No, I'm afraid not. They are an incentive to buy the whole suite instead of the individual applications.
See my other posting for a more detailed explanation of the fonts bundled with the individual apps. If you upgrade individual apps you'll basically get everything except the Warnock and Brioso families.
The extra fonts you get with whole suite seem to make up for the fact that you will not get any printed manuals for any of the applications if you order the suite as opposed to individual upgrades for each application, which do come with printed manuals.
Wow, Thomas - wonderful! And to think I have been contemplating buying Warnock Pro very recently - saved by the bell! :-) Of course, I _could_ gripe about having bought Minion Pro for 259 bucks a year ago, but I'll try to take it like a man.
Well that sucks, I own Acrobat 6 Pro, I will upgrade to ID, AI, PS to CS versions and will have to activate PSCS, but I can't get the extra fonts. I have more apps than someone who orders the 'standard' CS Suite, but they still get the extra fonts. Guess that's what you get for being a loyal customer for twelve years.
I still think Adobe ought to offer the free additional fonts to anyone who has to everyone who has to 'activate', they claim that is what the additional fonts are for and can only receive them after activation.
Maybe you might want to bring this matter up at a meeting where this type of stuff is decided.
Before you decide not to buy one of the suites, try to see a demonstration of them. Version Cue (plus the fonts) make the suites a steal even if you have several apps (me too). Version Cue is only sold in the suites. I saw a demo at an InDesign Users Group meeting Monday evening.
Version Cue allows, for example, Photoshop images to include several 'versions' of a photo (different duos, or with different layer styles applied, etc), which you can decide between at any time. So if your client changes their mind, you just tell version cue to move another version to current in the Photoshop image and it updates InDesign automatically at the same time. That's just one thing it does, even for the single user.
So, even though I already bought Acrobat 6 Pro, I'm going for the suite. Between Version Cue, the fonts and GoLive, the suite is cheap. Not even counting the updates of Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign.
Let's see. You get the same font package bonus whether you buy the Standard or Premium edition (I keep on wanting to say "Professional" too). Plus Version Cue. The upgrade to Standard that includes InDesign, Illustrator, Photshop is $549 from your existing Photoshop. Add GoLive and Acrobat Pro and it's just $749.
Even if the Standard upgrade were to cost a bit more than individual upgrades for ID, AI, and PS, you also get all of the extra fonts and Version Cue in that upgrade.
Unless other factors are conspiring against purchasing the CS Suite, I just don't see where the problem is.
I saw a demo last night in the NYC IDUG meeting. I didn't really see any
need for it until I saw the demo. It's really hard to describe what it
brings to the table but the demo certainly swung the pendulum in favor
of upgrading to the suite as opposed to upgrading the individual apps.
One issue that has been brought up regarding the Suite upgrade path is that once you upgrade to the Suite, upon the next round of new versions you will be ineligible to upgrade components of the Suite individually. This is not a factor for me, but it may be relevant to some people.
I guess. I haven't given any of this much thought, since as an educational licensee, it is about half the price to buy a new Creative Suite Premium license than it is to upgrade from Photoshop (because there is no educational pricing on upgrades). This seems to be the general rule for educational licenses on individual Adobe apps as well--it is almost always cheaper to just buy a new educational license than it is to upgrade.
My guess on that is that they are aiming the ed program at students (administrators/instructors .. I'm one ... just happen to get the free ride). And students in a three year program, or less, are not likely to need to upgrade during that time. Their software may not be current release, but will seldom get less than one revision old in that time.
My point is, I guess, we can't complain about not getting a deal on the upgrade cost when you consider how well we make out on not having to buy the original software at full price in the first place.
"My point is, I guess, we can't complain about not getting a deal on the upgrade cost when you consider how well we make out on not having to buy the original software at full price in the first place."
I was not in *any* way complaining. Adobe treats the educational market wonderfully. A prime example of this is Type Classics for Learning. Thousands of dollars worth of fonts for less than 100 bucks!
I know I should just ignore such an uninformed comment, but I can't help but point out that Hermann Zapf disagrees with you on both counts. Brioso was also one of the winners of the 2002 Type Directors Club awards.
Personally, I consider Brioso Pro to be one of Robert Slimbach's finest works. It's a calligraphic text face, based on broad-edged pen lettering. This is a category that doesn't have many representatives, but other than being in that category it has very little in common with ITC Zapf Chancery.
You can see it for yourself here:
The PDF specimen book is here:
I must second Robert on that one, I saw a demo of Version Cue last week on a trade fair down here in Belgium and I must say that it reaaaaaally looked impressive. Although it will benefit mostly to larger design firms or newspaper-like operations where they have a number of different people working on the same product at the same timespan, there were a number of interesting features for freelance work-alone designers.
ID.Awe, are you really that ignorant or is it some weird level of nerd humour you're aspiring too? I couldn't figure your dumb *** out but then I went to your home page, looked at your picture and all the pieces of the puzzle fell into place. Am I that quick to judge? Just as quick as you are when type is concerned. In danger of repeating Thomas and John: "talk to the hand".
I must be a masochist, but at the risk of just causing myself more pain, I will say that Robert Slimbach is an extremely skilled calligrapher, whose work is framed and hanging in the corridors of Adobe. He could do calligraphy professionally, if he wanted to. (He could also be a professional fine art photographer--his work is *amazing*, but that's another story.)
Right. Having debunked yet another nonsense statement, I will go do some more work.
I have to say that Adobe's Customer Support is wonderful. For those of you trying to find the Onlne Registration Incentive, as I was until now ... Go to "Your Account" and then go to "View Product Registrations" page ... then scroll to the bottom and you will see:
"Please click here for instructions on obtaining your thank-you gift. Offer valid only in the US and Canada and until the next major release of the Adobe Creative Suite."
See the Install Readme file ("How To Install.htm") in the "Goodies"<br />section.<br /><br />On XP platforms, look in \Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts<br /><br />On Mac's, they're in <root>Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts