. We need to have both videos in sync and choose where to change (and change back, or to another video, etc.).

 

I imagine this should be possible and relatively basic... yes?

 

Thank you

 
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    Jul 5, 2013 7:17 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    clarni_lizki

     

    Given a single video clip and a single audio clip (unlinked to one another)...

     

    A useful technique for nudging the audio in place with the video is

     

    select the audio, hold down the Alt key (or Shift + Alt) of the computer main keyboard and tap the right or left arrow key one tap at a time

    Alt Key with 1 arrow key tap = 1 frame nudge

    Shift + Alt with 1 arrow key tap = 5 frame nudge

    But, what is coming across to me in your question (maybe right or wrong) is you are having problems adding/subtracting clips from the Timeline that you have already started to established. If that is the case, then hold down the Alt Key of the computer main keyboard as you move/drag your addition or replacement of Timeline content.

     

    Please review the above and let me know if I am interpreting correctly the core of what you are asking.

     

    Thanks.

     

    ATR

     
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    Jul 5, 2013 7:30 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    >no experience in editing video

     

    Here are some information links I've saved... not all pertain to your current question, but all will help you learn

     

    Online User Guide http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/index.html

    -Page to download current PDF http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-elements.html

     

    Importing Video http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1065281

    -and project settings http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1112086

     

    Saving & Sharing http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1137128

    -Sharing to DVD or BluRay http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1137645

    -Sharing for Movies http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1051093

    -Sharing for Computer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1058237

     

    Steve's Basic Training Tutorials... steps are the same for several versions

    -start at http://forums.adobe.com/thread/537685

    -and http://tv.adobe.com/search/?q=Premiere+Elements

    -be sure to click More Results at the bottom of the "tv" page

    -v11 http://www.amazon.com/Muvipix-Guide-Premiere-Elements-version/dp/14793 11200/

    -All http://www.amazon.com/Tricks-Adobe-Premiere-Elements-Muvipix-com/dp/14 51529724/

    -and http://forums.adobe.com/thread/498626

    -and http://prodesigntools.com/four-hours-free-video-tutorials-new-photosho p-elements-9-pse9.html

    -and http://prodesigntools.com/five-hours-free-tutorials-photoshop-and-prem iere-elements-7-and-8.html

     

    FAQ http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere_elements/premiere_elements_ faq

    TIPS http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere_elements/premiere_elements_ tips

    Another help site http://muvipix.com/ or http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/

     
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    Jul 5, 2013 10:48 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    If I am reading your proposed workflow correctly, you are talking about multi-cam editing, where you have first taken the full Video, and synced it to the full Audio. ATR's instructions will be very useful for that first step.

     

    Now, PrE does not have full Multi-Cam Editing, like PrPro does, but with a bit of work, and adjustments of a Clip's Opacity, it can be done.

     

    First, a Clip w/ 100% Opacity on a higher Video Track, will block out any Clip(s) on lower Video Tracks. The only way to see what is on a lower Video Track, is to lower the Opacity of the Clip on the higher Video Track, so that you can look "through" it.

     

    After the initial syncing of the full Video and Audio have been done, just drag the Clip that you would like to have (think of this as a second "angle") to a higher Video Track, about where you think you will want it. Lower that second angle Clip's Opacity to about 50%, so that you can see through it, to the full Video Clip below. This can be done with the little yellow "rubberband" in the Clip, if it is set to Opacity. The exact % is not that important, just so that you can see the full Video Clip below, and get a good idea of that second angle Clip, which will appear "ghosted" above. Now, Trim that second angle Clip, as needed, and then drag it around, nudging it into sync with the full Audio. When you have both Trimmed and placed that second angle Clip, return its Opacity back to 100% (very important). For a third angle, repeat the process. When I am doing this in PrE, I will use Video Track 2 for all of my second angle Clips, and Video Track 3 for all my third angle Clips.

     

    When you are done, you will have that full Video, with the synced full Audio, then the addtional angle Clips above. When their Opacity has been adjusted to 100%, no Video below them, will be seen - only the top Video Clip.

     

    Be sure to see ATR's instructions on using the modifier Keys, so that you do not affect the full Video, or full Audio Clips, which have already been synced. This is very important, and he has covered it well. It is too bad that PrE does not yet allow one to Lock Video and Audio Tracks, like PrPro does, as that would make life much easier for such tasks.

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jul 5, 2013 11:52 AM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Hunt,

     

    This user has said "no experience" in video editing, And, the classical multi camera editing workflow (workaround for Premiere Elements) might be an overkill.

     

    It just be the way that each of us is reading the inquiry. But, this looks like a one track operation to me...Video 1 for the video portion and Audio 1 for the audio portion. If the user wants to explore alternative choice for the video portion, the candidate for replacement could be placed on Video 2 directly above the Video 1 content and then the Video 1 content right clicked, Enable unchecked to take it out of view so that Video 2 replaced can be looked at with Audio 1.  Lowering the Video Opacity at the rubberband level or other is an alternative for getting rid of one video display to see another could prove more prone to user error.

     

    Although Premiere Elements does not have "locked" track feature, it does allow for the user to link or group the video and audio in the actual situation that I believe to exist for this user.

     

    More comments await further details from the clarni_lizki.

     

    ATR

     
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    Jul 5, 2013 11:56 AM   in reply to A.T. Romano

    You are correct, that the process is a bit more involved, but knowing of it, should let the OP determine if they wish to employ it for those angle-change shots. When one does it, they usually find that it took more time to write about it, than to employ it. Not as powerful as PrPro's Multi-Cam Editing, but one can get some good results, with just a bit more work.

     

    The Grouping of Clips can be beneficial, but I still wish that PrE would allow for the Locking of Tracks - so simple, so powerful, and so elegant.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jul 6, 2013 8:28 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    This is absolutely possible in Premiere Elements, Clarni.

     

    BTW, what model of camcorder(s) are you using to shoot your concert and what format and resolution of video do they shoot?

     

    Ideally, they're all the same model of camcorder or at least shoot video at the same format (eg, 1920x1080 AVCHD). Premiere Elements 11 does a very good job of mixing formats -- but needless to say, you're going to get the best results if you're not mixing high-def with miniDV with iPhone video.

     
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    Jul 6, 2013 8:35 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    Yes, PrE can do what you want, via either ATR's workflow, or mine.

     

    Now, if you have not yet bought a video editing program, you might want to take a look at Premiere Pro, which has a special function to do exactly what you want - Multi-Cam Editing. It will handle many separate Videos, and allow one to cut back and forth, with everything remaining in sync. Before, PrPro could only handle 4 Video Tracks, but that limit has been removed.

     

    The beauty of Multi-Cam is that you have ALL Video can be displayed on a separate monitor, and as you play, everything plays in sync. In a 4-Track setup (you can have 2, 3, 4 or more), you would just play the Timeline, and decide, for instance, that you want 10 sec. from Video A, followed by 3 sec. from Video B. In the individual monitors, you would make those Trims, and the resulting Clip, produced from each, would automatically go to the Master Timeline. Repeat, with each Video, as necessary. Because you can see everything on the monitors, you always know exactly what is available to you, and when.

     

    Now, PrPro is a much more powerful, and expensive program, than is PrE, but with the CC licensing, you sort of "rent" it, so the cost outlay can be less. You can do a trial of both PrE, and PrPro CC, and explore the full capabilities of each program. Multi-Cam is fully functional in the PrPro CC trial.

     

    This AdobeTV episode will give you an overview: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/digital-video-cs6/setting-up-multi-camera-se quences/

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jul 6, 2013 9:06 AM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    I completely agree, Bill. You CAN do what you want to do in Premiere Elements -- but it's infinitely easier in Pro, in which you only need sync up all of your video sequences once, and then move down the timeline choosing when to cut between them.

     

    With Premiere Elements, the process, as ATR indicates, is a bit more complicated, since you'll need to sync each clip you add manually.

     
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    Jul 6, 2013 10:54 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    clarni_lizki

     

    Thank you for the additional insights into the goals for your project. Hunt talks about my workflow, but prior remarks talked in generalities based on what I had read/understood of your details at your initial inquiry. So, here is my take based on what you have just written.

     

    You wrote:

    This is a music video clip. There are three musicians, each recorded and filmed seperately.

     

    By that do you mean each recorded and filmed separately at the same time pointed at the same action but at different camera angles and each sych'ed with perhaps a clap? That is my concept of the classic multi camera editing to which  applies a workaround in Premiere Elements.

     

    1. Stacking with sync with clap in the camera A, B, footage ..on Video 1, 2,.... (multi camera editing in Premiere Elements can get confusing when more than 2 cameras are involved)

    and

    2. Using keyframing the Opacity of Video 1 or 2 content to increase or decease the Opacity of one clip versus the other so that one or the other is the one viewed.

     

    In the above situation I have long opted for keyframing of the Opacity of the video track content as contrasted with cutting out video.

     

    If the above is the case then read no more for my point of view on this type of workflow.

     

    I am picking up that the above is not your case. But, it is rather a master on Video 1 (presumed with video and associated audio) and you replacing portions of it with portions from other videos which have been sync'd to special audio while in the project.

     

    Let me see if I am close to what you are asking with the following example you gave

    I can use an example to try to explain the whole thing. We have video A (VidA) which is 4 minutes and video B (VidB) which is 4 minutes. We want to use e.g. the first 10 seconds from VidA, then just to the next 5 seconds of VidB, then back to VidA. This is while both videos are synced with the seperate audio track.

     

    1. You import your Video A  and Video B clips and drag them to the Timeline.

    2. You get rid of any audio associated with the original and replace it with special audio which you nudge into sync with Alt or Shift +Alt and left or right arrow key.

    3. For each of Video A+new audio and Video+new audio, hold down the Shift Key and click on the video and audio sections of the clip so that both are selected at the same time. Right click anywhere in the highlight, select Link Audio and Video.

     

    4. Highlight Video A Clip, place the Timeline Indicator split clip tab to cut Video A Clip at 10 seconds in. Move the remaining out, moving it up to Video 2.

     

    5. Highlight Video B Clip, place the Timeline Indicator split clip tab to cut Video B Clip at 5 seconds in. Move the remaining out, moving it up to Video 2.

     

    6. Then line up next to one another

     

    Video A 10 seconds

    Video B 5 seconds

    Video A remainder (4 minutes minus 10 seconds)

     

    I thought about doing it with the Preview Window, lots of advantages, but none  when you are creating your in sync video audio within the program...great if you imported them with video audio already in sync and then incorporated the Preview Windows and the Project Assets thumbnail in a clip trimming and subclip regimen.

     

    Please review the above and let me know if this misinterprets your plan and wanted results.

     

    Lots of possibilities once we get in sync. I will think about this some more.

     

    Thanks.

     

    ATR

     
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    Jul 7, 2013 8:05 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    For ultimate control of Fades (In & Out), I would explore Keyframing Opacity changes over time.

     

    With the Fixed Effects, like Opacity, you can definitely alter that via the Keyframes, like with many other Effects.

     

    Steve Grisetti, our MOD here, has a very good Learning Series on Basic Keyframing, that will give one a real headstart, when learning Keyframing in PrE, which is an extremely powerful tool: http://www.muvipix.com/products.php?searchphrase=keyframing&btn.x=29&b tn.y=12

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jul 7, 2013 8:29 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    clarni_lizki

     

    Thank you for your detailed reply.

     

    I just wanted to acknowledge that I have seen it and am in the process of preparing a detailed reply to all your comments and questions in your post. It should be posted before the end of the day.

     

    Thank you for your follow up.

     

    ATR

     
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    Jul 7, 2013 7:42 PM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    clarni_lizki

     

    So much too communicate and how to do it. After thinking about this I decided first to go into an assortments of short how tos for procedures that I thought might be most helpful to you in how I understand your goals. After that, then we can talk about a unified plan for the overall task if necessary.

     

    1. The readout above the Timeline can be displayed as Frames instead of the timecode which for NTSC is typically 30 fps Drop-Frame Timecode. To change the display, go to Edit Menu/Project Settings/and change the Display Format to Frames. (The choices there are 30 fps Drop-Frame Timecode, 30 fps Non-Drop-Frames Timecode, and Frames.)

     

    2. To the left of the name of the video track is an filmstrip looking icon. (titled Set Video Track Display Style). You can toogle that to 4 different display styles for your Timeline content

    a. just a straight horizontal line across

    b. just one thumbnail with image at beginning

    c. just one thumbnail at the beginning and one thumbnail at end

    d. thumbnails with image across the entire clip

    On the audio side of things, to the left of the name of the audio track is a speaker looking icon. You can toogle that to 2 different audio display styles.

    a. just horizontal line across

    b. wave form across entire clip

     

    3. Overlays for clips are easy. It is written about it in the following Adobe document

    http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/WS9B8F8208-EAE8-4b4 9-A79B-9479B46A8981.html

    The key maneuver is to hold down the Ctrl key of the computer main keyboard as you do to make frames overlay. Ctrl for Windows and Cmd for Mac.

     

    Ctrl‑drag/Cmd-drag the clip from the Project Assets panel to the first frame you want to overlay. When the pointer changes to the Overlay icon, release the mouse.

     

    4. Fades in the sense of Transition between two clips as opposed to Fading in Fading out text in a Title file. Transitions are typically placed between clips that sit side by side on the same video track. For trimmed clips, these can be aligned Left Clip, Between Clips, or Right Clip.  But transitioning can also be done with first clip on Video 1 and the second positioned on the Video 2 for the Left Clip type of transition alignment or the Right Clip alignment, not Between Clips. But, consider...

     

    a. Clip 1 on Video 1 to which a Cross Dissolve video transition is placed at its end (Left Clip alignment). Let us say that the transition has a duration of 1 second (30 frames).

    b. Clip 2 on Video 2 (no transition applied) is positioned so that its first frame is directly above the half way mark of the 1 second transition.

    c. You could experiment with the amount of overlap.

    What does that look like transitioning wise?

     

    Or, what about holding down the Ctrl key of the computer main keyboard as you click on the video clip's rubberband in order to create Opacity keyframes that you can adjust...for the first clip, end of clip fade out Opacity, second clip fade in Opacity, and then experiment with overlapping the end frames of the first clip with the beginning frames of the second clip and adjusting the rubberband keyframes with your mouse cursor?

     

    I could post screenshots of all that if you have any interest in those approaches for what sounds like interest in video transitions when the two clips involved are on different tracks. If you did an overlay of content on Video 1 that would be another story. But then you would need cut edges to apply the transition (Left Clip, Between Clip, Right Clip).

     

    As I said just an assortment of thoughts, good or duds. Let us see.

     

    Looking forward to your progress. Please let me know if I wander from your planned workflow.

     

    Thanks.

     

    ATR

     
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    Jul 9, 2013 7:49 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    clarni_lizki

     

    Thanks for the follow up news of your progress. Sounding very good.

     

    Before I answer

    Is there a way to put a clip (by dragging with Ctrl), then moving it around the timeline (by mouse or by Alt or Alt+Shift and arrows), but having the original clip remain complete?

     

    Just some verifications...

    a. in this Timeline moves/changes, are you dealing with video clips, no still images involved in the overlay?

    b. and, when you say that you can recover the whole clip by dragging it out, is this just video track content, no audio linked to that video at that time of dragging it out?

     

    Thanks.

     

    ATR

     
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    Jul 9, 2013 6:48 PM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    clarni_lizki

     

    I am not completely sure that I have targeted your question, but I am about 95% sure.

     

    I believe that you have made a major advance in finding and using dragging out of the edges of the clips that exist after the clip overlay. I do not think I can improve on that at this time.

     

    But, there is another maneuver that you might want to work into your workflow if you have not already.

     

    Given you have a clip with duration 20 seconds and you have another clip 5 seconds that you want to overlay somewhere in the 20 second clip.

     

    a. Hold down the Ctrl key of the computer main keyboard and mouse click/drag the 5 second clip to overlay the frames that you think that you want to overlay in the 20 seconds clip, but do not release the mouse click on the drag. Instead, still holding down on the Ctrl Key and no release of the mouse click, use the mouse cursor to move the 5 seconds clip to the right and left over the 20 second clip. When you do, the monitor will display what is to the right and left of a possible overlay.

     

    b. When you decide that you have found the spot for the overlay, release the mouse click.

     

    c. But, if you cannot make up your mind about overlay location, instead of releasing the mouse click, continuing dragging the 5 second clip but this time up to Video 2 and then release the mouse click. That leaves things as is to give you more time to rethink your strategy.

     

    If you think that I did not understand the core of your question, please let me know and I will rethink the matter.

     

    Sounds like more and more great progress there. Keep up the good work.

     

    ATR

     
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    Jul 10, 2013 7:24 AM   in reply to clarni_lizki

    clarni_lizki

     

    Your video editing progress is very impressive. Good work and stick-to-it-tiveness.

     

    Thanks for the opportunity to be of assistance with your Premiere Elements workflow.

     

    Continuing success.

     

    ATR

     
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