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Trying an Image Number

Aug 26, 2013 11:37 AM

Tags: #import #images #framemaker_9 #auto_numbering

My Auto Numbering Image Format is working in 3 of my 12 chapers..  and it does not successfully work upon import, but it shows up with the same rules when double checked from FM  to FM. 

 

Any one have this problem

Any ideas

 
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    Aug 26, 2013 12:13 PM   in reply to TWAlex

    > ... working in 3 of my 12 chapers ...

     

    That sounds like the numbering properties are set to reset paragraph numbering in the malfunctioning chapters.

     

    Check, in each chapter file: Format > Document > Numbering [ Paragraph ]

    <*> Continue Numbering ...

    [ Set ]

    Check all the other properties while you're at it.

     

    Then in the book file, select each component (chapter) file, right click

    Numbering

    and set all properties to

    <*> Read from File

    [ Set ]

     

    Now if you having local problems with the autonum, it becomes a question of how you are implementing the captions. if you have more than one AN para in the same anchored frame, it doesn't work properly.

     
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    Aug 27, 2013 5:46 AM   in reply to TWAlex

    Another way that component files (chapters) can end up with broken sequence numbers is if the Numbering properties of the Paragraph Format aren't identical from file to file.

     

    For example, chapter1.fm might have para fomat "Caption" auto-numbered as:

    [ C:Figure\ <n+> ]

    but chapter7.fm might have it as:

    [ Figure\ <n+> ]

    These would be incrementing two different counters.

     
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    Aug 29, 2013 9:39 AM   in reply to TWAlex

    Perhaps if you posted examples of the autonumbering format used in your Paragraph desiger for when a) it is working and b) when it is not, then there may be a better understanding of what is going on.

     

    There have been no autonumber counter issues in FM9.

     

    If you are using the matrix method for the counters, check to see if there is an intervening reset at some parent level heading.

     
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    Aug 30, 2013 10:00 AM   in reply to TWAlex

    You might want to consider using the same numbering for figures and

    tables to help keep things simpler. See this excellent document for

    details: "The Case for Simple Numbering"

    http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/nonum.html

     
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    Aug 30, 2013 11:09 AM   in reply to TWAlex

    It looks like this is a bug. I can duplicate the beahviour in FM11:

     

    Fig_num_AFrame.png

     

     

    I might add that including multiple text frames with the autonumbers in the same AFrame is a might unusual construct.

     

    You can work around this by having only a *single* text frame with a counter in the AFrame, use multiple AFrames and/or use the Figure/Table paratags outside of the AFrame.

     

    You can also use a table structure to insert multiple AFrames and Text frames to keep them together.

     
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    Aug 30, 2013 11:18 AM   in reply to Arnis Gubins

    Interestingly, in FM8, the beaviour is that the autonumber counter in subsequent text frames (within an AFram) is reset back to "1".

     

    Fig_num_AFrame_FM8.png

    Looks like the rule is that FM only auto-increments the first textframe within an AFrame.

     

    @Alex,

     

    To get your autonumbering tto work properly, you're going to have to adjust the contents of your AFrames so that there is only one textframe with an autonumber within each AFrame.

     
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    Aug 30, 2013 12:14 PM   in reply to Arnis Gubins

    > Looks like the rule is that FM only auto-increments the first textframe within an AFrame.

     

    That would be consistent with my experience (up through FM7.1). As I said above "... it becomes a question of how you are implementing the captions. if you have more than one AN para in the same anchored frame, it doesn't work properly."

     

    All of our illustration captions are an auto-num para, in a borderless table, within a text frame, within an anchored frame. We make it a strict policy to have only one such para per anchored frame.

     

    If one must have multiple AN captions within a single AF, a work-around for this would be to create a Reference Page, named, say "Captions", that might be a 3- or 4-column layout. Create a small font paragraph def named, say, "Numbered.Ref", used only on that page. These will auto-number reliably. The actual Body captions would be cross-references to those, using a

    Definition of, perhaps [ Figure\ <$paranumonly>.\ <$paratext> ].

     
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    Aug 30, 2013 12:04 PM   in reply to TWAlex

    @Alex,

     

      >It also will not work from one text frame to another outside of an AFrame.

     

    That is absolutely the way it is supposed to be. If you randomly place a text frame outside of the main flow, then the autonumbering is completely independent (i.e. it's not going to work!). An Anchored frame, by definition, is part of the flow and consequently a textframe within that Anchored frame behaves as part of the flow and will number correctly. Only when you have mutliple text frames within that anchored frame, does the autonumbering of the second and subsequent textframes not behave properly, i.e. they are ignored. This is probably is "as designed" and not really a bug on thinking about this some more - it should be clearly documented though.

     

    For the figures, simply place the Figure caption paratag before or after your anchored frame. Set your "Keep with" properties in the paratag appropriately and they will stay together.

     

    You mention "Table Frames" - no such thing (unless you're putting a table inside of a text frame inside of an anchored frame - which is not the right way to do it!). Use the Table Title option in your table format to setup the counters in the TableTitle paratag properly for tables.

     

    You seem to be overtly complicating a very simple, standard construct.

     
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    Aug 30, 2013 2:01 PM   in reply to TWAlex

    All I want to do is put in
    F:Figure <$chapnum>-<n+> in the Image Frames

    and

    T:Table <$chapnum>-<n+>  in the Table Frames

     

    It sounds like you may be unfamiliar with using a single-cell table with title to hold image and caption. See sample photo for instructions:

    One-cell-graphic-sample.png

     
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