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Still no supervision in the French and Spanish forums?

Aug 6, 2005 3:38 AM

I forgot that threads are extremely short lived in this forum, and the discussion that really began within an unrelated thread, here

Pierre Courtejoie, "Shouldn't these links be removed as soon as possible?" #8, 27 Feb 2005 1:21 pm

has already gone to the Archives, where it is in danger of going to the limbus in the near future.

I still think that this is an important issue, and still wait to see any improvement in those forums showing that the messages by Pierre and myself on the subject have not fallen in a void. Although we both value and thank Neil Keller for his attempts to get some reaction in higher quarters, his attempts have unfortunately been a failure.

It is pathetic to see pages in the forums in Spanish with templates that are written in a mixture of English and a very bad Spanish. It is even more pathetic that JC stopped more than a year ago feeling authorized to introduce any non trivial change to improve this situation. The worst part is however to feel that there is no one listening, or at least willing to admit that there might be problems in those forums.

I feel very disappointed.
 
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  • Ramón G Castañeda
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    Aug 6, 2005 9:38 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Second that.
     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Aug 7, 2005 1:32 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Thanks ramon for keeping this issue alive.
    I tried to contact one of the persons listed on the French site of Adobe, and sadly received no answer.

    Personnally, I find this sad as a good and active user to user forum could be a nice incentive for somebody to buy a program that he does not know: having a lot of knowledgeable users that are willing to help you learn an application is a big plus.

    I don't understand how it comes that the second largest software manufacturer is letting some inexpensive advertizement unnatended.
    If the forum was monitored, had moderators, a lot of active members, I'm sure that the specialized press would talk about it.
     
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    Aug 8, 2005 5:00 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    I fully agree with the above statements.
     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Aug 9, 2005 12:42 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    ^ "unattended"
     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Aug 15, 2005 1:31 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    I'd like to know what part of Adobe in europe controls those fora? Is it the Netherlands, France, UK?
     
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  • Ramón G Castañeda
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    Aug 15, 2005 7:06 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    What was the name of the country in The Mouse That Roared? That must be the one.
     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    I'll have to google that one, but guess that it is a joke.

    From another thread, OZpeter said:
    > "Different kettle of fish, Claudio - one is (I think) a matter of changing the software, assuming that can be done and that there is a budget for it. The other is a matter of policy and management and human resourcing - or so it would seem to me - possibly therefore more complex in reality. "

    Human Resourcing? for volunteers? I'm sure that two posters in this thread would volunteer... ;)
     
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    Aug 17, 2005 12:53 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    Ramon - it may have been the Right Royal Duchy of Ruritania

    Pretty good movie - Peter Sellers?
     
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  • Ramón G Castañeda
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    Aug 18, 2005 9:52 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    Pierre,

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053084/

    Deebs,

    Actually, it was the Duchy of Grand Fenwick.

    Yes, Peter Sellers playing a bunch of different roles, including that of Grand Duchess Gloriana XII.
     
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  • Ramón G Castañeda
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    Aug 18, 2005 9:55 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    Ruritania showed up in "The Prisoner of Zenda", according to Google.
     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Aug 19, 2005 4:20 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Sorry for puting words in your mouth.

    Adobe.Rt? for ruritania ;)
     
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    Aug 29, 2005 4:16 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Claudio,

    Not that I've forgotten about this or our earlier discussions. But I know that JC has been somewhat exasperated about this situation too.

    Neil
     
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    Sep 16, 2005 7:29 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    > I, for one, do not wish to see them decay into another Lounge

    hmm...
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 4:17 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Claudio, I'm not a Spanish speaker, but on principle I am very glad you keep trying to get those forums moderated. Spanish and French speakers (and quite possibly speakers of other languages) should have this facility, properly administered.

    And I'm glad you pointed out the Lounge isn't all bad ;)
     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Sep 17, 2005 7:25 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Claudio, I tried to contact the POC for Adobe France. No answer. The POC for Adobe Belgium is the same.

    If only we knew who is in charge of those forum, the national sites, or UK/Netherlands (would be strange as there is no dutch forum...)

    The german forum seems to have more organization. Don't know if they have hosts/moderators.
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 10:35 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    The Germans are organised? Now there's a surprise ;)
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 10:49 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    >The Germans are organised? Now there's a surprise

    Have you ever tried to get a lounger by the pool after 7am? :D
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 10:52 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Maybe we need a Spanish- and French-speaking German to sort things out ;)
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 11:00 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Then none of them would be able to get a lounger by the side of the pool :(
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 11:02 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    I'd think they would forego that for some order being restored ;)
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 11:03 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    I went to a campsite once with people from all over Europe, there were big signs by the pool in several languages - unattended towels will be confiscated.
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 1:00 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    > Perhaps I should devote more time to those things[.]

    Gee, you think?
     
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    Sep 17, 2005 2:41 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    If the Spanish forums are no good, then don't use them. You act as if
    they are some sort of essential service like running water and
    electricity.
     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Sep 18, 2005 12:38 PM   in reply to Claudio González
    Yes, Claudio summarized the situation perfectly. He and I are lucky to know English well enough so that we can get all the help we want in the English speaking forums.

    Halas, there are a lot of Spanish and French speaking users out there that do not speak another language than theirs (I'm sure that a lot of Americans can relate ;) ). Don't they deserve the same service everyone gets in the "regular" forums?
     
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    Sep 18, 2005 6:51 PM   in reply to Pierre Courtejoie
    > Don't they deserve the same service everyone gets in the "regular"
    > forums?

    All of these forums exist at Adobe's whim. No one "deserves" any of it.
    If you want a forum built around the "public utility" model, try
    Usenet.
     
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    Sep 19, 2005 2:48 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    That's a bit harsh. Adobe have created forums for use but without supervision. You only have to look at the mud-slinging that occasionally goes on in the lower depths of the English-speaking forums to realise that this is a recipe for disaster.
     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Sep 19, 2005 3:55 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    Guy, I prefer to read you when you make contructive posts.
     
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    Sep 19, 2005 6:58 AM   in reply to Claudio González
    I would think that the best possible thing that could happen would be to find someone that spends time in the spanish forums that has an appropriate temperment that the host team would consider to be a good candidate for joining the team. Until and unless someone is in there with host rights, not much will happen. I've made my efforts in the past, and gave up any desire to help out due to some difficult temperments in people I was trying to work with. For better or for worse, that's where I'm at with it.
     
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