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How to align multiple objects and paths as one while keeping shape?

Dec 4, 2013 12:11 AM

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The title says it all. When I have made a logo and there's mutiple parts and I want to center it, it messes all the parts up. How do I center it while keeping the shape without combining it all? Example in photo: http://puu.sh/5BFR8.png

 
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    Dec 4, 2013 2:01 AM   in reply to ErraticFox

    Does Object > Group not work for you?

    Or you could make a symbol of (a copy of) your artwork.

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 9:59 AM   in reply to ErraticFox

    Yeah, just group the objects together (Object > Group). Or if for some reason you wanted to center the group without grouping them, you could select all the shapes and set the x value of the center point to half the width of the artboard.

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 12:43 PM   in reply to ErraticFox

    Yeah, grouping as already suggested is the only way  considered as one unit for the alignment tools.

    I wish there was a feature that would consider a selection as one unit for alignment purposes so I can keep my layers and groups hierarchy.

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 12:51 PM   in reply to emil emil

    That's what sublayers are for. Illustrator already creates a hierarchy of all shapes on any given layer, whether they're grouped or not.

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 12:58 PM   in reply to KrisHunt

    In my ears it sounds like you're not getting Emil's point about aligning selections, Kris.

     

    I think he meant something different (which I also would welcome).

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 1:06 PM   in reply to Kurt Gold

    No, I understand perfectly. He wants to align his logo with the center of the artboard, but he seems to think that grouping the individual elements of the logo will ruin his layer hierarchy. He doesn't seem to understand that a design that is grouped into one object still has a layer hierarchy in the layer's sublayers. There is no need to have each element of the design on a separate layer; Illustrator does that for you.

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 1:12 PM   in reply to KrisHunt

    No, Kris, you are confusing the OP's task with Emil's statement in post 3 (which contains a valuable thought about aligning selections).

     

    Read the second line in post 3 again. Perhaps you can understand the idea.

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 2:12 PM   in reply to ErraticFox

    What I have done in the past, and let me know if this works for you is: duplicate the image you want to align, group that duplicate and align it, select all the original elements and using one point to snap to one point on the grouped copy  aligning the original elements.  Does this make sense or have I had way too much Mt Dew today.

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 5:36 PM   in reply to PrepressPro1

    Ack. I did confuse the two people, but my answer applies to both.

    I wish there was a feature that would consider a selection as one unit for alignment purposes so I can keep my layers and groups hierarchy.

    There is such a feature; it's called grouping your objects. Layer hierarchy is maintained in the sublayers. It would be impossible to align multiple shapes as one unit if they weren't grouped together; how would Illustrator know they were supposed to act as one unit instead of being aligned individually?

     

    And we're talking about this in the context of a logo, which is a single cohesive unit, and as such should really be grouped at all times anyway.

     
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    Dec 4, 2013 5:48 PM   in reply to KrisHunt

    Well, grouping just for the purpose of aligning may interfere with grouping and layering for other purposes. Also often I need to align just parts of an object (points or edges) along with separated objects preserving the current spacing between the selected objects and segments.

     

    As to how it can be done, well that's what programing is for, the whole point of it is to create solutions for this kind of problems. As for the user interaction, there may be more elegant solutions but my first thought is to increase the functionality of the selection sets by moving them from the menu in a selection sets panel where multiple selection sets can be selected. This will also add selection functionally to make selection by adding together multiple selection sets - currently it is one at a time. Even if they only put them in a panel, that would make them more useful - I almost never use them and forget about them because I hate digging in menus just to create a selection.

     
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    Dec 5, 2013 12:42 PM   in reply to KrisHunt

    Kris, realised that your imagination about aligning selections as one (temporary) unit without grouping them is currently restricted to the status quo.

     

    I don't badmouth that, but I don't agree at the same time.

     
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    Dec 5, 2013 1:41 PM   in reply to Kurt Gold

    Reckon it’s about time we heard from ErraticFox.

    All this speculation is getting us going round in circles.

    Like I said in my first post, a Group is probably the best bet, followed shortly by a Symbol.

    Either will do the job, but until we get feedback no-one will be any the wiser.

     
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