I rotate photos in bridge, but these metadata changes are not saved to the actual image until saved in Photoshop. If I missed saving a few photos during my initial steps, how will I know which photos still need to be saved if i can only see the modified files? I need to give final images to client and if the changes aren't saved, all the photos will be oriented wronged. is the only way to resave the entire folder with image processor? is there a way to view only unsaved files so only those need to be processed? i don't want to resave files unnecessarily - both for time's sake and for quality sake. In Lightroom there's an option to save metadata changes to file automatically. And even in Google Picasa, you can just hit save to save all modified files.
It seems there's no save button in Bridge and no way to know which files need to be saved. Can somebody help me out with this please?
It seems there's no save button in Bridge and no way to know which files need to be saved.
There is something wrong with your set up. Image rotation and adding metadata is auto saved the moment you hit enter or go to another file.
Start refreshing preferences by holding down option key (Mac) or Control (Win) while restarting Bridge.
If still no luck provide more details about system version, Bridge version, configuration etc.
I think the confusion arises becasue from a past Adobe help file it states "Although Bridge allows you to quickly and easily rotate images, the rotation doesn't really happen until you open the file up in a graphics application such as Adobe Photoshop® or Adobe Illustrator® and save it in it's rotated state. So if you rotated an image in Bridge and then dragged it into Adobe InDesign®, it would appear with its original orientation.
I just rotated an image 180 degrees in Bridge. In PS it is rotated correctly, but in Windows Explorer it is still in original orientation..
Exactly. The only thing Bridge does is write the XMP metadata which is visible in more advanced photo programs. Windows Explorer cannot interpret the metadata. And this is important when sharing with clients since they are not going to have PS, but often may be viewing in Windows Explorer or other program that doesn't read XMP metadata.
So to reiterate, I rotated my files in Bridge. Everything appears to be oriented properly. I don't remember which files I saved and which files I didn't. And there seems to be no way to determine which were saved since they all appear fine in Bridge. Unless there is some sort of filter for unsaved images, I will have to process the whole folder through Photoshop via Image Processor or Batch.
Apparently, Lightroom can save to file and also filter in this way. But that requires importing files into a LR catalog. And I prefer Bridge navigation and how it works with PS.
Guess you are stuck with a couple of options. First make sure you have camera oriented correcly when snapping picture. That is the metadata all programs read.
Bridge saves the rotation metadata, but may not even be on XMP as with a jepg one is not created for such edits. Not sure how this rotation data is saved when Bridge makes rotation. You might visit the Bridge script forum and see if they have script to filter out those kinds of files. If you do find one post the results here so anyone reading this post for similar problems will see a solution.
ugh. are you sure about that?
actually these are from scans, so there's not much i can do. i'm not going to manually rotate before scanning. i guess i can look into Bridge scripts though i was hoping i wouldn't have a new project on my hands. i might start exploring Lightroom or other programs as an alternative or find some other way to change my workflow if this is the case.
This must be a Windows issue then. I can rotate DNG, PSD or jpg etc. and they open in all cases as I have put them, and they also show in the Finder (kind of explorer but then for Mac) as been rotated in Bridge without opening first in PS and then saved.
Also a Bridge rotated frame opens as rotated in external viewers (except DNG but not many apps can view Raw) without save and editing.
The only file type that has other behavior is a CR2 file, Raw from Canon and not converted to DNG, this does also not show rotated in Finder. But since a CR2 needs exporting or saving before being able to view in other apps I don't think this is what you mean?
i'm dealing with standard JPG files from photos scanned in to the computer. the photos appear properly in Ps and Google Picasa . i'm guessing Windows Explorer cannot read XMP or whatever metadata Bridge writes this information to. And I don't think it's appropriate to dump this into the "Windows problem" category since it likely affects any service company that provides clients data on disc. It might appear fine in Mac's Finder since it can read the metadata fine, but if you make a disc and give it to somebody who uses Windows Explorer for viewing, the same problem will occur.
Dare I say most people have a Windows computer, and many people don't know anything other than Windows Explorer. If a disc I provide lacks my corrections, they're going to come back and complain. I can't tell them, "I'm sorry ma'am but it's a Windows problem - you need to download XYZ to view your pictures."
Here is an easy solution. The rotate image shows incorrectly in Windows Explorer, but shows correctly in InfanView. So have your clients download InfanView, it is free and has many fine featues. Will open almost any file.
I made pretty clear in the last post that telling customers they need to use a particular program to view their photos is not an option. i can give a tip for a good program, but the photos need to work anywhere regardless. I am going to make it as easy as possible for my customers. We're talking about grandparents in many cases. A product needs to work out of the box without any special tricks. I'm not going to open a technical support can of worms. It appears you guys don't have the answers just yet.
The answer was provided in post #2, you just chose not to accept it. There is no "fix", all we can do is provide a workaround. In case you did not read it here it is again.
From Adobe Help file: Although Bridge allows you to quickly and easily rotate images, the rotation doesn't really happen until you open the file up in a graphics application such as Adobe Photoshop® or Adobe Illustrator® and save it in it's rotated state. So if you rotated an image in Bridge and then dragged it into Adobe InDesign®, it would appear with its original orientation.
…Dare I say most people have a Windows computer, and many people don't know anything other than Windows Explorer…
Then you dare to speak of stuff you know little about.
According to data provided at various times by Adobe and Microsoft, sales of the Creative Suite are roughly divided 50/50 between Mac and Windows, with the proportion tilting 60/40 in favor of the Mac from time to time.
i wouldn't disagree with that. but you're talking about professionals and photo enthusiasts - people who are going out to buy the best photo software. among that group, Mac certainly has an edge. But those aren't my clients.
Our clients are grandparents and soccer moms/dads who may use computers for work but are usually not very tech savvy. some people will not know how to go about downloading without asking a family mmeber. they may also be getting a scanning project done for a gift.they just pop the disc in the computer and look at the windows explorer folder that pops up.
thanks guys; i'm sad to hear there are only workarounds. Workarounds work for me occasionally, but my clients are not going to be made to rely on them. i'll change my workflow so this issue doesn't come up then.
and i will add that i think it's a huge flaw to not have an option to save/export files properly. sure, professionals prefer metadata because it does not affect the original. but software developers have to remember that professionals have clients. and clients need their things to work out of the box. i don't want to field technical support calls for avoidable circumstances.
(stationtwo - i feel you didn't read the orignal post; i'm really not sure where i'm losing you. do you not understand that professionals have NON-professional clients? we scan and edit family photos using Bridge and Ps to create a final product given to home users.that final product (a DVD filled with their edited family photos) needs to be compatible with all platforms OUT OF THE BOX! it's like giving someone their movie on a DVD+R which won't work in an older DVD-R player. DVD-Rs are more compatible. It's stupid to tell a client they need to buy a new DVD player. It's the professionals' job to make sure that their clients don't run into these issues. and it's the software developers' job to have the foresight to prevent compatibility issues in the first place. )
Photoguy397, you're not "losing" me; you're getting lost yourself by not focusing on the fact that Bridge is nothing but a file browser, nothing more and nothing less.
It's not an image editor; it's not meant to manipulate images, not even to open them and not to save them. It merely hands over the file to the appropriate application, whether that be Photoshop, Camera Raw, Illustrator or even MS Word, to open, manipulate or edit and save.
As a professional, it behooves you to use the profesional level-application Photoshop to open, manipulate and save the file for your perceived nincompoop client, a term I use solely by inference from your description of your client from your vantage point.
Let's hope your clients are not following you here in this thread.
1) The question was whether Bridge could do a particular task. The answer was no. So I'll use a different program.
2) Bridge allows you to rotate the photos. So it should either allow you to save the change or at least filter saved from unsaved changes so you know which photos still need to be processed in Ps.
3) My clients have jobs and are professionals in their own field. They needn't be particularly tech savvy. If you want to label them with that 'N' word, that's on you. To me, they're normal people with a life. We are hired to do the tech stuff, so they can have a life.
4) Get a life. I didn't come to this board for childish fights.
Workarounds work for me occasionally, but my clients are not going to be made to rely on them. i'll change my workflow so this issue doesn't come up then.
You only need to record an action in PS to be on the save side. If you create two actions for both landscape and portrait and set it to the wanted size and resolution as well as save in a dedicated folder You can use the new conditional option in the acton panel to create a simple If Then to let both actions play automatically.
The only thing you then have to do is select all in Bridge, use menu Tools / Ps / Batch and select the action to end up with correctly saved files.