It's 2013, Premiere Pro CC is out, and is more "Final Cut Pro" than ever (thanks Adobe), but there are still some basic things that need to be fixed. This is a DOOZY!...
With DSLR media being used pretty much everywhere, the inability to created trimmed projects using Project Manager for H.264 clips (and GoPro clips, and more!) is simply insane. Seriously?
Help me Adobe.... please...
If I recall correctly, in FCP, I had to transcode the DSLR footage using Log and Transfer to create new video files in ProRes, an intraframe codec. Video using an intraframe codec could then be Media Managed, or "trimmed." In order to trim Long GOP based footage in Premiere Pro, you must also transcode it. I like to transcode footage in Prelude.
You can make a feature request for managing projects containing Long GOP footage: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish
I agree with Jesse.
This goes along with the fact that Prelude has to transcode to make subclips instead of just slicing up an existing file. I know that long GOP is a hassle, but it should still be possible by backing up the beginning to the previous full frame and moving out to the next full frame at the end.
If we could ingest clips that way, and use Project Manager to trim projects that way, it would be a lot neater.
I agree too. It would be awesome to have the ability to media manage Long GOP footage. However, you also pointed out it's shortcoming and the reason why it's not ideal. It's not very accurate because of the very nature of the codec.
Well, Kevin, I am a bit of a selfish guy at times so if you wanted to start with my all I-Frame footage just for practice, it would be OK with me.
But seriously, the solution for both Prelude and Premiere Pro is to just add between 1 and 2 seconds of handles. People ought to have handles anyway, right?
That would certainly take care of the archiving issues of Project Manager, and as long as we all know that the subclips would have handles, even my all I-Frame footage, we could deal with that. The all I-Frame would get one second on each end and the long GOP would get one second plus whatever it took to get to the begining or end of a group.
Kevin (that is your name right? not Sanjay or Navtesh? I'm just curious if you're American or an tech from India... no that it makes a difference )
I'm impressed someone from Adobe got back to me so quickly, so thank you.
I understand the nature of the codec, etc, but the fact is one today's most widely-used video formats is not able to be properly archived. There was a time when H.264 couldn't be edited natively, but that time is over. I'm confident that if Apple and Adobe can figure out how to let us create massive H.264 projects full of trims, transitions and effects, you guys can figure out how to get it to trim & media manage itself.
Thanks for the feature request link. I googled "adobe feature request" and got nothing, just this adobe forum with people mentioning that term.
Looking forward to the next CC update... including project manager compatibility with all formats right?!...
Actually, Kevin works right across the San Francisco Bay from where I live. So yes, he is here in the USA.
You will occasionally get some answers around here from people with Indian names, but we are happy to have them on the forums.
The conversation about how to deal with the various codecs has been going on for some time, and the more people who request the feature, the more likely they will get it done. I don't like to say that the squeeky wheel gets the grease, but pretty much? It does!
I know they are thinking about it because of some of the comments I have seen and emails I have received. It appears to be fairly complicated, but personally, I think it is well worth the effort.
I would like to be able to ingest subclips from Prelude without transcoding (I don't use Prelude because it is useless to me without this feature). Once ingested, if I only use part of a clip, I want it trimmed in the Project Manager to just the footage I might need in the future if I have to make minor adjustments. And yes, that includes handles. So if handles solve part of the problem, that's fine.
Ha! Just checking. I actually get some of my best tech support from our Indian friends at Adobe. Although I had to draw the line the 10th time I was asked to "create a new user account and see if the problem persists". That never works.
The wheels are squeaking, so bring on the grease!
Also I fooled all you guys! My name is actually Sanjay Gupta and I'm from Bangalore, not California...