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30. Bart Cross,

Oct 20, 2003 10:02 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I have individual apps, so when I activate my PhotoshopCS will I be allowed to download the additional fonts?

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31. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 20, 2003 10:58 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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No, I'm afraid not. They are an incentive to buy the whole suite instead of the individual applications.

See my other posting for a more detailed explanation of the fonts bundled with the individual apps. If you upgrade individual apps you'll basically get everything except the Warnock and Brioso families.

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32. (luk_a),

Oct 20, 2003 11:41 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Thanks for your posting Thomas... I'm quite looking forward to suite now... I wasn't aware when I put in my order at the font perks:) Cool.

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33. Ramón G Castañeda,

Oct 20, 2003 12:22 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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The extra fonts you get with whole suite seem to make up for the fact that you will not get any printed manuals for any of the applications if you order the suite as opposed to individual upgrades for each application, which do come with printed manuals.

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34. (KlausNordby),

Oct 20, 2003 5:36 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Wow, Thomas - wonderful! And to think I have been contemplating buying Warnock Pro very recently - saved by the bell! :-) Of course, I _could_ gripe about having bought Minion Pro for 259 bucks a year ago, but I'll try to take it like a man.

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35. Bart Cross,

Oct 21, 2003 6:21 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Thomas:

Well that sucks, I own Acrobat 6 Pro, I will upgrade to ID, AI, PS to CS versions and will have to activate PSCS, but I can't get the extra fonts. I have more apps than someone who orders the 'standard' CS Suite, but they still get the extra fonts. Guess that's what you get for being a loyal customer for twelve years.

I still think Adobe ought to offer the free additional fonts to anyone who has to everyone who has to 'activate', they claim that is what the additional fonts are for and can only receive them after activation.

Maybe you might want to bring this matter up at a meeting where this type of stuff is decided.

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36. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 21, 2003 7:46 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Hmmm. Well, "ID," it's your choice to upgrade all your individual apps and not upgrade to the Pro version of the suite from Photoshop. You'd get GoLive, Version Cue, and the extra fonts.

The whole point of this is to have an incentive for people to buy the suite. If you want to buy the individual applications, you still have that option and it's your call.

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37. (Marilyn_Langfeld),

Oct 22, 2003 4:05 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Before you decide not to buy one of the suites, try to see a demonstration of them. Version Cue (plus the fonts) make the suites a steal even if you have several apps (me too). Version Cue is only sold in the suites. I saw a demo at an InDesign Users Group meeting Monday evening.

Version Cue allows, for example, Photoshop images to include several 'versions' of a photo (different duos, or with different layer styles applied, etc), which you can decide between at any time. So if your client changes their mind, you just tell version cue to move another version to current in the Photoshop image and it updates InDesign automatically at the same time. That's just one thing it does, even for the single user.

So, even though I already bought Acrobat 6 Pro, I'm going for the suite. Between Version Cue, the fonts and GoLive, the suite is cheap. Not even counting the updates of Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign.

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38. Neil_Keller,

Oct 22, 2003 4:19 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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ID. Awe,

Let's see. You get the same font package bonus whether you buy the Standard or Premium edition (I keep on wanting to say "Professional" too). Plus Version Cue. The upgrade to Standard that includes InDesign, Illustrator, Photshop is $549 from your existing Photoshop. Add GoLive and Acrobat Pro and it's just $749.

Even if the Standard upgrade were to cost a bit more than individual upgrades for ID, AI, and PS, you also get all of the extra fonts and Version Cue in that upgrade.

Unless other factors are conspiring against purchasing the CS Suite, I just don't see where the problem is.

Neil

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39. Neil_Keller,

Oct 22, 2003 4:26 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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More...

If you do the math, and add up Adobe's individual upgrade prices:
InDesign CS upgrade = $169
Illustrator CS upgrade = $169
Photoshop CS upgrade = $169
Total = $507

For just $42 more, you get all the goodies (Version Cue, bonus fonts) with the $549 Standard CS upgrade.

And if you add:
GoLive CS upgrade = $169
Acrobat Pro upgrade = $149

You save $76 and get everything with the $749 Premium CS upgrade.

I see plenty of incentive to purchase either upgrade path.

Neil

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40. Bob Levine,

Oct 22, 2003 9:58 AM in reply to (Marilyn_Langfeld)

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I saw a demo last night in the NYC IDUG meeting. I didn't really see any
need for it until I saw the demo. It's really hard to describe what it
brings to the table but the demo certainly swung the pendulum in favor
of upgrading to the suite as opposed to upgrading the individual apps.

Bob

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41. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 22, 2003 11:33 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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One issue that has been brought up regarding the Suite upgrade path is that once you upgrade to the Suite, upon the next round of new versions you will be ineligible to upgrade components of the Suite individually. This is not a factor for me, but it may be relevant to some people.

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42. Neil_Keller,

Oct 22, 2003 11:56 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Guy,

However, if you have prior versions of the individual apps, I would imagine that you could just do a "skipped generation" upgrade, using the registered serial numbers of those older apps.

Neil

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43. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 22, 2003 12:09 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I guess. I haven't given any of this much thought, since as an educational licensee, it is about half the price to buy a new Creative Suite Premium license than it is to upgrade from Photoshop (because there is no educational pricing on upgrades). This seems to be the general rule for educational licenses on individual Adobe apps as well--it is almost always cheaper to just buy a new educational license than it is to upgrade.

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44. Don McCahill,

Oct 22, 2003 12:29 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Guy

My guess on that is that they are aiming the ed program at students (administrators/instructors .. I'm one ... just happen to get the free ride). And students in a three year program, or less, are not likely to need to upgrade during that time. Their software may not be current release, but will seldom get less than one revision old in that time.

My point is, I guess, we can't complain about not getting a deal on the upgrade cost when you consider how well we make out on not having to buy the original software at full price in the first place.

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45. (Geert_De_Keyser),

Oct 22, 2003 12:41 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I'm guessing that the fonts that are included with the Creative Suite are not the optical versions of those that have optical versions (Minion, Jenson, etc)?

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46. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 22, 2003 1:56 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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"My point is, I guess, we can't complain about not getting a deal on the upgrade cost when you consider how well we make out on not having to buy the original software at full price in the first place."

I was not in *any* way complaining. Adobe treats the educational market wonderfully. A prime example of this is Type Classics for Learning. Thousands of dollars worth of fonts for less than 100 bucks!

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47. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 22, 2003 1:58 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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If you look at the list Thomas posted you'll see that some opticals are included (Warnock and Brioso), but some aren't.

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48. Bart Cross,

Oct 22, 2003 7:38 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I'll survive, I think Brioso sucks as a font and wouldn't use it anyways (looks like a Zapf Chancery ripoff).

As far as the Suites go, I'm glad to stay as far away from StopDead as possible as an app, Macromedia got you beat there no matter which way you look at it!

At least with the individual upgrade path, I have choices.

As far as Version Cue, sounds good, but these 'inter-apps' can be real killers in a work-flow, I'll wait and see how the tribe reacts.

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49. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 23, 2003 8:05 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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"I think Brioso...(looks like a Zapf Chancery ripoff)."

Have you actually looked at the two faces side by side? They are not even remotely similar.

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50. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 23, 2003 8:13 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Re: Brioso

I know I should just ignore such an uninformed comment, but I can't help but point out that Hermann Zapf disagrees with you on both counts. Brioso was also one of the winners of the 2002 Type Directors Club awards.

Personally, I consider Brioso Pro to be one of Robert Slimbach's finest works. It's a calligraphic text face, based on broad-edged pen lettering. This is a category that doesn't have many representatives, but other than being in that category it has very little in common with ITC Zapf Chancery.

You can see it for yourself here:
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/P/P_1504.jhtml

The PDF specimen book is here:
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/BriosoPro.pdf

T

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51. Bob Levine,

Oct 23, 2003 10:07 AM in reply to Bart Cross

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ID,

I felt the same way about Version Cue until I saw a demo the other
night. It pretty much sealed the deal for the suite instead of
individual upgrades.

Bob

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52. (Geert_De_Keyser),

Oct 23, 2003 10:13 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I must second Robert on that one, I saw a demo of Version Cue last week on a trade fair down here in Belgium and I must say that it reaaaaaally looked impressive. Although it will benefit mostly to larger design firms or newspaper-like operations where they have a number of different people working on the same product at the same timespan, there were a number of interesting features for freelance work-alone designers.

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53. Don McCahill,

Oct 23, 2003 2:54 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Re: a Zapf Chancery Ripoff

Well, to some people Times Roman and Palatino look the same too.

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54. Neil_Keller,

Oct 23, 2003 3:28 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Don,

Wait a min....they DON'T???

Neil
[...on behalf of those who believe that "vanilla or chocolate?" is one too many choices.]

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55. Bart Cross,

Oct 23, 2003 7:44 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Check the swash caps (a classier version of Zapf), as far as the rest of the font, it reminds me of the book I used to study pen letterform (can't remember the name of it off the top of my head).

It probably got (one of) the award(s) because Slimbach designed it, not because it is worthwhile. Still think it is a rip-off.

Don: Very funny, I can tell difference between the two at 6pt from 6ft away. They're not even close.

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56. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 23, 2003 7:53 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I'll just point out that the TDC submissions are anonymous. Beyond this, I don't think I'll continue that particular line of discussion.

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57. John_Nolan-ylAnVM,

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Oct 24, 2003 3:35 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I.D. Awe:
Talk to the hand.

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58. Bart Cross,

Oct 24, 2003 5:32 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I would have hoped that Slimbach, at some time, had actually used a quill, then the flaws wouldn't be so apparent. JMHRO.

Maybe he should just have called it "Speedball".

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59. (Geert_De_Keyser),

Oct 24, 2003 5:40 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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ID.Awe, are you really that ignorant or is it some weird level of nerd humour you're aspiring too? I couldn't figure your dumb *** out but then I went to your home page, looked at your picture and all the pieces of the puzzle fell into place. Am I that quick to judge? Just as quick as you are when type is concerned. In danger of repeating Thomas and John: "talk to the hand".

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60. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 24, 2003 8:21 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I must be a masochist, but at the risk of just causing myself more pain, I will say that Robert Slimbach is an extremely skilled calligrapher, whose work is framed and hanging in the corridors of Adobe. He could do calligraphy professionally, if he wanted to. (He could also be a professional fine art photographer--his work is *amazing*, but that's another story.)

Right. Having debunked yet another nonsense statement, I will go do some more work.

T

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61. Neil_Keller,

Oct 24, 2003 5:48 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Mr Slimbach has long since earned his respect. Mr Awe still has a way to go.

Let's move on...

Neil

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62. Typegrrrl,

Oct 30, 2003 9:28 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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So. Does anyone (Thomas? Neil?) Have any information about how to get the giftie after we've registered? I wasn't given the option. (Yes, I'm pouting -- But I'm still excited.)

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63. Typegrrrl,

Oct 30, 2003 9:55 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I have to say that Adobe's Customer Support is wonderful. For those of you trying to find the Onlne Registration Incentive, as I was until now ... Go to "Your Account" and then go to "View Product Registrations" page ... then scroll to the bottom and you will see:

"Please click here for instructions on obtaining your thank-you gift. Offer valid only in the US and Canada and until the next major release of the Adobe Creative Suite."

click, et voila!

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64. Neil_Keller,

Oct 30, 2003 10:52 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks.

Neil

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65. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 31, 2003 10:06 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Aha! Congratulations on getting your free bonus Brioso Pro Opticals package.

Now off to bed. I'm at the InDesign Users Conference in Florida, and very sleepy....

T

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66. LRK 2,

Nov 3, 2003 8:47 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Pardon my ignorance here. Where might I see the extra fonts that come with CS? I looked in every folder including the Goodies folder. The extra fonts incentive is the main reason I went for the CS.

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67. Arnis Gubins,

Nov 3, 2003 9:32 AM in reply to LRK 2

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See the Install Readme file ("How To Install.htm") in the "Goodies" section. On XP platforms, look in \Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts On Mac's, they're in <root>Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts

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68. Steve Werner,

Nov 3, 2003 9:38 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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You can download the Brioso Pro Opticals after you register your copy of CS online. If you sent in a registration by mail, you also need to register online to get them.

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69. Neil_Keller,

Nov 3, 2003 9:39 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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For your free bonus Brioso Pro Opticals package (or other bonus), register your software, and then scroll to the very bottom of your registered software listing and read the choices carefully.

Bonus material is not as obviously presented as it could be.

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