I tried SUPER out as well, using the exact steps as provided. No dice there either.
I am EXTREMELY frustrated with Premiere. I've never really used it before, but was assured by Adobe Sales prior to purchasing it that it fully supported the 5D Mk II's output format. I can't do ANYTHING with it in Premiere. Considering what Premiere cost, I would have expected some functionality of some kind, but no dice.
Loading my video into a freeware app called VLC runs absolute circles around Premiere, which cannot even play the files without dropping five to ten frames for every frame played.
Yeah, Premiere is very disappointing in the way it handles (or doesn't handle) some files. Have you noticed that when attempting to play the original 5d2 files, premiere is hardly even using 30% of the total cpu usage but it's still choppy, and scrubbing through the timeline is almost buttery smooth? So it doesn't appear to be a cpu horsepower related issue, but rather the way premiere/quicktime interract with eachother.
Joe Chott wrote:
As it turns out, Cineform Neo Scene doesn't actually work. It makes things worse.
If you already have choppy video when you import 5D Mk II .mov files, expect them to be two to three times worse when using Cineform Neo Scene.
Try this: import the cineform files into Premiere, save the project, quite Premiere, reopen the project. Worked for me. Although when I uninstalled Neo Scene after my trial ended, it messed up my computer in some way I've yet to figure out, possibly a gamma flag or codec thing. Do NOT uninstall the trial using their uninstaller!!!
Right now, when I run video through Cineform Neo Scene, it just crashes Premiere the moment I import it. Every time.
After the crash, oddly, I can still save the project, but if I then load Premiere again and try to load that project, instant crash.
So ANYTHING I do with files exported from CineForm Neo Scene causes Premiere to crash.
I honestly don't see how the heck CineForm thought Neo Scene was remotely ready to alpha test, let alone beta test or charge money for...
Hey everyone, here is a link to my blog going over the FREE workflow that I use[:
Well, you can take it onto the timeline and render the lot and go to sleep for 5 hours. in Premiere Pro 1.5.1 , you can alter the speed of the clips on the timeline if it appears too unsmooth ?
Some if not all of the clips on a 35 min project was simply stunning. But, you need sometimes to watch the speed of say a car or tram and alter it to 85% as the Mark II canon 5D travels at 30fps and taking off the timeline unaltered can be unsmooth for a Canon HV 20 running at 25fps..
I believe some smart tech at Adobe can fix this simply , but, most techs on the phone verge on the incompetent.
I am getting there with the help of a top Aussie tech working on Edius they do work with CS3 sometimes , there is an answer out there. We work in Full high definition which does not come with the trial version of CS4 , how useless is that. The techs in melboune tell me there is an issue with mov. files in CS4 and they are working to fix that ??????????????????????
Let me know when it happens, because CS4 does not match the stunning video coming out of the Canon D Mark II ################
You sure have a problem. Adobe Aussie tech says there is a problem with CS4 handling mov files from the 5d and a patch will be issued.
I use a Pentium 4 3.2 GHZ running Premiere Pro 1.5.1 and the out put exported file to tape is stunning. But, I place all mov. clips on the timeline and render, it then runs smoothly, but, it takes 5 hours for 35 minutes of clips overnight.
I do need a quad core computer.
Ps. For any 1.5.1 uses still out there, if you have a c drive crash make sure the 1.5.1 upgrade is installed correctly otherwise it will not export to tape ???????
Yes, well you are right, Premiere Pro 1.5.1 will run smoothly after rendering but, it is slow and needs a quad computer. Pity about CS4 it has the same problem and Adobe Melbourne tech says patch on the way ????????????????????????????????
This 1.5.1 even after five years old will produce very good high definition video on a Sony Bravia 46" but, the rendering is slow.
There is a minor issue with this camera running at 30fps for smooth running on the timeline but, can be reduced by reducing clip speed by 84%
Unfortunately I do most my work on the road on a laptop so don't have a lot of time nor can I get a bigger computer. My laptop already runs 8 GB of RAM with Vista 64 and has two internal HDD's and one is solid state.
- I have no clue why PremierePro can't handle any Quicktime, could be that you have to install some additional plug-ins from MainConcept.
This is not quite the case. I'm working on a Project with over 100 .MOV files w/ the Animation CODEC, right from FCP. Not one problem on my PrPro PC. I have QT Pro 7.5.5.
Now, I have not tried to handle any H.264's, but have not had a reason to do so.
Just wanted to clear things up a bit.
I don't know what others are experiencing, but I just imported an mov file from my new 5D Mark II, dragged it to the timeline (where I got a yellow bar above it, clicked on Sequence\Render entire work area, and once the bar was green, the timeline played perfectly.
I used an AVCHD preset of 1080p, 30fps for the sequence.
The metadata for the clip shows Movie, 1920 x 1080(1.0), Alpha, 30.000 fps and 44100 Hz - 16-bit - Stereo.
The sequence shows 29.97 fps, 1920 x 1080(1.0) 48000 Hz - Stereo.
I didn't transcode, convert or in any way modify the original file. it is just as it came from the camera.
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1 TB eSATA RAID 10, 100GB scratch disk
Good setup, that has a big part in it.
I don't have RAID yet (just an eSata LaCie external for a media drive), but I convert my 5D2 files to AVIs with NeoScene, and that helps tremendously. If I pile on some effects it gets a bit choppy, so I'm hoping the future RAID setup will help there. I may use my eSata drive just for scratch at that point (experimenting...).
Jeff, on this page, scroll down to the comments, and the third comment has three links for original .MOV files that Vincent Laforet shot when he did his original Reverie short (that shot the 5D2 to stardom):
You can also right-click on the images on this page to download some original footage (just scroll down):
It's easy to find 5D2 video on the web already processed... getting raw .mov files is a bit harder. I can fill up a DVD and send it to you if you like. I can send some outdoor footage and some interior low-light clips as well... you can see how it gives the Red a run for its money in low-light. Shooting at f1.4 is wild too... one-inch depth of field for video! BTW, all 5D2 footage prior to June 1st (roughly) is shot on autmatic exposure, so pumping occurs in luminance changes. Then Canon released the manual exposure firmware so we could actually CONTROL the exposure and aperture (how 'bout that), but raw footage on the web after manual exposure was released is pretty rare I think.
OK, just yappin, back to work I go. Let me know if you'd like a DVD, I'd be happy (just takes burning a disc and mailing it, easy stuff). If not, you can at least get some idea of the file format with the download links above. I'd like to hear your take on it.
Thanks for the links. That should be enough to get me started. If I run into any issues and none of the 6 clips can break the tie, then I may ask again. I appreciate the offer of a DVD full of clips, but I'm set for now. Thanks.
I had the same problem, Adobe CS3 (or 4) is not capable of editing of Canon 5D HD footage!
Everytime the program crashed instantly....
I'm not going to waste my precious time and money on this software anymore!
today I have bought a eight core powermac with Final Cut Pro !
Adobe I want my money back! CS3 is NOT working as it should be!
By the way .....Pro's work with Mac's!
Welcome to the forum.
Everytime the program crashed instantly....
This is most likely an issue with your system, how it's set up, and other programs, etc., that are running.
Good luck with the Mac and FCP.
Thank you,I'm using Adobe software since a long time,
First Premiere 6.5, then CS2, and now CS3
My system is a brand new Pentium Quad Core with 8 Gig memory PC with onlyPremiere installed on it.I never had problems with editing before, till I changed to HD footage, A lot of other people on the forum are complaining about this same issue, so do they also have bad PC's ?I don't think so, I have installed my pc over and over again, everytime the same thingAdobe CS3 doesn't like the footage of the Canon 5D mark 2.... period.It's Adobe problem now, on my Arts Academy were I study
we are changing our workstations to Apple with FCP.Why? because Apple makes software that does the job, Premiere can't deliver whatit should do....good luck with trying to save your companies reputation, for me
Adobe has made a very big mistake with their upgrade policy and bad software.....
Adobe Encore can't even author DTS-HD files......Good luck!Best regards Maarten van Druten
I do not recall if it was during this thread, or another Canon 5D MK II thread, but Jeff Bellune was able to edit these files on CS4.1 on a PC, with no issues. Might want to look back, and also at other similar threads for Jeff's comments and possibly exactly how he did the editing with the test files provided.
Maarten, with all due respect, you're about 4 months late with the "no 5D2" support. I smoothly edit my 5D2 files with a simple conversion. Here's how:
Or use FCP and totally miss out on the seamless integration between Photoshop and Soundbooth and After Effects and Encore and Audition and Media Encoder and Fla.... shall I go on?
And you may write back and say that forums are griping that NeoScene messes up the audio so you have to re-time it, but that's been fixed as of August 12th. Your PC shouldn't crash, that's not an Adobe issue. If you do stay on Windows, get Windows 7, I can't stress that enough.
Hope this helps.
By the way It's Maarten (not Martin)I'm not going to pay another 99 euro's for another program only so I finally can edit HD footage in CS3.Adobe is NOT capable to make a software program now that works with HD footage, period.I rather pay 4000 dollars for a solution that really works without all the conversion rubbishTime is money.....Best regards,
the first feature-length film shot entirely on a DSLR camera.
Welcome in the new age of photographing or is it movie making?
By the way I'm also a professional photographer
Adobe is NOT capable to make a software program now that works with HD footage, period.
Another nonsense remark. A two year old program may not support all the latest codecs, but 4.1 does. HDV, AVCHD, P2, XDCAM, Red, in short all the common HD VIDEO camera's. That is does not support your still camera that came out after CS3 was introduced shows you are not realistic.
Hope you have a fat wallet when you go FCP/MAC, because MAC's are like hookers, they look sexy, they are pricey but not better. And $ 4K is not enough...
I forgot when does Adobe Encore finally can author DTS-HD files?
Though probably a subject best posted to the Encore forum, what is the issue that you are having with DTS audio in Encore.
First, you must remember that neither the DVD, nor the BD specs allow for DTS as a primary Audio stream. It can be used as a supplemental Audio stream only. I use it all of the time, with no issues, but use it as a supplementary Audio stream. Depending on what you are trying to do, this might be something that you'll need to take up with the various organizations that wrote the DVD and BD specs.
Can you not use DTS as a supplemental Audio stream? Have you tried with CPT files from the DTS encoder? What happens?
That right, the Canon 5D mark 2 came out after CS3, but were the free update patch?
Were is the professional service?
A lot of people already have paid a lot of money for the CS3 bundle, but it still doesn't do the job right....
Now we have CS4 and it still can't edit h264 mov files without problems!
I'm a student of a Art Academy Apple gives discount for students, believe me 4000 euro is enough
and I like expensive hookers, so long the do their job right
"Normal" DTS files work in encore but not the DTS-HD encoded files....
Because DTS-HD is optional doesn't mean that Adobe shouldn't have to support it in their software!
DTS-HD is one of the best and frequently used audio codec so why not support it?
Once again Adobe seems to think what is good enough for us customers, instead of listening to
what we really want.....
If you'd rather spend $4000 instead of $99, then the argument is over. Do what's best for you.
Also, I submitted my comment with your name spelled wrong, then immediately fixed it roughly 30 seconds later. Sorry I offended you.
I would say that seeing your interest is just complaining and not about what Adobe offers, continuing to post on this thread is pointless, you should go channel your energy into the solution you prefer.
I'm coming in to this late, so forgive if the topic has been covered.
Has anyone tried batch converting their 5D files to Lagarith for use in Premiere (using the MPEG hacked version of VirtualDub)? It works fine for DV. I don't see any immediate theoretical reason it shouldn't also work in this case. But I have neither the media nor the interest to test it out myself.
I do not recall anyone exploring this workflow. As there were also several other threads on the Canon 5D MK II files, maybe I missed it in one of them. Just do not recall mention being made.
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