Hi Jim Simon - I told you we've had this conversation before, lol - or at least a very similar one. When I signed in recently, it asked for a username for some reason. I entered Typhoon859 but technically it's the same account. This is David "Kozar".
-Sorry for giving birth to this thread again but.. in a similar respect, this thread was continued here: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/419411?tstart=0
Just trying to point out that nothing ever changes XD
Hi. Sorry to revive this discussion again, but scanning through I think my specific question isn't quite answered:
I have a client who would like me to deliver in MKV format. Their playback system works best with that format, so it's what they want. (Just to be absolutely clear, I have no desire to edit MKV, I just want to export to that format.)
From what I have been able to find on other forums and FAQs, it looks like the thing to do is to export to some other format (AVI?) and use a freeware program to transmux to MKV. That seems a bit dodgy to me, but that's what I'll do if necessary. I would think it would be better to export directly from Premiere, so if anyone is aware of a plugin for this, I'm all ears.
Harm Millaard.... that's a pretty ignorant post. You do know that Matroska is being used by consumers (with over 40+ million downloads), as well as being used by CE companies like LG, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Western Digital, Sigma Designs, DivX just to name a few. In production is being used for Film Daily's, TV Series Tagging and Storage, Movie Production, Content delivery, again... just to name a few.
My point is get the facts straight as its far from obsure (imho)... and adding to to APP is a must.
its far from obsure (imho).
I would have to disagree. In the overall world of video, Matroska is extraordinarily rare compared to other file formats like .avi, mov, the various MPEGs and even .mxf. It's but a tiny blip on the video radar.
I should have clarified the point I meant "imho" is from a design perspective it has always been made for 'professionals' (Some of us are in the production field for broadcast TV) and with 3 years since our last release is Matroska 1.0 is pretty bullet proof in it's design and flexability. We do have a ways to go before we release 2.0 with better support for streaming and more advance menu support, but we do not want to hurt its current adoption rate and hence that we feel that is way past time for Premiere to support it.
We invite discusions on the opportunity and would even dedicate an engineer to make this happen. If anyone wants to see the technical side of Matroska, visit here: http://www.matroska.org/technical/index.html
We invite discusions on the opportunity and would even dedicate an engineer to make this happen.
Other than for the edification of us "users," this forum would likely not be the best place to hold the discussion. Adobe presence here is very limited, if it exists at all. However, we users can always stand to be educated. We may find benefits from using MKV, or, as the poster who reopened this thread did, may find that one, or more, of our clients requests it.
Many here handle the entire workflow and in so doing, determine the delivery package to their clients. Some, however, receive material, edit it, and then hand it off to someone else. These would be the most likely candidates, but the dictate for format comes from their clients, or from the next person in the production chain.
Most of us here are always ready to learn something new. Heck, there was a time that I did not know what JPEG2000 was, not that I use it much, even today. DNG was once a new format to me. Many of the newer Video formats and CODEC's are still not part of my vernacular - yet, but then I don't encounter them away from the forum.
I've read some articles on MKV, but have yet to grasp how it could help me. I feel that others are in the same boat. Can you give an abstract, that could give us "pointers" on the benefits?
Hunt, always curious
[Edit] As one who knows MKV, do you have any recommendations on how the poster, who re-opened this thread can best get their material into MKV format for delivery to their client? I made one rec., but it was based on suggestions in other fora and might not be the best route. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
PS in the edit of this post, it looks like I may have lost the block quoted text. If so, it should read "We invite discusions on the opportunity and would even dedicate an engineer to make this happen."
[Edit 2] Yep - block quote gone, but material still there. The first line of this post is the quote from the post to which I am replying - not my words, but another poster's. May have fixed it now. Or made it so ugly that no one will even bother with it...
Message was edited by: the_wine_snob Added [Edit] and PS
Thanks Wine Snob for your assistance.
Sorry I reignited an old debate. My 2 cents is I think it comes down to the difference between production formats and delivery formats. A professional producer wouldn't use DVD source material to edit (well, unless really hard pressed!) but it's quite reasonable for a professional producer to want to export to DVD as a delivery format since that is a format that consumers can use. Or perhaps a more apt example would be the fact that Premiere Pro allows me to export 3GP files for mobile devices, definitely a consumer format that should never be imported for editing, but very useful to have available.
From what I read, Matroska is intended as an end-user format - not intended to be re-edited, but I am told it gives high quality playback, e.g. for HD digital theatre. (I will find out for myself soon.) I don't think it's mainstream at all, but if it becomes more widespread, I think it would be reasonable for Adobe to add it to Media Encoder as an export option.
Sorry I reignited an old debate.
Let's change that to "an old discussion."
I only wish that I had more options for a converter. As I have never worked in this format, I cannot give you "first-hand" user info - only what I have read from others.
Fortunately for me, the only oddities are usually with regard to the Assets that I get handed. They are always "the ONLY copy of that file on earth... " Most of my delivery is straight forward - produce an SD DVD-Video. That's why I know almost nothing on MKV, but am always ready to learn.
I should have had the good sense to ask the poster, who recently responded to this thread for recs. on a converter/encoder for you. I assume that he/she at least has ties to MKV, so should also have knowledge of the best way to help you. I see that I need to make an [Edit] to one of my Replies, if still possible.
Good luck, and please update this thread with what you find works best. Someday, someone will benefit, especially if MKV becomes more mainstream, as some hope.
Ha! Yes "discussion" wouldbe the friendlier term.
Like you I actually often need to deal with less-than-ideal source material (if it's a rare enough shot, I'll try to make it work.) Luckily in this case the source is great; it's just the delivery format I'm unfamiliar with. But I'm used to working on the bleeding edge, so I'm happy to be a guinea pig, try stuff out and repost my findings.
A simple way to use high definition video (h.264) in a Matroska Wrapper (MKV video) is to transcode it to M2TS using a free tool called:
3 simple steps to use the video:
1: Open it
2: Change profile level to 4.1
3: Save and start muxing
Here is a nice blog post with more information.
In my opinion the reason why Premiere does not want to support MKV is because it is mainly used in the pirate world for copyrighted videos.
Good luck and creativity! :-)