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Robert Eckerlin
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V12 Panorama: Wrong time - Please make it easy to use the Organizer

Oct 20, 2013 2:17 AM

When performing with V12 my first Panorama Merge, the resulting panorama Merge got the wrong time assigned (in V8, I did not encounter that problem). With V12, the two source jpeg photo files that were merged into the panorama have a timestamp of 4/5/2013 12:59. However the resulting panorama jpeg file has a timestamp of 4/5/2013 10:59. This result in one additional manual operation, that i must perform after completion of the Panorama Merge: I must correct the time.

 

I am not sure how that time difference of two hours happened. Is it because I am in Switzerland, where we have still the Summer time and are ahead by two hours from Greenwhich Mean Time?

 

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I have a kind request for the next Version of PSE: avoid to make it difficult and painfull to use the PSE Organizer in conjunction with Photomerge Panorama. Today, without technical reason/merit, use of the PSE Organizer in conjunction with Photomerge Panorama is extremely painful and inefficient. For each result of a Panorama Merge, I have to do all of the following and that is very inefficient (especially with large catalogs) and painfull:

  1. I must find within the Organizer bin the result of the Photomerge (to do that, I typically need to switch the Photo Bin into Import Batch sequence...and then later on switch back to a more reasonable sequence)
  2. I must verify and then correct manually the time of the resulting photomerge file
  3. I must determine which tags were assigned to the individual component/source files, navigate  within my large Tag structure to find the tags,  and then assign manually to the photomerge result the Tags of the source photos
  4. I must deternmine in which Album(s) the individual component/source files were included, navigate within my large Album hierarchical structure to find the Albums and then include manually the photomerge result into the same Album(s) as the source photo. Then I have to move the photomderge result to the right location within Album Sequence.
  5. I must make sure, that the resulting jpeg file is stored in the same folder as the source photos.

 

 

 

All that is a real horror. I am sure, that all opf us (both from Adobe and from the PSE fan community) want to make it easy to use the Organizer.

 

Ideally, I would like to have (one? or multiple distinct/selective?) sticky options (in the Photomerge dialog pannel? in Preferences? at another location?) that would do all the above automatically for me.

 

Of course, I understand, that other PSE users will sometimes not like (as I also sometimes do not like) to have the same tags/Albums associations for the resulting photofile as for the compoenent/source files. But It is so much easier to remove selectively one or more Tag/Album association from a photo then to search a large Tag/Album Hierarchy for the correct Tags/Albums and then associate these Tags/Albums with the Photomerge Result.

 
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    Oct 20, 2013 6:45 AM   in reply to Robert Eckerlin

    Robert,

    We have here separate problems which add up when doing a panorama photomerge.

    1 - the file data change after an edit : I never get this, although I am in the same time zone than you are. It has been brought up many times and I don't know if the reason has been found as well as a cure. I believe it's more often on macs...

    2 - The problem of version sets not being included in the catalog, as mentionned in your other thread. I'll assume the workaround to kill the analyzer process in the task manager works for you : it does for me.

    3 - The whole 'project' about merging several pictures into one panorama. Since the Organizer provides no way to save a 'project' with source files and optional choices such as the tags and the way the sources and the result should be grouped, you'll have to find your own way.

     

    My suggestion :

    You'll have to choose how to keep source and result together. You can use albums, tags, captions or stacks for that purpose. Albums ? no. Tags, yes. Captions ? that may work as well, and I would use them additionnally to tags. Stacks ? Yes, because their purpose is to make visual browsing and selecting quicker.

     

    1 - Select your source files, give them a common tag and a common caption (my tip would be to select the name of one of the souces plus ' panorama' : very easy to select your files via the very powerful text search). Create a stack.

    2 - select one of the sources (the one with the filename used above) and edit it without any change in the editor and save as a version set in PSD format with the final filename you want for the resulting panorama. Close it. It will be in the same folder, the same stack and it will inherit all the tags of the source.

    3 - Select your sources and do the photomerge. Save the results overwriting the PSD created above.

     
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    Oct 20, 2013 1:22 PM   in reply to Robert Eckerlin

    Robert Eckerlin wrote:

    Michel, do you know, whether for important problems, Adobe delivers fixes without awaiting the next version of PSE?

    From my experience, that depends on what is needed to update : for instance, fixes for bugs in the downloader modules have been fixed. But otherwise, generally, you have to wait for the next release . For instance, the lack of alphanumerical sort in PSE11 had to wait for PSE12.

     
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    Oct 21, 2013 2:03 AM   in reply to Robert Eckerlin

    Robert Eckerlin wrote:

     

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    To come back to your excellent "suggestion" related to Photomerge Panorama: it is my impression that based on your idea/suggestion, the problem could be relatively easely fixed in V13.

     

    To simplify a little bit: when performing a Panorama Merge, the Editor could record somewhere internally, the Identification (e.g. Filename and Foldername) of the Photos that are used as input for the Merge. And when later on, the PSE user performs a "Save As" or a "Close" of the resulting panorama, the Editor could offer to the user the option to save the Panorama File within a Versionset.

    - in the simplest implementation: the Editor would choose without asking any question with which one of the Input Files the result should be saved into a Versionset

    - in a little bit more more luxurious implementation: The Editor could ask the PSE user with wich ones of the Input Files the result should be saved into a Versionset

     

    The PSE user, could (if he wish) later on remove the Panorama Merge from the Versionset. That Is easy and fast to do.

    In my opinion, the best solution with the photomerge panorama tool would be to consider it as another type of 'creation', just like photobook or a slideshow. You create a 'project', possibly with more help and guidance for beginners, recording all the source files, destination and your different options. Those data should be saved in a 'project' format. I think it's only possible to save the output panorama file as a version set of an existing source, not the reverse, but that would be ok for me. More changes required, but anyway, panoramas are an important feature for the typical Elements users, and they require enhancements as well as a 64 bits version.

     
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    Oct 21, 2013 10:31 AM   in reply to Robert Eckerlin

    Note that this is principally a user-to-user forum. The official site for bug reports and feature requests is at http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family, so you might want to post your comments and suggestions there as well.

     

    Cheers,
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    Neale
    Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

     
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    Oct 21, 2013 4:07 PM   in reply to Robert Eckerlin

    No reproach. You raised a point that concerns you but it is unlikely that anyone from Adobe will read or act on it as a result of you posting here - you are sharing it with other users.

     

    If you go to Adobe - Feature Request / Bug Report and select 'Photoshop Elements' it gives you the following narrative and you'll see it takes you to the link I posted:

    We're interested in what changes you would like see in our products. Do you have an idea for a feature that would help your workflow? Is there a small change that could be made to make your life a little easier? Let us know!

    Share an Idea, Ask a Question or Report a Problem and get feedback from the Photoshop Elements Development Team and other passionate users on the Photoshop Family product Feedback Site on Photoshop.com

     

    Especially note the reference to 'feedback from the Photoshop Elements Development Team' - which you will not see in any reference to this community forum.

     

    So yes - I meant 'as well'.

     

    Cheers,
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    Neale
    Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

     
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    Oct 21, 2013 11:50 PM   in reply to nealeh

    Each forum has its own value.

    One example:

     

    There seems to be a bug in the 'save to version set' feature for pictures in converted catalogs.

    The user to user forum enabled methodical testing and discussion from several members.

    Even if there has been no official answer from Adobe employees (as is usual when a bug is not yet acknowledged), I suspect that discussion has been read and caught by Adobe.

    To be sure it will be read, I just issued a bug report in the feedback forum:

    http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/save_in_version_ set_not_working_in_pse12?rfm=1

     

    Adobe states that all those feedbacks are read, but they don't necessary post an answer. However, if several users add their votes, that makes an answer more likely in that forum.

     

    The present bug seems easy to reproduce and it makes using the organizer very dangerous if you are not aware of the problem. I am quite sure Adobe will check that to find the root of the problem and hopefully provide a solution.

     
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