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Can one crop a movie with Premiere Elements 9

Aug 14, 2013 12:40 PM

I want to crop a bit from the left and a bit from the right of a movie [not equal amounts].

In Photoshop it is easy, but in Premiere Elements 9 Trim and Crop just appear to zoom in.

I just want to be able to remove without rescaling unattractive parts.

 

Stupidly being new to video as it is in Photoshop I just assumed [always dangerous] tht would be possible.

 

Ideally I do not want the result to be rescaled and suffer a loss in quality. Ideally I would like this then to be centered.

I can live with a black border where I removed the offending edges.

 

There seems to be no way for the user to determine how much lefrt, right , top and bottom.

 

sorry if I posted this in the pro section but there seems to be no forum for Premeiere Elements. And no support or manuals!

 

I am happy to buy the upgrade to Premiere Elements 11 if that can do it.

 

Any help much appreciated!

 

Peter

 
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    Aug 14, 2013 1:43 PM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger
     
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    Aug 14, 2013 1:47 PM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    I'll move it there for you.

     

    Thanks,

    Kevin

     
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    Aug 14, 2013 1:57 PM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    >no support or manuals!

     

    Help-and-Tutorials http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1275830

     
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    Aug 14, 2013 2:04 PM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    Peter,

     

    You can apply the Effect>Crop, and adjust it to just the Left & Right (0% on Top & Bottom).

     

    Now, if you have adjusted the Crop, with an unequal reduction from one side vs the other, you can "center" your Cropped Frame in the Video Frame, by adjusting the Fixed Effect>Motion>Position to center it.

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Aug 15, 2013 7:20 AM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    Once you have applied the Crop Effect, and with the Clip Selected, go to the FX tab, to expose all Effects. Twirl open the Crop Effect (little triangle next to "Crop"), to reveal the adjustments. There, you can click on the % window and type a value, or click+scrub it, to change the %.

    PrE11_Crop_Effect.png

    Note: screen-cap is from PrE 11.

     

    Hope that helps, and good luck,

     

    Hunt

     

    Message was edited by: Bill Hunt - Added "Note"

     
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    Aug 14, 2013 7:09 PM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    Peter,

     

    About your pre-installed Premiere Elements and serial number. Please check the paperwork for the computer purchase to see if you have documentation that you should have an installation disc for this product as well as others on your computer. Look at the fine print.

     

    But to the here and now...

    When to use Video Effects Clip versus Crop....

    The closest answer that I have come to that is from the Premiere Elements Effect Reference document

    http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/WS4B8135DA-083C-42e b-B09E-65070ECBC889.html#WS44DE71A2-B004-4103-BD28-54BB1BB42A27

     

    Excerpt from that...

    Clip (Windows only)

     

    The Clip effect trims rows of pixels off the edges of a clip and replaces the trimmed areas with a specified background color. If you want Adobe Premiere Elements to automatically resize the trimmed clip to its original dimensions, use the Crop effect instead of the Clip effect

    Left, Top, Right, Bottom
    Crops each edge of the clip separately.
    Fill Color
    Specifies the color that replaces the trimmed areas. The default color is black.
    Units
    Sets the units specified by the sliders, either in pixels or the percentage of the frames. Click the Setup button at the right of the effect name to set units.

     

    #

    Crop

    The Crop effect trims rows of pixels from the edges of a clip and, if you select the Zoom option, automatically resizes the trimmed clip to its original dimensions. Use the slider controls to crop each edge of the clip separately. You can crop by pixels or clip percentage.

     

    I have underlined a part in Clip description which probably addresses some of the questions on this. I can see the Clip Effect being handy for photographers doing a video presentation and wanting to put a colored border around their photos on the Timeline.

     

    I would suggest that you take a look at the Premiere Elements 11 Help PDF. I think it is great for getting started and no added expense.

    http://helpx.adobe.com/pdf/premiere-elements_reference.pdf

     

    As for you asking questions...please do not hesitate to ask the smallest or largest questions. We all learn from the Q& A. Premiere Elements is a continuing learning experience for all levels of users.

     

    ATR

     
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    Aug 15, 2013 7:19 AM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    Peter,

     

    I owe you an apology. Though you clearly stated PrE 9 in your post's title, I did not make note of that, until ATR replied to you. My screen-caps were from PrE 11. The parameter adjustments are the same, but getting to that point is different. Sorry about that.

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Aug 15, 2013 9:51 AM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Hunt,

     

    Not sure of any misunderstanding here. But, since you mentioned me, let me make it clear concerning my references to versions in my post 10 in this thread.

     

    Clearly understood that Peter is using Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1. Moving to Premiere Elements 11 in the future was a side thought from Peter.

     

    The excerpt on Clip and Crop description was meant to be a generalized one, relating to versions 9.0/9.0.1 or 11.

     

    The suggestion to check out the Premiere Elements 11 Help PDF was for an overview for contemplation before taking on the version 9.0/9.0.1 to 11 interface changes.

     

    ATR

     
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    Aug 15, 2013 2:47 PM   in reply to A.T. Romano

    Thanks for the clarification.

     

    It was I, who had missed Peter's version of PrE, and I did not pick that up, until I saw a post of yours later.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Aug 15, 2013 3:54 PM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    Sorry about the speedlights. While I know the name Bowens, and know that they have been around for many years, I am unfamiliar with them. I started with Ascors and two Rollei studio units, then moved to Speedotron, when Ascor was rolled into their line up. Other than a Norman 4000WS system (Speedotron did not have that much power back then), that is all I have ever used, other than a handful of my Nikon Speedlights for tiny jobs. Some of my Speedotrons have been around the world a couple of times, and other than scratches on their paint, still keep working.

     

    Good luck, and let us know when you get things sorted out.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 9:49 AM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    Peter,

     

    You wrote

    My confusion was if I don't select zoom doing a Crop, then what is the difference between that and clip?

     

    One aspect of this to consider as I see it. Given that you have a clip and you apply the Clip effect to it. Using the % choice, you trim rows of pixels. I see no way to escape getting a "color" fill in the areas where the pixels were removed. I see no option in Clip Setup for "no color fill". The color fill is great if you want a colored border around your image. But, if the "Clipped" color filled image is placed on Video 2, the Video 1 image will not show. You could think about applying Chroma Key Effect to get the color fill to transparency.

     

    Clip Effect

     

    ClipEffect.JPG

    In the above, I placed a copy of the original on Video 1. But, all you can see is the Clip Color Filled image. This would be the case if the Color Fill were black since this black would represent the color black and not the black that Premiere Elements uses to represent transparency.

     

    Now if I took the same photo, applied the Crop Effect, and set the % settings of Crop to the same values as Clip, I would get the same look but with a black border. But this black would represent transparency. This will allow me the alternative of placing some sort of background on Video 1 which would show through the transparency in Video 2 content.

     

    CropEffect.JPG

    The above is shown without putting anything on Video 1.

     

    The Crop, unlike the Clip, Effect offers the Zoom so that the cropped image fills the screen, leaving no black borders. The following is what the Crop example above looked like after I put a check mark next to Zoom and did a little settings tweeking.

     

    ZoomTweeking.JPG

    And, finally...this is what Clip Effect looked like when I left the Clip settings as is and scaled away the color fill in the

    Edit Mode Monitor.

     

    ClipScaling.JPG

     

    The above is from a Premiere Elements 11 NTSC DV Standard project on Windows 7 64 bit.

     

    ATR

     
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    Aug 16, 2013 1:37 PM   in reply to Chucky-Tiger

    Peter,

     

    That 9.0.1 Update for Premiere Elements 9 is stilll the latest, a patch of sort at the time.

     

    Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1 was particularly prone to display card error messages. The remedies for that were/are:

     

    a. Assure that you have the latest video card driver according to the web site of the manufacturer of the video card...

    if that does not get rid of the display card error message

    b. Delete the BadDrivers.txt file.

     

    Windows 7 or 8 64 bit

    Local Disc C

    Program Data

    Adobe

    Premiere Elements

    9.0

    and in the 9.0 Folder should be the BadDrivers.txt file that you delete.

    Make sure that you have Folder Options Show Hidden Files, Folders, and Drives active so that you can see that path.

     

    Hopefully, you will never get that message and not need any of these remedies.

     

    ATR

     
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    Sep 16, 2013 5:32 PM   in reply to A.T. Romano

    Very helpful. Is there a way to change the default values for the clip and crop tools? I need to apply one or the other to hundreds of clips and changing the values each time is becoming a pain. Premiere Elements 10 won't let me select multiple clips and apply a crop all at once unless I'm applying the default values. I'm getting a thin line of distortion across the bottom of some captured DV video and need to crop only that but on every clip.

     
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    Sep 16, 2013 5:56 PM   in reply to jillbazeley

    jillbazeley

     

    I am not sure what will work with your particular situation, but here are some things to experiment with. Let us see what happens.

     

    Rather than cropping, would a "gentle scale" serve the purpose? You can do a scale of width with height or scale with one or the other by unchecking "Uniform Scale" in version 9.0/9.0.1.

     

    You could crop one and then select that one, Edit Menu/Copy, select the others, and Edit Menu/Paste Attributes (but this will copy all attributes not just the crop.

     

    Once you crop, you can right click the Crop Panel and select copy and apply that to another clip in its Property Palette, but I do not think this is going to be a popular more than one at a time route. I need to experiment with that idea some more.

     

    Please check out the above as I re-think this.

     

    Thanks.

     

    ATR

     
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    Sep 17, 2013 5:46 PM   in reply to A.T. Romano

    Thanks very much for your help! The copy/paste attributes method worked perfectly since the crop was the only attribute.

     
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    Sep 17, 2013 5:57 PM   in reply to jillbazeley

    jillbazeley

     

    Thanks for that follow up with the good news that copy/paste attributes approach worked for you.

     

    Please do not hesitate to ask if you have any further questions about your Premiere Elements workflows.

     

    ATR

     
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