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Matthew Laun Employee2 538 posts since
Aug 11, 2002
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Dec 9, 2008 3:30 PM

InDesign CS4 launches with missing workspaces, keyboard shortcut sets, etc

Due to the mixture of multiple issues in this thread:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b6c639/
I'm starting this as a new topic to focus on the cases where InDesign CS4 users are able to launch and use the product, but are missing resources such as the following types of presets: Workspaces, Keyboard Shortcut Sets, and Swatch Libraries.

All reports of this issue appear to be related to user permissions. For these resources to to be accessed you must be running InDesign CS4 with an account that has read/write access to the following folder, including it's subfolders and all of their content:
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets

If you have a setup where you are running into problems getting resources from this folder to appear in InDesign CS4, and you believe your user account has read/write permissions to all of it's contents, please let me know as I'd like to work with you to find a solution.
  • Bob Levine Community Professional 17,575 posts since
    Aug 11, 2002
    I'm going to keep this at the top for the time being. If anyone has anything productive to add, feel free. But keep it on topic.

    Bob
  • Calculating status... 4 posts since
    Dec 10, 2008
    Hi Matt! If the issue is in regards to corrupted permissions in the "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets" folder, then couldn't the user go into the command prompt, simply type in:

    Windows XP:
    cacls "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets" \T \C \E \G Administrators:F
    cacls "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets" \T \C \E \G SYSTEM:F
    cacls "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets" \T \C \E \G All Users:F

    Windows Vista (Note: One of these switches does not work on vista, but I can't remember which one, either T, C, or E. Whichever one, when it gives the error, just remove it from the command line, leave the rest the same, and run it. Note that "\G" is "\Grant" in vista.):
    icacls "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets" \T \C \E \Grant Administrators:F
    icacls "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets" \T \C \E \Grant SYSTEM:F
    icacls "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets" \T \C \E \Grant All Users:F

    To give everyone/anyone who needs access (including the system) full control?
  • drakearmigate Calculating status... 11 posts since
    Sep 1, 2008
    Hmmmm I saw this prob today, and I tried to work out the differences between working as local admin and not.....

    I did notice that the folder Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\Adobe\InDesign\Version 6.0

    Contains an en_GB and an en_US folder....

    The GB folder was created when i gave the user admin priv. The US folder is the one that ID originally created...

    We are based in Australia, and our settings point to GB...... Could it be that for some reason, ID is forced to create a US folder when not a local admin, when in actual fact it should be creating a GB one?

    this was the only difference I noticed.
  • drakearmigate User 11 posts since
    Sep 1, 2008
    to better know... are users who are having this problem all based out side of the US?
  • Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Dec 19, 2008
    Hi I'm having the same problem...spoke to an adobe tech on the telephone and he said...go into c:/Users/User(or your main account name)/appdata(which could be a hidden folder...mine was)/adobe/roaming/indesign. Inside this folder theres a folder called version 6.0, rename this folder version 5.0 old then open indesign. This forces indesign to rewrite a whole new set of preferences for everything. At first I had some weird problems with admin privelidges but after a restart would let me rename it. It seemed to work all the keyboard shortcuts were assigned etc and has been brilliant since............

    Until today...when much to my disgust i find that it seems to have undone itself and the method i just explained no longer seems to work!!! so i'm stuck without shortcuts etc again?!! i'm at a loss....any ideas anyone?! Chris
  • Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Jan 3, 2009
    I still have missing workspace, ran program with Administrator permission, installed with full administrator permission.

    How to win this problem...

    Audi
  • Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Jan 5, 2009
    Happy 2009 to all.
    I've just started working on IDCS4 and try as I might I can't find the color swatches. The swatches panel is empty except the usual white and two black squares, and the swatches folder under presets has the usual files same as IDCS3. What can i do to see the swatches?
  • Calculating status... 2 posts since
    Jan 5, 2009
    Hello All! I'am sorry for my english - I'am from Russia and speak english too bad. Bat.... I own the solution for problem with shortcuts and default workspace. Are you ready? :)
    It's that simple. Click the right mouse button on "Indesign.exe" (default plae at "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\InDesign.exe"). In propeties window go to tab "Compatibilities" and set compatibility to "Windows NT 4.0".
    After that run InDesign and be happy! And you will not need administrator privelidges more!!
    Glad to speak you. Gorinich.
  • Peter Spier Community Professional 26,174 posts since
    Aug 11, 2002
    victor, since you are seeing the default [Paper], [Black] and [Registration] swatches, it's possible that the others were deleted with nothing open, making that the new default state. (You can't delete the "special" default swatches.)

    Replacing your preferences should fix that, or if you have an existing document that still has the swatches in it, you can load them from the swatches panel flyout menu with nothing open and they should be restored.

    Peter
  • Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Feb 8, 2009
    Hello,

    I think I have a similar problem in Indesign CS4.
    My shortcuts are all working, but randomly they don't. Just now ctrl+z doesn't work anymore, and from time to time the 'return' keyboard button doesn't work anymore either. I have had the same problem in Illustrator CS4 with the 'space' button.

    I have had this problem both at work and at home. At home I am the onl y account, and thus the administrator. At work I am not the administrator.

    Using Windows XP SP2 both at work and at home

    ps. when ctrl+z doesn't work and I go to 'edit > undo' then the key shortcut works again
  • Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Feb 26, 2009
    Thanks 4pgorinich, compatibility mode seemed to solve this. Anybody know if the compatibility mode causes other problems or is ti safe to use?
  • Calculating status... 4 posts since
    Mar 4, 2009
    Anyone aware of a missing file from:<br /><br />C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application Data\Adobe\InDesign\Version 6.0\en_US\Workspaces?<br /><br />Called Essentials_CurrentWorkspace.xml<br /><br />it's missing, colleague of mine said he copied it to the location above and it fixed the issue.  About to test myself shortly.
  • Peter Spier Community Professional 26,174 posts since
    Aug 11, 2002
    That sounds like a current workspace based on changes to the default Essentials workspace, which would be located in the directory where you installed ID, as in \Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets\InDesign Workspaces\en_US. I'm not sure it would actually be created, and potentially "missing" unless you were using the Essentials workspace and moved something or changed the panel view and closed the application or changed workspaces. CS4 keeps track of changes you make to named workspaces in your user profile with names like that.

    Peter
  • User 4 posts since
    Mar 4, 2009
    Disregard, my colleage didn't know that once you start up InDesign after making the change to the presets folder (granting full rights) that it creates the file.

    This is what I ended up doing to get it to work:

    Granted full rights to the C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Indesign CS4\Presets folder.

    Renamed the en_GB folders to en_US under:

    ...Presets\InDesign Workspaces
    ...Presets\InDesign Shortcut Sets
    ...Presets\Page Sizes
  • User 4 posts since
    Mar 4, 2009
    Found a "fix". Basically if you make a copy of the en_GB folders, and rename them en_US it works w/o having to give admin rights or anything. We're a shop that the typical user has power user rights, and if you rename the en_GB folder it won't allow someone with admin rights to access it. So if you create the en_US folders (copies of the en_GB folders) then ID seems to work fine. Has all the right workspaces, keyboard presets, etc.
  • Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Mar 13, 2009
    My Problem: Missing keyboard shortcuts in InDesign under Windows Vista.

    My fix (similar to 4pgorinich, but probably less dangerous):

    Go to InDesign.exe , Properties, Compatibility: At the bottom activate "Execute as Administrator" (or whatever it is in English, in German it is "Programm als ein Administrator ausführen").

    Now I have to confirm that I have admin rights every time I launch InDesign, but at last I have not only all keyboard shortcuts, including arrow keys, but all menus, tools etc. in German, which were in English before!
    My usual user account for Windows is an admin account anyway, so this does not bother me.

    btw, using a different Win user account did not work with me.

    Thanks a lot for all your help
    U.C.A.S.
  • Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Mar 27, 2009
    Missing keyboard shortcuts in InDesign under xp:
    Thanks from copenhagen to russia att: 4pgorinich/ the only fix that works for me. I even got my own language to work; including shortcuts, workspaces, online help etc.
    Hope the fix doesn't smashes anything else.
    So far so good. Thanks again 4pgorinich.
  • kate.brookes Calculating status... 2 posts since
    Apr 5, 2009

    I am running Indesign CS4 with a user account that does not have administrator rights to the computer.  All Users have full control rights to the Indesign Presets folder. 

     

    If I run InDesign as normal I get access to all of the standard toolbars, but my keyboard can’t do anything except type text (ie. Not even the “enter” or directional arrow keys do anything) I have noticed that if I press another key at the same time as the “Enter” key I get whatever key I pressed as well as a line break on the screen.  I’m not sure if that is relevant at all. 

     

    If I set the compatability mode as NT4 and launch InDesign I get access to keyboard shortcuts (ie. “enter” gives a line break, “control + c” copies, “control + v” pastes, etc) but I don’t get any of the toolbars automatically populating.  I need to open each toolbar manually, and repeat the process every time InDesign is reopened.

     

    Both outcomes are unacceptable but I can’t find any more tips on what to do.

     

    I’ve renamed the en_GB folder, which lead to an en_US folder being created when I launched InDesign.  This still had the same outcome. 

     

    InDesign runs without any issues if I log on as an administrator, but this is not a viable outcome as I need to deploy the software on a network where users do not have admin rights. 

     

    I’ve followed kb408055 with no success.

     

    I am in Australia and am running Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service Pack 2. 

  • davemachews User 67 posts since
    Jan 10, 2008

    will it be an issue if you have domain users set their application data on a network?

     

    We have this issue on one particular user on a particular machine.  If other domain users logged on tot he machine.  The shortcut works fine.  If this problematic user logs on another machine, shortcuts in INdesign works fine as well.

     

    Are there any other troubleshooting other than removing and reinstalling the user profile which is a bit of work because of all the documents.

  • Peter Spier Community Professional 26,174 posts since
    Aug 11, 2002

    Try just replacing the preferences for the problem user on the problem machine before you do anything else.

  • Miller Hare Ltd Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Apr 23, 2009

    Just to confirm that using the compatibility settings for Indesign.exe makes things work for us.

     

    Specifically, we see the problem with users that are in the Power Users local group (and that is, unfortunately, most of our users as some legacy software writes .ini files to the program files directory).

     

    Users who are administrators or normal users are fine.

     

    All users (regardless of membership) have read/write permissions for the Local Settings\Application Data\Adobe\InDesign\Version 6.0 folder in documents and settings.

     

    When it goes wrong, the prefs are all created under an "en_US" folder, due (I suspect) to a bug detecting the current locale settings. Since all the default settings are stored in "en_GB" folders, indesign doesn't find them and you start up with completely broken/empty prefs.

     

    Setting the application compatibility setting on the app (in our case to "Windows XP") causes the locale to detect properly and a "en_GB" folder is created for the preferences.

     

    The following .reg file corrects the problem on 64bit XP:

     

    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

     

    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Layers]
    "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Adobe\\Adobe InDesign CS4\\InDesign.exe"="WINXP"

     

    (remove the ' (x86)' from the path for 32bit XP)

  • Jason_M_B Calculating status... 6 posts since
    May 11, 2009

    After messing around with InDesign for a day I have found that the reason the shortcut and return keys don't work is due to a permission issue on a registry key. For some reason normal Users work fine but Power Users fail.

     

    The key is:

     

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Adobe\InDesign\6.0

     

    You need to change the Everyone permission from READ to Full Control

     

    I have had three machines with this issue and has corrected all of them.

     

    Cheers

     

    Jason

  • The Princeton Review TW Calculating status... 5 posts since
    May 12, 2009

    I've been communicating with Adobe Tech support for awhile now and they finally pointed me to this thread.  I am having similar problem as kate.brookes, except that:

     

     

    1) I am in Taiwan and running Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 3

     

     

    2) Setting the Compatability mode to other versions of Windows (Windows NT, Windows 2000) does NOT have any effect

     

     

    I too have tried renaming the en_GB and en_US folders, giving All Users Full Control to the Adobe InDesign folder, etc.; regardless, when ever my co-worker Jennifer logs onto her computer with her account, her keyboard cannot do *anything* except type text (i.e., the "Enter" key does not work, directional arrow keys do not work, CTRL-0, -, + keys do not recenter, zoom out, or zoom in, respectively, etc.).  If I log on as an administrator, InDesign works just fine; but like kate.brookes, having the user log on as an admin is not a viable option for us.

     

     

    I just tried the last suggestion on this thread (going into the Registry key for the 6.0 folder and giving "Full Access" to "Everyone")...still doesn't help any.  Any other suggestions??

     

     

    Thanks in advance,

     

     

    L.F. Lee

  • Jason_M_B User 6 posts since
    May 11, 2009

    You should download process monitor the old sysinternals now owned by Microsoft. You'll need to be logged on as the User and run process monitor as an administrator through the runas command. You need to look for access denied errors that show up which should point to the location of the problem.

     

    On another note check the registry key above and see if a language sub-key has been created.

     

    Cheers

     

    Jason

  • The Princeton Review TW User 5 posts since
    May 12, 2009

    Jason_M_B,

     

    Thanks for the quick reply.  I downloaded Sysinternals' Process Monitor, logged onto my co-worker Jennifer's computer using her account, and ran Process Monitor as an administrator via the Runas command. I then fired up Adobe InDesign and tried all the commands that haven't been working with her account; exited InDesign; and saved the Process Monitor's log file (which was quite large... a bit over 1GB in size after running for just 5-7 min or so).  I filtered out every other process except for the InDesign one, saved this as a CSV file, opened it in Excel, and then isolated everything with "Access Denied"; there are probably over 130 entries with "Access Denied", many located primarily in either C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\xxx or under various items in the Registry HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\xxx (though there are various "Access Denied" messages in other areas too).

     

    The next question is: how do I proceed from here?  Should I manually try to add Permissions (granting "Full Control") to Jennifer's account in all of those areas where access is currently being denied?

     

    Thanks in advance for any further advice/insight you can provide into this matter.  I really appreciate it!

     

    Sincerely,

     

    L.F. Lee

  • Jason_M_B User 6 posts since
    May 11, 2009

    Did you look in this key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Adobe\InDesign\6.0 ?

     

    to see if there was an en_ key created, if the language key doesn't exist it will cause problems.

     

    Cheers

     

    Jason

  • The Princeton Review TW User 5 posts since
    May 12, 2009

    Jason_M_B,

     

    Thanks again for the quick reply!

     

    The only items in the registry under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Adobe\InDesign\6.0 are:

     

    (Default)                                 REG_SZ               (value not set)

    Feature Set Locale Setting      REG_DWORD       0x00000100 (256)
    EPIC_SERIAL                        REG_SZ
    EPIC_NAME                          REG_SZ                user
    User Interface Locale Setting   REG_DWORD       0x00000002 (2)
    Installer Locale Setting            REG_SZ                en_GB

     

    (Hope I didn't mis-count the number of zeroes in some of those values...)

     

    Do I need to add another key or something?

     

    L.F. Lee

  • Jason_M_B User 6 posts since
    May 11, 2009

    The important key is this one:

    Installer Locale Setting            REG_SZ                en_GB

     

    This appears to be correct, can you tell me, is the user in question in the power users group or users?

     

    Do you put Domain Users in the Power Users group on the workstations?

     

    Cheers

     

    Jason

  • The Princeton Review TW User 5 posts since
    May 12, 2009

    Jason_M_B,

     

    Jennifer is a member of the built-in Domain Users group, which is what all staff members in our office are a member of. None of the staff
    are administrators on their workstations. I never assigned the Power Users group to anything; most everything on the Windows 2008 Server is on its default settings..

     

    Thanks again for your assistance.  I'm actually off work already (got off at 8 p.m., 15 min ago) and wouldn't mind staying and doing overtime to get this resolved, but unfortunately, I have an appointment to meet someone and cannot stay.  I hope we can continue this dialog tomorrow when I get back into the office (11 a.m. - 8 p.m.).  Apologies for having to run off...!  :-0

     

    Thank you again,

     

    L.F. Lee

  • Jason_M_B User 6 posts since
    May 11, 2009

    No problems, I woul add her to the power users just too see what happens.

     

    Cheers

     

    Jason

  • The Princeton Review TW User 5 posts since
    May 12, 2009

    Jason,

     

    Thanks for the update.

     

    Forgive my ignorance, I'm still relatively new and trying to get used to Windows Server 2008 and am not quite sure where the "Power Users" group is located. I'm in Active Directory and there are two default folders of groups, "Built In" and "Users"; these are the group types listed for each:

     

    BUILT IN
    Account Operators
    Administrators
    Backup Operators
    Certificate Service DCOM Access
    Cryptographic Operators
    Distributed COM Users
    Event Log Readers
    Guests
    IIS_IUSRS
    Incoming Forest Trust Builders
    Network Configuration Operators
    Performance Log Users
    Performance Monitor Users
    Pre-Windows 2000 Compatible Access
    Print Operators
    Remote Desktop Users
    Replicator
    Server Operators
    Terminal Server License Servers
    Users
    Windows Authorization Access Group

     

    USERS
    Administrator
    Allowed RODC Password Replication Group
    Cert Publishers
    Denied RODC Password Replication Group
    DnsAdmins
    DnsUpdateProxy
    Domain Admins
    Domain Computers
    Domain Controllers
    Domain Guests
    Domain Users
    Enterprise Admins
    Enterprise Read-only Domain Controllers
    Group Policy Creater Owners
    Guest
    RAS & IAS Servers
    Read-only Domain Controllers
    Schema Admins
    Terminal Server Computers
    TS Web Access Computers

     

    I made all staff members of both Built In > Users and Users > Domain Users.  I've skimmed through the descriptions, but didn't see anything saying "Power Users"...

     

    Thanks again,

     

    L.F. Lee

  • kate.brookes User 2 posts since
    Apr 5, 2009

    The complete fix from start to finish for my problem (InDesign CS4 launching without toolbars or keyboard shortcuts when logged on without Administrator priviliges) is below.  It's actually quite simple once you know how... The problem is just getting all of the information in the same place.  Hopefully it will help others having the same problem.

     

    1.        Install CS4 from the 2 installation CDs.  Allow a couple of hours from start to finish.

    2.        Log on with an Administrator account:

    a.        Navigate to “C:\Program Files\Adobe\”. 

    b.        Right-click on the folder named “Adobe InDesign CS4

    c.        Click Properties 

    d.        Click on the Security tab

    e.        Change permissions for Users to Full Control 

    f.         Click on the Advanced button and ensure that there is a check in both of the boxes (inherit and replace permissions). 

    g.        Click Apply to reflow the permissions

    h.        Click OK twice. 

    3.        Navigate to the following locations and rename each of the EN­_UK folders to EN_US:

    a.        C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets\InDesign Workspaces\

    b.        C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets\Page Sizes\

    c.        C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets\Start Page\

    d.        C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe InDesign CS4\Presets\InDesign Shortcut Sets\

    4.        With a user account, launch Adobe InDesign CS4 and immediately hold down Shift, Control and Alt together.  Click Yes to delete the InDesign Preference files.

  • ciArA_princess Calculating status... 2 posts since
    Jun 20, 2009

    i copied from cs3 shortcut set folder then paste into cs4, works gr8.

     

    From Program files- Adobe - indesign cs3 - Presets - InDesign Shortcut Sets

     

    Paste To Below folder

    Windows XP -
    Documents and Settings\[username]\Application Data\Adobe\InDesign\[version]\[language]InDesign Shortcut Sets
    Windows Vista -
    Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\InDesign\[Version]\[Language]\I nDesign Shortcut Sets
  • HarveyBlue Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Jul 9, 2009

    Had a similar problem after updating flash player in that all of my InDesign presets, shortcuts etc disappeared - even an uninstall and then a re-install didn't fix the problem.

     

    It was fixed by giving me full administrator rights to the whole of the programmes folder!!

    It appears that Indesign and perhaps Adobe has a number of files that it references throughout the machine and not neatly contained by its own folder.

    I hope this helps others

  • gmeisternz Calculating status... 3 posts since
    Aug 27, 2009

    Hi all,

     

    I'm working with InDesign on a Mac and have just encountered the same problem.

     

    Changing the name of the US_en file has helped to restore my tools and panels etc. However my keyboard shortcuts, arrow keys etc. still aren't working. Does anyone have a fix for this?

     

    Thanks heaps!

  • Peter Spier Community Professional 26,174 posts since
    Aug 11, 2002

    Did you actually go to Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts... and choose your set, or are you saying the defaults don't work?

  • gmeisternz User 3 posts since
    Aug 27, 2009

    Thanks for the response.

     

    The defaults don't work and I don't seem to be able to add any new ones. The arrow keys don't work on my keyboard either... I'm getting a little frustrated...

  • Peter Spier Community Professional 26,174 posts since
    Aug 11, 2002

    I'm afraid I don't have much else for you as I'm not a Mac troubleshooter...

     

    Does it work if you create a new clean user account?

  • elmarcel Calculating status... 1 posts since
    Oct 12, 2009

    We experience the same problems.

     

    Indesign starts with missing workspaces when a user doesn't have administrative rights.

    If I use the suggestions mentioned on the Adobe kb (giving users full rights on some Indesign folders), the workspaces show up but Indesign crashes when you try to save a document.

    If I adjust the compatibility mode to "Windows NT", Indesign also starts up with all workspaces but again crashes on saving a document.

     

    The only thing that helps are renaming the presets, papersize and "Shortcut sets" to en_US in the Indesign folder. Problem with this method is that all our users have american settings (letter in stead of A4) and picas in stead of mm as a default. We need the UK settings as a default.

     

    Does anyone have another suggestions we could try?

  • grammajof7 Calculating status... 2 posts since
    Oct 21, 2009

    Hi All,

     

    Can anyone help with this problem?  See - the tools are not showing.  The type is not showing. Thank you very much   Even brand new documents with black type selected will not show up.  Thanks for your help!

     

    Shot of InDesign CS4.jpg

  • grammajof7 User 2 posts since
    Oct 21, 2009

    Also, I am running Windows XP.  Thanks!

  • gmeisternz User 3 posts since
    Aug 27, 2009

    Speaking from my own experience (but the problem I had was a little different from yours and I was working on a mac) the only thing that hepled was reinstalling InDesign. I hope someone else with more knowledge than me can give you something a little more helpful!

  • Bob Levine Community Professional 17,575 posts since
    Aug 11, 2002

    Make sure you're patched to 6.0.4.

     

    Bob

  • Peter Spier Community Professional 26,174 posts since
    Aug 11, 2002

    You might also want to look at this tech note: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/408/kb408055.html

  • Elmosfishies Calculating status... 5 posts since
    Jan 25, 2010

    Hi all,

     

    I haven't read this whole thread, but have resolved the problem of missing keyboard shortcuts today.  For me, what worked was uninstalling InDesign, using CCleanup to cleanup the left over/corrupt registry files, then reinstalling.  I had tried pretty much everything in the help section on this topic, nothing worked (spent at least 5 hours on it!!!!).  All good now though. 

     

    BTW, I'm in Australia, not the US, not sure if this makes any difference or not. 

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