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How do I export without re-encoding? [PrEl 11]

Jul 10, 2013 9:18 PM

I've been searching and having no luck finding an answer to this. Maybe I'm just not finding the right terms. Or maybe I'm missing something obvious. LOL! At any rate, hopefully someone can help me out.

 

I go through my original video files and cut out the bad bits and save individual short clips from that which I then use to build the movies. Years ago, I would use VirtualDub for this because it was fast and easy. But getting it to work with modern DSLR files is more hassle than I feel like doing. So I've been using PrEl for this initial step as well. The problem is, I can't see any way to just export the trimmed clips without re-encoding them. It's not a huge deal as the extra re-encode doesn't seem to cause any visible degredation. Still, though, it would be faster and cleaner to simply export the trimmed clips as is without the re-encoding like I did with VirtualDub. Only I can't figure out how to get PrEl to do so. Anyone know?

 

Thanks,

 

Michelle

 

*Waves at the oldies that were on here when I was back when PrEl first came out*

 
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    Jul 11, 2013 5:20 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    Like virtually all video editors, in Premiere Elements  you are not editing your original video. You are adding your video to a project and then you are outputting your finished, edited piece from that finished project. That virtually always involves re-encoding.

     

    The program can smart-render some formats (like DV-AVI), when your output specs match your project and source footage specs precisely. But this is not likely with your DSLR footage.

     

    On the other hand, there is little need. You will see virtually no reduction in quality from output video, when  your project is properly set up. But, more important, there is no reason your output video should be identical in specs to your source videoe.

     

    Your source video has been optimized for a specific purpose: To provide you with the maximum editable quality within its limited storage area.

     

    Likewise, your output video will be optimized for a specific purpose. What do you plan to do with your finished video? Add it to a DVD or BluRay disc? Post it online? Use it as source footage in another video project? There are output specs that are optimized for each of those uses -- the ideal size-to-quality ratio.

     
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    Jul 11, 2013 7:50 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    >No, I'm not (doing what Steve said re:project)

     

    Yes you are... putting one video on the timeline and marking in/out points to export (share) a new file is editing a project

     

    Premiere (Elements or Pro) does not alter your original file... the commands you enter in your project (in/out points, etc) simply tell Premiere what to do when you export to a new file... your original file is unchanged

     

    Some learning links

    Online User Guide http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/index.html

    -Page to download current PDF http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-elements.html

     

    Importing Video http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1065281

    -and project settings http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1112086

     

    Saving & Sharing http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1137128

    -Sharing to DVD or BluRay http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1137645

    -Sharing for Movies http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1051093

    -Sharing for Computer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1058237

     

    Steve's Basic Training Tutorials... steps are the same for several versions

    -start at http://forums.adobe.com/thread/537685

    -and http://tv.adobe.com/search/?q=Premiere+Elements

    -be sure to click More Results at the bottom of the "tv" page

    -v11 http://www.amazon.com/Muvipix-Guide-Premiere-Elements-version/dp/14793 11200/

    -All http://www.amazon.com/Tricks-Adobe-Premiere-Elements-Muvipix-com/dp/14 51529724/

    -and http://forums.adobe.com/thread/498626

    -and http://prodesigntools.com/four-hours-free-video-tutorials-new-photosho p-elements-9-pse9.html

    -and http://prodesigntools.com/five-hours-free-tutorials-photoshop-and-prem iere-elements-7-and-8.html

     

    FAQ http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere_elements/premiere_elements_ faq

    TIPS http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere_elements/premiere_elements_ tips

    Another help site http://muvipix.com/ or http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/

     
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    Jul 11, 2013 8:45 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    Again, unless you're planning to actually put the finished footage back into your camcorder for some reason, there's no reason to get back exactly what you put in. And what you get back depends on how you're going to use it. So it's unlikely that any of the major video editing software producers (Adobe, Apple, Sony, Avid, etc.) will be changing the way they work.

     

    But if you've found an app that will do what you need, that's all that matters!

     
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    Jul 11, 2013 8:56 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    MichelleCox wrote:


    I've found various other programs that will do what I want

     

    Which ones are they?

     

    Cheers,
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    Neale
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    Jul 11, 2013 9:53 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    Michelle,

     

    When I need to Export/Share to a Digital Intermediate file (DI's), I use Lagarith Lossless, or UT Lossless.

     

    Now, those files are compressed, but are visually lossless - however, their compression is not great, so the file sizes ARE large. This article goes into more detail: http://forums.adobe.com/message/3791571#3791571

     

    Now, that DOES require time to output (in my case, I am doing more editing, that it sounds like you are), so if you have a workflow, that will use Smart Transcoding, with the results that you desire, your way will likely save you time.

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jul 11, 2013 10:20 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    No stock response given, Michelle. And no apology necessary.

     

    You asked about Premiere Elements and we told you about Premiere Elements. And the reason it and pretty much every other video editor does what it does.

     

    But if you've found what you need, that's all that matters.

     
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    Jul 11, 2013 10:40 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    Michelle,

     

    I understand, and that is why I mentioned the files sizes.

     

    For me, I am often Trimming out material, that I know I will not use, to basically keep my Project, as clean, as is possible, or to round-trip my DI's from Premiere to another program, knowing that it will come back to Premiere for finishing.

     

    As I have tons of HDD space, the file sizes are not a big deal for me, but on others' systems, I can well imagine that they would be. Test a few of your files, to see if you can live with the file sizes. If not, that does present a problem.

     

    Good luck, and just wanted to throw out a possibility, that might, or might not work for you.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jul 11, 2013 10:48 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    >I've been using PrEl since the first version

     

    Well, you didn't SAY that before I posted my reply, so I gave information that I didn't know you didn't need

     

    What you did say made it SEEM like you didn't understand Premiere Elements editing very well... since you do, I'll bow out of the discussion

     
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    Jul 11, 2013 10:56 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    It might be worth looking at the software that came with your camera. In researching your question I've discovered that the software provided with my Sony Cybershot includes a video trim feature that trims clips without re-encoding. I've tested it on a Full HD clip and it worked fine (and fast).

     

    Cheers,
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    Jul 12, 2013 11:47 AM   in reply to MichelleCox

    This thread is two days old, which makes it almost dead!

     

    On a camcorder forum where the regulars are intent on lossless editing, there seems to be only three common solutions.

     

    Sony provides PlayMemories Home with (most?) of their video capable cameras and camcorders.

     

    Panasonic provides HDWriter with their camcorders.

     

    A relative newbie in the NLE market is http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tmsr4.html that seems to be very rare in the NLE world for it's goal of "smart rendering".  A recent example, and pleasant glimpse into China, can be watched here:  https://vimeo.com/69798481  The camera used was a Pansonic ZS30 - a pocket sized point and shoot!

     

    "Smart Rendering" limits a lot of features I enjoy in Premier Elements 11.  However, smart rendering may have a place in certain situations.

     

    Bill

     
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    Jul 12, 2013 12:18 PM   in reply to whsprague

    whsprague wrote:

     

    Sony provides PlayMemories Home with (most?) of their video capable cameras and camcorders.

     

    Yes that's what I installed when researching Michelles question. Very cleverly it didn't matter that I no longer had the original supplied software installed. So long as the camera was connected, the latest version installs without problem and then updates itself for camera specific features! It's quite a nifty media organizer as well (although I'll be sticking with Elements Organizer).

     

    [EDIT] Once installed you don't need the camera connected to use it's features. So you if you know someone with a Sony camera you can borrow for a while ....

     

    Cheers,
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    Neale
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    Jul 12, 2013 2:14 PM   in reply to nealeh

    nealeh wrote:

     

    whsprague wrote:

     

    Sony provides PlayMemories Home with (most?) of their video capable cameras and camcorders.

     

    ......... It's quite a nifty media organizer as well (although I'll be sticking with Elements Organizer).

     

     

    It has a couple unique features PrE does not have.  Besides lossless editing, it can export media back to your camera so that, with the right cord, the camera can be a media player for any TV.  Pansonic's software is similar.   Third, they both will generally run well on weaker PCs that struggle with PrE.

     

    My pattern is to use the camera specific software for the first transfer of all my photo and vidoe files to my computer.  Then I put them in Lightroom from the computer HDD. (Yes, video too.)  It adds a step, but I like having the benefit of the few unique features, especially the very fast lossless editing in the camera provided edtiors. 

     

    Bill

     
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