There is no value when Dreamweaver builds its own profiles and tweaks highly trusted and workable code. I have been with HomeSite way back before it was made, when BBEdit was the most popular tool for coders (yet it was MAC Base and not windows in 1997). The advantage of HomeSite is that it did not add code, change code or even stitch code into profiles. It allowed you as a programmer do whatever you want. I'd rather have control over my code that have CF or even Dreamvweaver destroy what has worked perfectly for years with me.
It is sad that Homesite is not available and truly Adobe should resurrect it or release the code to someone who can fix it and make it available for windows 7 / 64 bit.
I remember the days of FrontPage, Cold Fusion and Dreamweaver. As good as they can be, for diehard coders, it is easier to code 1 line than jump through a bunch of GUI garble to make 1 line in Dreamweaver.
I still use homesite - have used it since it from the biginning and will continue as long as any part of it works!
I have Dreamweaver CS4 it is "okay" in just code view, and actually has some nice bells and whistles...
but gadzooks it is bloated!
For real hand code nothing compares to HOMESITE!
I STILL USE HOMESITE for most fast edits and initial builds.
It loads fast... it has everything I need and the configuration options let you set it upd just how you like it!
NOTHING beats Homesite!
PLEASE someone figure out a way to take this jem to an opensource project!
I have tried to stick with Dreamweaver and dive in and really put it through its paces
so that I can support clients who request sites be designed in it, think they need it and rely upon it...
but it is really annoying!
When I am designing a site I might pull up Dreamweaver for some fast layout comps then I go back to Homesite to fix it.
When I really need to fix a site screwed up by Dreamweaver I go to Homesite.
When I really need to edit I go to Homesite.
I've been using HomeSite since the 90s.
I've tried other HTML/JS/CSS development environments, but haven't found anything as good.
I'd love for HomeSite to be open-sourced and become the de-facto HTML/JS/CSS IDE on all platforms. I'm thinking of a project along the lines of Qt Creator -- maybe Trolltech could take this on ;-)?
This may be where HomeSite could do better: in my experience many web developers come from a server-side background -- or at least spend a lot of their time on a Linux or Mac box -- and hack their code (including HTML/JS/CSS) with whatever's available. They probably use Vim/Emacs, Notepad and TextEdit and have no desire to purchase, install and learn a proprietary Windows IDE.
I doubled clicked on a cfc I wanted
to edit and lo and behold... good ole HomeSite
5.5 launched with my cfc ready to edit! I had b
een using Dreamweaver as my main cfml/html
/js editor. Since HomeSite was ready and waiting, I decided to reaquaint myself with, and what a pleasanr surprise!
I had forgotten how powerful, and easy to use HomeSite was. I'm gonna start using it as my main editor now! 8>0 !!!
I did my first website using notepad in 1998 but in 1999 I found Allaire Homesite, the greatest tool ever made to build web sites. I never changed, although I tried so many other software (Dreamweaver, Eclipse, Aptana, PSPad, Notepad++, etc). None can beat Homesite in speed, simplicity, robustness.
I'm using Homesite today, I have not found anything to touch it. The only reason I can think Adobe have discontinued support for it, is to get people to try one of their expensive all singing all dancing programmes. They can go and jump off a New York skycrapper and far as I'm concerned. Bring back a standalone Homesite for my sanity. Like you I have used Homesite after using Notepad from 1998. I came to this forum because of problems reinstalling my copy of Homesite 4.5 it would not except my serial number. Can you help - what comes after HS45EE and before the numbers in the serial number.
I agree with Sqrtz: "When I really need to fix a site screwed up by Dreamweaver I go to Homesite"
For a long time, this was about a third of my job.
Coder/Coder Plus view in Dreamweaver is okay, and HomeSite-like--but the easy customization, shared code snippets--well, I am preaching to the choir on this thread, aren't I? As I assume no one from Adobe is paying attention anymore.
Love the open source idea. I'd work on it.
Also, I thought that they ported it from Delphi to coldfusion when Macromedia bought it. However, I may have misunderstood.
I love it everytime I see a followup here! I keep hoping if we keep it alive ONE DAY - someone at Adobe will take a look and go... hey these folks STILL love HOMESITE!
So this member of the choir LOVES to be preached to!
Been using homesite since Website Pro (1994)
for years, 4.52.. just decided to see if there was something newer, dismayed to find that Adobe has dropped the product.
Adobe, are you listening?
Downloaded 5.5 evaluation off C-NET, but how can I update it? "Upgrade" path says I can use my previous serial, but that's not happening..
So where to from here? I'm willing to pay, but Adobe won't take my money unless it's for Dreamweaver..
You guys are all dreaming if you think Adobe cares about what you want.
Adobe and customer 'wants' to not coexist, never have never will, it is not their way of doing business, Want proof just read the many posts in these and the other adobe product forums... you would think with such negative views of Adobe they would do something about it, but again as said they DO NOT care.
Though they are no different to other big name software companies, such as Microsoft etc, their business is to churn out versions after version of so called better products at the expense of the user and also the need of higher specification computers which again is an added cost to the user. Adobe's high inflated prices of their software is another reason Homesite did not get retained, they could not slap on a $1000 price tag onto it so they have killed it off.
Adobe is for Adobe and is not for the people or even their clients. You use what they provide (and you pay for in a massive way) and that is that, if you don't like it tough they do not care.
Also don;t think for second that Homesite will be released Open Source, why because then it will be a competitor to their overbloated dreamweaver. Like Mircrosoft, if Adobe cannot beat it they buy it, if they can't then charge $1000 a copy for it then they kill it.
For those that are resisting the change let me say that you do have a few very good alternative options;
Windows; TopStyle or Webuilder (both are commercial)
Linux: Bluefish or UltraEdit (UE is not free)
Mac - what's a mac?
Time to give Adobe the boot....not that they would care anyway....
I did not read all above,
But I can say that Homesite is the greatest Website coding product I have ever seen.
I use it for 10 years. It is very simple, very flexible, Customizable, very clear.
I have seen ColdFusion Builder, Eclipse, Dreamweaver (they are all a waste of time).
If some one could takeover the product (buy it from Adobe, now) and adapt it
for evolution (64 bits). That would be great.
Which product have a feature as HomeSite to build yourself your commands (buttons),
I am talking about the VTM files.
Really this is the tool for professionnals.
Thanks for any answer which could HELP the continuity and life of HomeSite.
Ans thanks to explain the desadvantages of HomeSite (if there are).
I'm still using Homesite as my primary editor. I am considering creating a new set of custom dialogs and tag editors for Homesite.
If enough of you are interested in my project or have any ideas, let me know by filling out my feedback form here;
I saw your note that you might be creating some new HomeSite add-ons for HTML5, etc.
I'm still maintaining asp4hs so please let me know when you have anything new and I'll gladly list it.
(and yes, I still use HomeSite as my primary website editor. haven't had chance to go look at the current alternatives yet... sigh)
-- Jeff Wilkinson
volunteer for HomeSite
see Asp4Hs: ASP/PHP/.Net/etc Development Extensions for HomeSite
I used to use Homesite years ago and have just started to get back into Web Dev after a few years on App Dev so I thought I would purchase a copy of Homesite. Devastated to find that it is no longer available.
Anyone know where I can buy a copy from??
In my quest to find a replacement for my beloved Homesite, I came across
an app several months ago that others may find helpful. I have tried dozens of programs and none have remained installed on my PC for longer than a week. It is freeware. It is highly customizable and supports custom highlighters, menus, macros, wizards, extensiolns, etc. It can compile code in just about every environment. The application is called PS Pad. Have any of the HS gurus tried PS Pad (http://www.pspad.com/en/)?
(copy+paste from site)
PSPad is a freeware programmer's editor for Microsoft Windows operating systems, useful for people who:
The creator lives in the Cvech Republic, and speaks very little English. As a result, the application and help files are poorly translated to English but as far as I can tell, the application is pretty solid for someone who wants Homesite's flexibility & the ability to write code under your own terms. Unfortunately, I can't work with Dreamweaver. I have tried to code with it many times over the years and always end up with broken code when I rely on it. I find the application overly bloated, unnessarily complex, and incredibly frustrating as it simply won't stop changing my code.
I hope more English speakers get involved with the project as I believe it has a lot to offer to coders worldwide, but it's exposure is currently limited for a variety of reasons. I admit that I have found the application a bit difficult to use because the terminology (poor translation) can be confusing. It really needs a person like Jeff Wilkinson to expose its true power. I know I would have never figured out custom parsers or VTML without Jeff Wilkinson's contribution to the HS community.
If anything, I hope someone finds the app useful. I am actively using it but I do find myself relying on HS as well because old habits are hard to break and I don't fully understand how to work with PS Pad yet.
Thanks for your suggestion,
But I am a ColdFusion user, and I see nothing helping in that product for ColdFusion.
Also , I would need to bring back (convert) all my existing snippets I have built during
10 years of Homesite.
No syntaxic coloration for CF.
Also, I do not see any tool bar for languages TAGs.
I will go further investigating that product to have a final idea.
Else, it seems to have other features, maybe helpfull.
The best, will be to have some people to continue Homesite.
Thanks for any ideas on Homesite continuation.
If you know it well, you will understand its POWER.
Just been having a go with PSPad -- it's good!
Overall, better than Notepad++ and, in some ways better than -- my favourite HTML/JS/CSS editor -- HomeSite.
- quick to start, responsive, and a small footprint
- seems stable
- simple, clean interface -- very like HomeSite
- powerful and useful editing features -- some of which are not available in HomeSite
- plain text ini file
- quite easy to customise
- no multiline search (only HomeSite has this)
- only IE browser integration
- some parts of the interface are a bit cluttered or clunky
- not sure, but I *think* it's written with Borland Delphi -- shame, in this day and age, it wasn't done cross-platform with (say) Qt
Being that the app isn't written by Alaire/Macromedia/Adobe, it doesn't support CF on default. That doesn't mean it can't support it. The language barrier with the developer is a problem. It causes you to jump to conclusions. If you search around, you can probably find support for Cold Fusion or a way to get it to work with Cold Fusion.
Here are some of the syntax extensions:
You're options are endless. As for color, you can easily set that using their "highligther" files. In that way, it is very much like Homesite. It's fully customizable in terms of tag libraries, code coloring, etc. I have managed to setup as couple tag "highlighters" and did set the colors to my preference but it was a struggle to understand how to accomplish this. It has "user" multi-highlighters and system highlighters (PHP,ASP,JS,HTML,ETC).
It does support Firefox (not by default b/c it requires another install for the support), as well as other browsers externally. There is a major language barrier with the developer. The application is more flexible than it appears. I'm still trying to figure it out and am by no means, an advanced user, but as each day passes, I am more impressed and a bit more comfortable with it. Honestly, I am also beginning to think it's better than Homesite. As a major plus, it has an active, growing community of contributors and a developer who cares about the product. I just wish there were more English speakers involved. I have had a lot of difficulty understanding the translated documentation & help files.
Reading the forum, it's compiled with a Delphi wrapper. I'm not familiar with Delphi, so I can't really comment on that part.
You may want to check out the extension scripts on multi-line search. It might be possible. If it's not available from their site (http://www.pspad.com/en/pspad-extensions.php) or via their forum, then there are also other sites that offer extensions for PS Pad, as well. Actually, this sounds similar: http://www.phdesign.com.au/general/phreplace-goes-open-source/#more-19 3. Here's the original class architecture, http://www.phdesign.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/phreplace-archit ecture.pdf. You can download it from their direcotry (first link) or the source code from https://www.assembla.com/spaces/phreplace/documents. There are a couple other extensions that might work as well. Thinking about it, HS multi-line/multi-file search using expressions is an awesome feature that I haven't seen elsewhere. Perhaps, that's what you were referring to.. I guess I'm just trying to think positive and convince myself that this is a solid replacement that could potentially replace all of homesite's features with the right supporters behind it.
It's not a perfect solution for every HS user and it does have cons, like any app. However, unlike HS, it is actively supported & updated by the developer. It has an active community developing extensions. It is very similar, if not better than, Homesite in many ways but it will take time to setup for your personal needs. For me, it has almost everything I love about Homesite. It may actually have everything ... the more I use it, the more it makes sense. Once I got a grip on their unique terminology, like "highligthers" and their use of "highlighters" & multi-highlighters for custom tag libraries, external help files, default syntax, etc., as well as the menu layout (probably makes more sense to Europeans in the dev's native language), everything started to make sense. I have since tweaked the menu to my liking but getting to this point wasn't straightforward, at all. It takes some patience to figure out.
Although still Beta, there's a nice HTML 5 syntax extension with template, as well. It also supports Topstyle Lite 3.0. Unfortunately, it's not compatiable with TopStyle 3.5 but Homesite isn't compatiable with new versions of TopStyle either.
Other than TopStyle (doesn't even come close to HS in fuctionality & features) and simple notepad-like apps, what exists for Windows? If anyone knows of another program that's similar to HS, please do post it. I've been searching for a replacement for a few years now. I've tried everything from expensive bloated apps to shareware to open-source desktop apps to online editors. PS Pad is the best & only application I've found, so far, to replace HS.
I've been using Homesite exclusively for ever. I just upgraded to a Win7 system and the only version I could get to run was Homesite+, so I welcome the 'extra' features.
I tried Hotdog, Dreamweaver, you name it - they are not as good.
I am about to build a new workstation up...
Can anyone give me advice on installing Homesite5 on Windows 7, 64bit?
Do I need to run the virtual XP machine to get it to work?
Or is there an earlier version I should install - I have them all.
I too have really tried Dreamweaver - it just really is not as suited to my needs as Homesite.
I use it for some things but I STILL LOVE MY HOMESITE!
HomeSite runs fine on 64-bit Windows 7: you don't need to use an XP virtual machine.
You may need to run it in compatibility mode:
Thanks, I will try Webuilder.
But, 1st , I can see it is not built for ColdFusion developpers.
no CFM extension admitted. (this is a shame, ColdFusion is (like HomeSite) a great product).
Homesite was very close to ColdFusion Studio (the CF editor at beginning, based on Homesite features).
We have now ColdFusion Builder (in replacement from Adobe) based on Eclipse,
but again, I cannot find all Homesite features and more complex.
I continue investigating, but Homesite is still the BEST editor I have ever seen.
(indefinitly customizable, if you know how and practice).
The problem, is the HELP section (for CF) which is not uptodate,
but I can manage integrating it , as far as I can.
I tried FirstPage, and Webuilder,
I came back to Homesite.
Does any body knows about the VTM files ?
This means that any one can build its own Button for toolsbar
and these buttons can be either :
- a start tag and end tag
- a dialog tag
- launch an external application
- launch a script file
I starting building my own button for HTML5,
This means, Homesite can evoluate itself by anyone.
This is maybe why it has been taked off the market.
Also, I access all my database, I keep all my snippets,
You can see in the image attached, the HTML5 toolbar (a start).
A dialog button to play a video (html5).
The list of database.
I think I will never leave HOMESITE.
As there is a way to make it work under 64bits OS.
Homesite+ is the only editor I will use. It is so very useful, in fact, that there are still parts of it I don't use, and I've been using one or another version of HomeSite for at least 10 years.
I came here today while searching for an HTML5 tag library add-on for HS+. Previous CF owners have published the tag library updates for HS+, but apparently Adobe can't be bothered to do this anymore, so I wondered if some kind soul had taken it upon himself or herself to do that. I can't pay much, but I would definitely be willing to pay something.
At this point, not having the updated CF9 and HTML5 tag libraries is the ONLY problem I have with HS+. Nevertheless, I will still continue to use it as it is simply the best.
Several posters have suggested various reasons for Adobe no longer supporting the HS product. The reason I read (somewhere) is that the program is written in Borland Delpi, and Adobe didn't want to support the code in that language, and also didn't think it was worth the manpower to rewrite it in some more mainstream language.
Ben Forta posted on Adobe's decision to kill Homesite+ here:
I still use it as well. I'm still on CF8, which the last update to help and tags supported.
Tried CF Builder 2 beta, and after two days of pain, went right back to HS.
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