Adobe Community: Soundbooth 1.0 Not Acceptable Audition Replacement

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1. Jeff Bellune,

Jul 28, 2007 5:59 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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Has Audition stopped working on your system?

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2. Jim Simon,

Jul 28, 2007 7:59 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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>The current version of Soundbooth is too limited and not capable of offering sound editing needed in truly professional filmmaking.

I think Adobe knows this. Soundbooth was designed more to make life easier for the video editor, who may not be a sound engineer and just wants to spark things up a little bit for his videos.

Personally, for a professional film editing environment, I would have gone with Avid Film Composer.

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3. (Bruce_Christensen),

Jul 28, 2007 9:23 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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The should have called "Soundbooth" something like "Audition Elements" to go with all of the other downgraded applications. I agree with you, this is not acceptable. However, I thought I did read on another site that Auditon CS3 is coming out later this summer.

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4. (Bill_Hawkins),

Jul 28, 2007 8:43 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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I think the point is that we pay for upgrades, not downgrades. It is offensive to have to purchase Audition to replace what we had before the "upgrade".

Installing Audition from CS2 Production Studio Premium does work after the upgrade. Just to be sure, I removed everything before installing CS3. I installed CS3, then Audition from CS2. Bridge and Gamma Loader are also installed by default.

Even though we use the license key from the old product to verify the upgrade, there is no problem with activating both the old and the new Production Studio simultaneously.

I expect that Adobe will rectify this soon. Hopefully, by then, they will have realized that they are really ticking off the customer base.

It occurs to me that when Audition 2.0 needs to be upgraded, we will have to purchase it separatly. In the mean time I would like for Soundbooth to at least function fully. But that is for another post.

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5. Geronimosan,

Jul 29, 2007 1:17 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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Thanks Bill, you nailed it. Production Studio CS3 costs the same as the CS2 version, yet the new sound editing software (Soundbooth replacing Audition) is horribly lacking in comparison.

It is widely known that amateur filmmakers disregard sound when it comes to movie making because they do not understand how important the role of sound is to the movie making process and for the viewer of the final movie. Unfortunately, with Adobe downgrading their filmmaking studio packages sound software from Audition to Soundbooth, they proved that they do not understand, or are ignoring, the needs of professional filmmakers, and thus moved their filmmaking studio software suite from a professional level to that of an amateur/intermediate level.

Furthermore, by unnecessarily creating two sound editing applications and including the lesser of the two into the $1200 filmmaking software suite and the better of the two as a standalone application, they are making it blatantly aware to us consumers that they care little about the true needs of filmmakers and care more about maximizing their profits. Those of us professional filmmakers who upgraded to CS3 and need multi-track audio editing, for example, are forced to now purchase additional sound software outside of our $1200 studio suite an application that was a member of this same suite in CS2 but is now a separate, profit earning stand-alone product in CS3.

It is sickening to see a company in which we have invested so much hope and money, while in the midst of better competition such as FCP and Avid, abandon the needs of their true customers for the almighty dollar. This is no longer acceptable, and I want compensation. You are selling the Premier Production Studio CS3 at the same price as the CS2 Studio, yet you have removed the much needed and fully functional Audition software and replaced it with a beta version of an extremely limited sound application called Soundbooth. I purchased the CS2 Studio for $1200 and upgraded to the CS3 Studio, and in light of how Adobe has jerked its customers around, I want a credit to my account for the cost of Audition CS3, which SHOULD have been in the CS3 Studio upgrade but was replaced by a beta piece of crap.

Adobe, it is time you stop following in the footsteps of greedy, money-grubbing A-hole corporations for pure profits, and remember who your clientele are. Either credit the cost of Audition CS3 to all Production Studio CS3 owners, or offer Audition CS3 as a free software add-on to us Production Studio CS3.

Prove to us that you are a company worth continuing investing in, and that we should spend another $800-1200 next year for CS4! If you cannot re-add Audition into the Production Studio, there is other software of similar cost that offers much more, such as Avid and FCP, for us professional filmmakers.

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6. Geronimosan,

Jul 29, 2007 1:31 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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Bill, how did you manage to install only Audition 2.0 from the CS2 Studio discs? I initially purchased the CS2 Studio package, and then upgraded to the CS3 Studio. I have all of the allegedly upgraded software from CS3, but want Audition from Studio CS2 because of the obvious reasons of Soundbooth being a beta piece of crap. Is there a way to install only Audition 2.0 from CS2 Studio? I've encountered dialogue that wants to install the entire CS2 Studio package, and I, for obvious reasons, do not want to eat up gigs of my hard drive with the other unwanted CS2 Studio apps that were allegedly upgraded in CS3 just to get Audition 2.0.

Any insight from you would be helpful, especially since Adobe has no helpful insight into these matters whatsoever.

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7. (Bill_Hawkins),

Jul 29, 2007 3:26 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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When you run the install, eventually you will get to a dialog that will allow you to chose which components to install. Simply uncheck all everything but Audition.

If you miss that and wind up installing everything, you can go to control panel and Add/Remove Programs. Select Production Studio and it will give you and option to remove all or only specific parts of the program. Leave Audition and kill the rest.

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8. (Connor_Roberts),

Jul 30, 2007 1:17 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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this is obvious, but i will say it anyway...if you are professionally editing sound for feature film or productions, you shouldn't be using adobe software anyway. adobe has NEVER been professional when it came to audio, and audition was in the same boat.

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9. (Bill_Hawkins),

Jul 30, 2007 4:27 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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I think that deserves some qualification. What features qualify a program (in your view) for production use? This is a serious question. I would like to know what I am missing that would make my work better or easier. Is there a specific feature set that we simply must have to be "professional"?

Please clarify. Thanks.

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10. (mudgel),

Aug 16, 2007 4:50 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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I too found this situation to be a pain but was able to successfully re-install Audition 2 on its own from the CS2 discs and activate it again and make it work no probs. Except nothing I read anywhere said that Adobe were doing this.

I also use several audio editors for my work. I find Sony's Sound Forge 9.0b complements my arsenal of software very nicely with Audition.

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11. Jim Simon,

Aug 16, 2007 12:44 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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I kind of agree with Connor on this one. I myself see the Adobe suite as very good software for the professional videographer, but I would lean more towards Avid for professional filmmaking.

The difference being that for a storytelling type of film, multichannel audio is half the experience, just as important (some argue even more so) as the image. But in the world of videography (which seems to be the intended market for Adobe) - weddings, corporate meetings, training videos and the like - sound just doesn't seem to play quite as large a role by comparison.

That's not to suggest sound quality or editing isn't important. It is to say that it may not require the specialized skill set of a motion picture sound designer. So I can understand the move to a simplified interface for the sound portion of videography.

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12. slocomb,

Aug 16, 2007 5:39 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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I went from CS2 (with Auditon) on a PC (upgrade-crossgrade) to CS3 on a new MAC. I can't use my PC disks anymore on a PC (had to certify they were destroyed) so what are my options for sound editing on a Mac besides the Fisher Price Soundbooth????

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13. Jeff Bellune,

Aug 16, 2007 7:17 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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>what are my options for sound editing on a Mac besides the Fisher Price Soundbooth?

Look here:

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/soundtrackpro/

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14. Thrill Media,

Aug 23, 2007 11:11 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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I must agree with everyone else...Soundbooth is a waste of HD space. I am going to see if I can replace it back with Audition CS2 as well. For those that have done so, does it still link correctly when using CS3?

Anyway, Adobe should be fully embarrassed with this product. Audition was 100 times better and I am gonna be unhappy to have to pay to upgrade to Audition CS3 to get decent audio software that works with my suite.

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15. (Connor_Roberts),

Aug 23, 2007 11:25 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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"I am gonna be furious to have to pay to upgrade to Audition CS3"

it's a separate programs and always has been. when you bought premiere pro in the past it never came with audition anyway, so why wouldn't you have to pay? adobe programmers have to put food on their tables too.

::: Connor

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16. Harm Millaard,

Aug 23, 2007 11:33 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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Incorrect. Audition was part of the Creative Suite Production Studio Premium and Adobe took it out, to be replaced by Soundbooth. For those of us who have used Audition, it is similar to having owned a Bentley and the replacement is a Trabant.

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17. Thrill Media,

Aug 23, 2007 11:37 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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Whaaaaa? Audition came with CS2. And because it's crappy? I imagine Adobe programmers had nothing to do with whether or not Soundbooth was ever engineered... I am thinking that came from the higher ups. At any rate it is Weeeeeak. Oh and dang it... you quoted me before I made an edit. :)

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18. (Connor_Roberts),

Aug 23, 2007 11:46 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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>Audition was part of the Creative Suite Production Studio Premium and Adobe took it out

Oh, I never buy the production bundle because it's always more...$1200 for the bundle, or $200 for premiere pro, $200 for after effects, $200 for encore, and $200 for audition...who cares about On-Location, it's worthless. so i'd rather pay $800 than $1,200 for full version.

>similar to having owned a Bentley and the replacement is a Trabant.

i had to look up what a "trabant" was...you should have said "Yugo", lol.

::: Connor

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19. Jeff Bellune,

Aug 23, 2007 11:52 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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>Adobe should be fully embarrassed with this product. Audition was 100 times better

It may be "100 times better", but it is also "100 times overkill" for a video editor.

I get into Sb, do my cleanup/edits/mix pastes quickly, and then get back to Premiere and AE. And you know what? Sb does as well with just a few mouse clicks as I could do with a couple of hours of fiddling with effects settings in Audition. I initially thought Sb would make a dull thud compared to Audition, but I have really grown to like the app. Give it a chance.

Audition is for audio heads. Sb is for video geeks like me.

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20. Thrill Media,

Aug 23, 2007 12:03 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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Hey Jeff,
To each his own, I wouldn't begin to tell you which programs to use and I was speaking from my POV. If you like it, use it! :)

Also, don't speak for all of us video geeks please! :)

I certainly do qualify as such and although Audition took a day or so to learn, so does AE, PP, PS etc. SB should be grouped with the elements suite. Audition suits me better, that's all. Anyway, I just re-installed it and so I will get back to work now.

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21. Jeff Bellune,

Aug 23, 2007 12:47 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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>Also, don't speak for all of us video geeks please!

I wouldn't dream of doing that - I was speaking for video geeks like me. :)

I was never willing to invest the time to learn Audition well enough to get the most out of it. Sb came along and, except for the absence of multitrack linking to Premiere, pushed Audition to the back of my toolbox.

Like you said, to each his own. I just don't see the need for Adobe to be embarrassed about Sb. :)

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22. Thrill Media,

Aug 23, 2007 1:53 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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OK...maybe not embarrassed but I still think it belongs with the elements gang. ;)

Cheers Jeff!

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23. Jeff Bellune,

Aug 23, 2007 4:28 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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Cheers, Curtis! :)

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24. (David_Regenthal),

Aug 26, 2007 8:01 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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sure would be nice to click and identify/edit right (or left) track seperately . . .

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25. Jeff Bellune,

Aug 27, 2007 4:35 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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I think the best you can do for now is File>Export>Channels to Mono Files.

It's a good feature request, though. Please file your FR here:

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

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26. (design9),

Nov 14, 2007 11:21 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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I have been using Audition 2 on my Windows workstation but recently purchased a Mac Pro workstation and so had to upgrade to Mac OS Production CS3. I was dumbfounded when I started up Soundbooth. I was thinking the same thing after trying to figure out where on earth the tracks were, that this was like photoshop elements compared to PhotoShop. There is no Audition for Intel based Macs, so I'm stuck having to work betweeen two computers. What is the deal Adobe! I hope your other production programs aren't going to follow suit!

Dissatisfied customer

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27. (Connor_Roberts),

Nov 14, 2007 8:06 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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Mac's can run Window XP or Vista natively from boot, so why didn't you do that? Then install Production Premium CS3 for Windows, (uncheck Soundbooth during installation), then manually install Audition afterwards. Works great on my iMac...I hardly ever even boot into MacOS. Why would I? since XP runs faster on intel Macs than their own MacOS anyway.

::: Connor

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28. slocomb,

Nov 15, 2007 8:27 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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That is a really expensive way to deal with the issue buying those two programs would be way over $1000) since I already have the Mac package. Why not offer a Audition upgrade for say $100 for purchasers of the package-in a Mac version of course.

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29. (Connor_Roberts),

Nov 15, 2007 9:19 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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Well I was ofering something you could do now. Adobe will not offer it for $100, it just isnt going to happen, at least nothing like that until at least CS4 comes out, so for now, you could have gotten the Windows package and run it on your Mac, runs faster than MacOS, so maybe you could sell your Mac version and buy the Win version for now. Many people who are "switching" from PC to Mac are buying intel Macs are running Windows, so they arent really switching at all, except hardware.

Anyway, if I were you I'd sell the Mac verison, get the PC package. Or just call Adobe, see if they will swap it out.

::: Connor

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30. (James_Fogle),

Dec 22, 2007 4:37 PM in reply to Geronimosan

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I agree with all the people that think SoundBooth in the production premium update release is a step back. Not at all equivalent to Audition. It is unusable to me without the features that Audition has. I feel that I have been had by Adobe. The last time I will upgrade to a suite without seeing what has been left out of the previous release. Maybe I will have to update to just the items I will use at the moment. I wish I had read all the comments posted here before buying, as I would not have purchased it.

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31. (Alan_Fux),

Dec 27, 2007 10:12 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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Soundbooth is terrible - plain and simple.

If adobe wanted to make a 2 channel wave editor based on audition, there are A LOT of obvious things they neglected. Some especially bothersome ones that stick out for me: you cannot preview audio before opening, you cant set cue points to indicate a selection (you can only set a single cue point at a time), you cant REVERSE AUDIO??? as far as i could tell anyway. just look at cool edit 96, way before cool edit had multi-tracking it was a 2 channel wave editor and had everything you would want!! and this was in 1996. and here we are in 2007/08 and adobe springs this crap on us, Soundbooth is all glitz with no meat.

Audition is an amazing program.
if its not broken dont fix it... just make it available on OS X. PLEASE!!

i paid digidesign a kings random for pro-tools which i don't even like, adobe doesnt seem to think they could have my money instead of digidesign. they totally could have. i would pay double for a hardware-dongle version of audition for OSX. triple. just because others aren't outspoken doesn't mean they feel differently. i know a lot of people who wish they werent obligated to use pro tools. i wish some other company bought cool edit instead of adobe.. seriously!

As far as '2 channel wave editors'. just use audiofile wave editor, its like soundbooth but not lame, and works great on OS X. still sucks compared to audition.. but what audio program doesnt?

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32. (PBurn),

Dec 31, 2007 7:37 AM in reply to Geronimosan

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Our IT Contractor supplies us with full versions of new releases, not upgrades so we paid dearly for Production Suite Premium CS3. I wanted PPRO 3 because of that feature where I can open the audio portion of a full clip in the bin, correct/balance it then not have to mess with it on the time line. I was dismayed the first time Sound Booth opened, revealing its worthlessness (unless supplemented by VST plug ins).

Ozpeter posted this:

See http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3bc4b9d8/5 for details if you're not already well aware of this.

The VST Plugins do make SB more flexible.

Peter B

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