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Vector Circle Has Jagged Edges - Why?

Jan 25, 2008 12:14 PM

I'm creating a button logo in Fireworks for print use and wanted to use Vector shapes as I thought they didn't distort.

I'm working in CMYK at 300DPI.

So I start out with a white vector circle for the outer-ring to the button using an Anti-Alias edge:

White Button

Then I add the inner vector cirle, same deal as before:

Blue inner circle

So far so good.

Now I add an outer bevel effect to the blue circle to give the button effect and....

WOOOOOAAAAHHH!!!!

The blue circle's edges have gone jagged! What happened there? I thought that Vector shapes retained their edges because they weren't confined to tiny pixels. What's going on, why aren't the edges retaining their smoothness once I've applied an effect to the shape?
 
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    Jan 25, 2008 12:41 PM   in reply to thedrumdoctor
    Try 'Decrease Contrast' and 'Increase Softness' options on the Outer Bevel - to smooth it out.

     
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    Jan 25, 2008 10:48 PM   in reply to thedrumdoctor
    "I'm working in CMYK"

    not if you're in fireworks you're not :)

    heathrowe wrote:
    > Try 'Decrease Contrast' and 'Increase Softness' options on the Outer Bevel - to smooth it out.
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    Jan 26, 2008 8:05 AM   in reply to heathrowe
    can't you just do it all in photoshop??

    thedrumdoctor wrote:
    > Tried it and unfortunately, the edges still remain jagged
     
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    Jan 26, 2008 8:30 AM   in reply to thedrumdoctor
    Indeed, seems the contrast of the underlying White shape and the bevel Shape object shows the appearance of 'jaggies' more than complementary colors between the two.

    When I move the White Shape object away from the Beveled object they both appear fine on the canvas, but the moment I place the White underneath the beveled object the jaggies show.

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    Jan 26, 2008 10:00 PM   in reply to thedrumdoctor
    thedrumdoctor wrote:
    > Even on print-out the edges remained jagged, so I tried the same experiment
    > with a Vector button in Photoshop and it worked fine. I always thought
    > Fireworks was supposed to be the superior tool to Photoshop when dealing with
    > Vectors. Well the Path tools seem to be a heck of a lot easier to acces whne
    > you want to combine, interselect or punch out a shape.
    >

    Fireworks is faster when working with vectors but it's primarily a
    screen graphics app and frankly, its printing features are very lack lustre.

    I notice you're posting GIF's. Looks like the file is dithering which
    may be adding to the jagged edge problem.

    Have you tried exporting this as a 24 bit PNG file, or even a jpeg?

    Can you post the original PNG file?

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    Jan 27, 2008 7:18 AM   in reply to thedrumdoctor
    good catch Jim
    When I tested it, reducing the Contrast and increasing Softness I was able to eliminate the 'chiseled' and jagged edges.

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    Jan 27, 2008 3:42 PM   in reply to thedrumdoctor
    thedrumdoctor wrote:
    > I tried the an export as a 24 Bit PNG and the edges remaind jagged.
    >
    > I tried the same experiment in Photoshop with the Vectors shapes there and the edges were perfect. Looks like Photoshop wins!

    Not sure what I am doing differently. I created a 300 dpi image in FW,
    drew the circle, filled it with blue and added a soft bevel. No jagged
    edges. At 100% magnification things look fine on screen.

    Did similar in PS and got a very similar result, although the bevel is a
    bit smoother.

    Are you referring to printed work, or screen work?

    Would really appreciate seeing the original png and samples of the
    Photoshop vs Fireworks end results. If it's a reproducible issue, it
    should be reported as a bug for future releases.

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    Jan 28, 2008 8:16 AM   in reply to Newsgroup_User


    For now, if you recreate the effect with an inner bevel instead you will
    get rid of the jaggies. (softness = 7)

    alex

    thedrumdoctor wrote:
    >
    quote:

    Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
    > thedrumdoctor wrote:
    > > I tried the an export as a 24 Bit PNG and the edges remaind jagged.
    > >
    > > I tried the same experiment in Photoshop with the Vectors shapes there and
    > the edges were perfect. Looks like Photoshop wins!
    >
    > Not sure what I am doing differently. I created a 300 dpi image in FW,
    > drew the circle, filled it with blue and added a soft bevel. No jagged
    > edges. At 100% magnification things look fine on screen.
    >
    > Did similar in PS and got a very similar result, although the bevel is a
    > bit smoother.
    >
    > Are you referring to printed work, or screen work?
    >
    > Would really appreciate seeing the original png and samples of the
    > Photoshop vs Fireworks end results. If it's a reproducible issue, it
    > should be reported as a bug for future releases.
    >
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    >
    >
    > Well, I've repeated the exercise with a new png file and uploaded it here
    > http://www.nlauro.f9.co.uk/images/test.vector.circles.png
    >
    > As you can see, the edges are still jagged on the blue circle. You can
    > download this and see for yourself anyway.
    >
    > This was done in Fireworks MX so I'm not using the latest release of Fireworks.
    >
    > The shape was eventually destined for print work by the way. As much as I
    > don't like the clumsy way PS forces you to create vector shapes, it produced a
    > near perfect smooth edge on the same experiment.
    >
     
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    Jan 28, 2008 10:37 AM   in reply to Newsgroup_User
    thedrumdoctor wrote:
    >
    quote:

    Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
    >
    >
    > For now, if you recreate the effect with an inner bevel instead you will
    > get rid of the jaggies. (softness = 7)
    >
    > alex
    >
    >

    >
    >
    > Yes, that does work one hell of a lot better, thanks for the tip Alex. PS is
    > still just that little bit smoother though....
    >
    >

    Actually yes, that was how I was doing it as well, using an inner
    bevel.

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