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How to export file as ProRes (or best broadcast option)  from PremierePro on PC w/ win 7

Sep 10, 2013 6:30 PM

Tags: #file #for #video #pro #premiere #export #broadcast #codec #quicktime #prores

I am trying to submit a PSA to a local network and they want a digital download preferably as ProRes. I have not been able to find that codec as an option and see that it may only be available on a Mac. Time and money are both issues and I just want to get this done. If ProRes is not an option with Premiere Pro or Media Encoder, then what is the next best quicktime/mov option for broadcast? I don't know the difference between the listed option in MediaEncoder.

 

Any mindshare with steps to take and options would be much appreciated. Thanks for reading this.

 
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    Sep 10, 2013 7:21 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    Ask them if they will accept a Hi Bitrate H264 File.

     

    Either .mov or MP4.

     
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    Sep 10, 2013 8:50 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    DNxHD in the MXF wrapper would probably be the best choice - quality wise.

     
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    Sep 11, 2013 7:48 AM   in reply to keaproductions

    QuickTime is a outdated and buggy container, so I never use or recommend it.  That leaves AVI and MXF as the containers of choice for I-frame media, which may not be necessary here but will usually provide higher quality than interframe compression.

     

    For AVI you can write Uncompressed, lagarith or UT, all of which are lossless and will provide the very best quality.  But Uncompressed will be quite large, and the others will require the TV station to install those codecs, so they may not be the best choice.

     

    Which brings us back around to DNxHD in the MXF wrapper.  It's an excellent option quality wise, and is an industry standard format.

     
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    Sep 11, 2013 2:19 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Reality is Broadcasters dont broadcast master files so it would be up to them if they were prepared to do a transcode for the "client".

     

    I would doubt it because TVC delivery is often via a server.

     

    That why I sugested "ask the broadcaster" what they will accept.

     
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    Sep 11, 2013 7:51 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    Hi keaproductions,

    If you must output ProRes from Windows, check out Telestream Episode: http://www.telestream.net/episode/features.htm

     

    Thanks,

    Kevin

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 7:49 AM   in reply to keaproductions

    what does DNxHD stand for in the MXF?

     

    DNxHD is a codec on par with ProRes, but available for both Windows and Macs.  MXF is the next generation container format replacing both AVI and MOV.

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 8:28 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    .....yeah "Telestream"......a program that does what Adobe SHOULD DO....considering its cost.

    .......maybe they will even sell it to you on a monthly " subscription" basis....ya know, like the Sopranos crew did with pizza parlors !!!!........AAAAY!!!!......OHHHHHH!!...........

    ........FUGGETABOUTIT !!!!!!!........

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 8:58 AM   in reply to JFPhoton

    I use ffmpeg.  It's free.

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 9:58 AM   in reply to JFPhoton

    Hi JFPhoton,

    Though Episode can do this, I don't know of any NLEs that can output ProRes from a Windows machine. I'm sure it's not a trivial task. If you really want this, please file a feature request: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

     

    In the mean time, check out DNxHD.

     

    Thanks,

    Kevin

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 12:29 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    Avid Codecs 2.3.7 - DNxHD (pc or mac) / 'virtually lossless'

    http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/en423319

     

    All you need to know about encoding DNxHD by Fuzzy Barsik:

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/5331048#5331048

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 12:35 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    ....which version of PPro are you using ?...its important vis a vis the DNxHD.

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 12:52 PM   in reply to JFPhoton

    CC7 can encode DNxHD in an MXF wrapper, earlier versions can't.

    (No need to keep secrets)

     

    What's New in Adobe Media Encoder CC

    Support for Avid DNxHD assets

    http://helpx.adobe.com/media-encoder/using/whats-new-media-encoder.htm l#id_38227

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 1:30 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    Google is your best friend:

    http://www.ffmpeg.org/

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 1:55 PM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    .....earlier versions of PPro CAN edit DNxHD files that are in the "Quicktime" wrapper....which have the.MOV file extension. Although that codec can be downloaded from Avid for free....it has some drawbacks. Being Quicktime...it triggers a 32bit process that does not allow PPro to operate entirely in its native 64bit environment. However, these DNxHD files DO edit MUCH more smoothly than the native AVCHD,or similar, highly compressed files from the camera.

    .....the BEST solution is to have PPro CCloud, which NOW can edit ,or, export DNxHD in the .MXF wrapper, which is entirely 64 bit !!! Simply download from Avid the free .MXF codec onto your PC....then it will show up as an export codec within PPro CCloud......

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 2:00 PM   in reply to JFPhoton

    .....the BEST solution is to have PPro CCloud, which NOW can edit ,or, export DNxHD in the .MXF wrapper, which is entirely 64 bit !!! Simply download from Avid the free .MXF codec onto your PC....then it will show up as an export codec within PPro CCloud......

    An excellent set of new features in CC7 that require

    maintaining a subscription to Creative Cloud.

     

    Whether that is the BEST solution depends on the user.

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 2:04 PM   in reply to joe bloe premiere

    ....i made a mistake......Adobe Media Encoder CCloud ALREADY HAS the necessary DNxHD .MXF 64 bit codecs installed.....along with presets.....no need to go to Avid to download anything......that was the OLD way !!!

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 3:54 PM   in reply to JFPhoton

    Roger that!

     

    From the link in Post 20:

    "Adobe Media Encoder supports the import and export of

    Avid DNxHD assets without having to install additional codecs."

    http://helpx.adobe.com/media-encoder/using/whats-new-media-encoder.htm l#id_38227

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 4:56 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    keaproductions wrote:

     

    Thanks, Kevin. It probably is worth asking adobe to consider this since I'm not the first to ask. I saw threads from all the way back to 2011 and still no resolution

     

    Hi keaproductions,

    By all means, make a feature request for it. Here's the link: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

     

    Thanks,
    Kevin

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 8:06 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    A Creative Cloud subscription means you're using the CC version, which includes DNxHD export as per reply #25.

     

    (there is no such thing as "CC7").

     
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    Sep 12, 2013 10:26 PM   in reply to keaproductions

    ....you seem to be confused as to which version you are using......you keep saying "CS 6"...that is NOT the Creative Cloud version.  Only the CCloud version supports the DNxHD in the MXF wrapper.....not CS6......I believe.

     
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:29 AM   in reply to JFPhoton

    Unfortunately all those (including myself) that brought ‘Premiere CS6’ have been royally shafted by Adobe with their complete abandonment of the software and it seems they are only updating ‘Premiere CC’.

    All of these features should have been in CS6 but instead were only included in creative cloud leaving all those who don’t want subscription base software feeling screwed over after paying thousands of dollars for CS6, it seems even the bug fixes are only going to the cloud service software.

     
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    Sep 13, 2013 4:33 PM   in reply to Dave Merchant

    Dave Merchant wrote:

    (there is no such thing as "CC7").

     

    I got the term 'CC7' from Todd Kopriva.

    I guess it is shorthand (without PrPro and the parentheses).

     

    "The 'CC' part of the name is a branding decision; it's somewhat

    different than a real version number. You'll note that we always

    use phrasing like "After Effects CC (12.0)", "Premiere Pro CC (7.0)",

    and so on, just like we always have done with CS6 and before:

    "After Effects CS6 (11.0.2)", "Premiere Pro CS5 (5.0.4)".

    The version number in all of these cases is the part in parentheses."

     

    Post 920. Todd Kopriva

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/5369946#5369946

    ¯\(°_o)/¯

     
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    Sep 13, 2013 7:29 AM   in reply to Dave Merchant

    A Creative Cloud subscription means you're using the CC version, which includes DNxHD export as per reply #25.

    Just to clarify, having a CC subscription means you may run the CC version or any earlier version that is covered. So a CC subscriber can run CS6 suite - and some do. Most/almost all CC subscribers run CC, with the notable exception of needing Encore CS6.

     
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:30 PM   in reply to BigglesKDH

    it seems even the bug fixes are only going to the cloud service software.

     

    That's not correct.  CS6 recently saw both the 6.0.4 and 6.0.5 updates to fix some bugs.  You just won't get new features on the old version, and that's SOP for any company.

     

    You want new features, you buy the new version.

     
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:48 PM   in reply to BigglesKDH

    ..it seems even the bug fixes are only going to the cloud service software.

     

    To expand on Mr. Jim's post...

     

    Adobe Creative Suite 6 FAQ

    http://www.adobe.com/products/cs6/faq.html

     

    Under: "Upgrade eligibility, pricing, and purchasing options"

    "Adobe will continue to make Creative Suite 6 available as a perpetual

    software license, and will provide bug fixes and security updates

    as necessary. All of the CS6 suite editions and individual products

    continue to be available for purchase by Electronic Software Delivery

    (ESD) on Adobe.com as well as through select retailers.

    Volume licensing for these products is also available

    through Adobe Authorized Resellers worldwide."

     

    "We plan to sell Creative Suite 6 for use

    on supported platforms indefinitely."

     
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    Sep 13, 2013 4:33 PM   in reply to BigglesKDH

    BigglesKDH wrote:

    ...shafted by Adobe with their complete abandonment of the software and it seems they are only updating ‘Premiere CC’.

    There is also a bug fixed release of After Effects CS6 in the works:

     

    BTW, a new After Effects CS6 update is coming soon

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/5596038#5596038

    (post 223)

     

    "We should have this out in September."

    -Todd Kopriva

     
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