Zeno Bokor wrote:
who cares where it is?
I care. I started in computers when every application was different, and you had to manually think about how to save, print, edit, copy, etc., with every program. Lotus was different than WordPerfect, and so on, and so on. Sure, it only takes me a half second to move my mouse from the top right, where it instinctively goes to the top left, once I realize I am in a brain-dead piece of software. But multiply that half second by the number of times in a day it happens, and by the number of users, and the time lost becomes sufficient.
Apple invented (or popularized, they didn't invent much) the concept of consistent user interfaces, and were making big inroads into Microsoft, causing Gates to move to the Windows platform, which also had a consistent user interface. Which makes me glad, because I don't want to go back to the myriad of different ways to do common tasks.
Zeno Bokor wrote:
care to give a link to prove that?
Recent statement by John Nack on his blog*, and Microsoft's own numbers.
*[Hang on: no one talked about the Mac representing 1/10th of Adobe's business. Last time I checked, Creative Suite sales were roughly 50/50 Mac/Win. … --J.] —March 4, 2009.
Zeno Bokor wrote:
care to give a link to prove that?
Care to be a little less confrontational and more civil in your attitude, Mr. Bush?
Geeze… you're probably the one forum user that I would most frequently punch in the nose if you were within arm's reach.
Maybe it's just the translation of Bokor = Bush in Hungarian.
Ramón G Castañeda wrote:
Kath-H wrote:
Some of us are Mac users. Deal with it.
Yup, about 50-60% of the users and buyers of the applications in the Creative Suites, as a matter of fact.
Totally OT to this thread, but if this is true then why the heck did they move all the stupid panel close buttons to the right-hand side in CS3?!? Now *that* is something that annoys me (and which would seem imminently fixable).
I predict no attempt will ever be made to fix Don's issue because it's too much of a pain for the web designer to try and figure out what OS you are on and spawn a different close box position based on that.
Eric @ MCA wrote:
then why the heck did they move all the stupid panel close buttons to the right-hand side in CS3?!? Now *that* is something that annoys me (and which would seem imminently fixable).
We complained until we were blue in the face during the public and not-so-public beta testing periods, but were met with arrogant replies from the Photoshop Senior Photoshop Program Manager to the effect that
"this has nothing to do with Mac or Windows, it's about the Photoshop interface. It's Photoshop, period."
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it's too much of a pain for the web designer to try and figure out what OS you are on and spawn a different close box position based on that.
Which is why it never occurred to me to complain that some of the Close buttons are on the right (after inserting an image via the camera icon, for instance). When sharing a space with people using a different OS you just have to get used to stuff like that, it's no big deal.
D. McCahill wrote:
Kath-H wrote:
Some of us are Mac users. Deal with it.
So it is a Mac thing. That explains it.
I didn't realize that Jive had its roots in Mac.
No, it's a web thing. Look around the web, you will find a million examples of ajax image viewers--some with the close box on the left and some on the right both and some on the bottom and some on the top.
If you hate Mac, fine. If you hate Jive, fine. However, please do not attempt to cast aspersions of Jive-ness on the Mac platform, thank you very much!
If I had to characterize it, I would say (generally speaking) that it is a JavaScript thing. I know of no other programming communities that like to avoid standard GUI practices as much as Flash and JavaScript folks. Again that is a VERY generalized statement and certainly does not apply to all Flash & JavaScript coders.
I thought I had seen something posted somewhere for hiding the side bar (Actions, More Like This, Popular <whatever>, etc...) but I can't find it today. Or maybe is was a JavaScript-only solution. Anyway, for those of you using the Stylish add-on for FireFox, here is some CSS to do it.
/******************************************/
/*** Adobe Jive Forums - Hide Sidebar ***/
/******************************************/
/* Author: Mark A. Boyd */
/* Placed in the public domain 2009-05-20 */
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);
@-moz-document domain("forums.adobe.com") {
/*** Discussion pages ***/
#jive-body-maincol {
margin: 0 !important;
}
#jive-body-sidebarcol-container {
width: 0 !important;
display: none !important;
}
/*** Overview pages (index of subjects/topics) ***/
.jive-body-layout-s {
width:0 !important;
display: none !important;
}
#jive-body-layout-ls .jive-body-layout-l .jive-widget-container-large {
margin-right: 0 !important;
}
}
As always, be sure to turn off all "Usability tweaks" before providing feedback about the forum appearance/performance.
And don't forget to check Eric @ MCA's "heavyboots" collection for more.
This is an AdBlockPlus Export text file of all the filters I have currently active:
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greenjumpyone wrote:
Bob_Peters wrote:
Unfortunately, user-generated tweaks should NOT be needed!
I do agree with that! Tweaks are fine for customizing your surfing, but should not be *needed* just to make the forum significantly more usable.
I think we all agree with that, Hopper.
However, my feeling is that—with the tweaks—the forums are performing well. Not perfect, but a far cry from what it is when I turn off the tweaks!
One can also be picky, fussy, demanding, finicky, fastidious, exigent, challenging and taxing while helping a lot of other people as well.
Except that this way one can also contribute to the progress, advancement and enhancement of the forums in ways the adaptable conformists do not.
I know you understand this and are just trying to be your old annoying difficult self while claiming to be adaptable. The irony…
I already posted this elsewhere, but for the sake of consolidation and so I can refer to this in another thread...
This style sheet serves to bring the bottom footer breadcrumb links closer to the last reply in the thread. It also hides the Go/Reply to Original link, but you can delete or comment that out if you wish.
/****************************************************/
/*** Adobe Jive Forums - Raise Footer Breadcrumbs ***/
/*** and Hide 'Go to/Reply to original post' ***/
/****************************************************/
/* Author: Mark A. Boyd */
/* Placed in the public domain 2009-05-09 */
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);
@-moz-document domain("forums.adobe.com") {
/* Raise the breadcrumbs */
.jive-thread-messages {
margin: 0 !important;
}
/* HIDE the 'Go to/Reply to original post' */
#jive-thread-reply-footer {
display:none !important;
margin: 0 !important;
}
}
As always, remember to turn off all tweaks before providing feedback about performance/appearance of the forums.
See also:
FAQ Can I over write the forums style sheets to change the layout?
(or http://forums.adobe.com/thread/416419 for email recipients)
Eric @ MCA's heavyboots collection (Eric, feel free to add this if you like)
Mark:
See also:
FAQ http://forums.adobe.com/thread/416419
(or http://forums.adobe.com/thread/416419 for email recipients)
Reading this in my mail client, those two links are identical. What is supposed to be the difference?
Noel
Sometimes internal links get truncated to relative non-links such as /thread/416419 in the email notifications. I am not clear exactly when that happens, so I guess I am erroring on the side of usability here.
I suspect it happens if I copy/paste the link as presented on the Web forum. Or maybe it only happens when the source link is also a bolded title or a forum title itself. Let's try a couple:
Can I over write the forums style sheets to change the layout?
And this was part of the distraction. It's all CSS so you can still have JavaScript turned off for speed.
It's not quite ready for prime time, either. Nor is the one I may end up using (green on black similar to the old monochrome monitors).
Anybody know of any threads with multiple embedded quotes? I can only find some with three levels, but the system supports up to four by default. Just thinking about alternate colors for the quotes.
well i didn't get to post it last night with a writeup and all like i wanted. went to see 'night at the museum: battle of the smithsonian' with the family instead.
so for those of you who are familiar with it and have wanted it for a while (ramon!
) here's the script. copy this text, save it in a file called: afPlonkJive.user.js and load that into greasemonkey (you can follow the instructions for loading on this page: http://www.milbut.org/afPlonk.html including the instructions on how to edit the script to place the names in that you want to plonk (replace the names in the array under the comment "// array of names to plonk"). i still have hte issue of not being able to grab names with non-english characters (again, ramon!
) but that can wait a bit... otherwise it yanks the entire message from the users in the list.
code follows (hope this works):
// afPLonk user script
// version 0.5 BETA!
// 2009-06-11
// Copyright (c) 2009, Dave Milbut
// Released under the GPL license
// http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
//
// --------------------------------------------------------------------
//
// This is a Greasemonkey user script. To install it, you need
// Greasemonkey 0.3 or later: http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/
// Then restart Firefox and revisit this script.
// Under Tools, there will be a new menu item to "Install User Script".
// Accept the default configuration and install.
//
// To uninstall, go to Tools/Manage User Scripts,
// select "afPlonkJive", and click Uninstall.
//
// --------------------------------------------------------------------
// History:
// Version 0.2 fixes an array index issue.
// Version 0.3 adds the ability to do differnt plonks to differnet users
// Version 0.5 does it for the Jive based forums. File also renamed from
// afPlonk to afPlonkJive
//
// --------------------------------------------------------------------
//
// ==UserScript==
// @name afPlonkJive
// @namespace http://milbut.org
// @description script to plonk specific users on every adobe forums page (jive based forums)
// @include http://forums.adobe.com/*
// @exclude http://diveintogreasemonkey.org/*
// @exclude http://www.diveintogreasemonkey.org/*
// ==/UserScript==
//names in the list should be surrounded in quotes
// and comma delimited (seperated).
// add names to the list by adding a comma then
// the name in quotes to the end of the list...
// like the below ',"Sample Name"'
// Remove names by removing the name from the array.
//
// array of names to plonk
var arPlonks=new Array("aname to plonk", "another name", "still another name etc.");
//get all divs... find the "jive-author" classed
var allDivs= document.getElementsByTagName("div");
var name;
//for each name in the plonk array
for (var j=0; j < arPlonks.length; j++)
{
name=arPlonks[j]; //get a name
for (var i=0; i < allDivs.length; i++) //loop through the div tags.
{
if (allDivs[i].className == "jive-username-link-wrapper") //find the username wrapper div
{
var el=allDivs[i]; // temp user name div element storage
var aels=el.getElementsByTagName("a"); //get all the a tags in the wrapper
if (aels[0].innerHTML == name) //if the innerHTML matches the name (this is where the user's name is displayed in clear text)...
{
//alert(foundUser.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.innerHTML); //dm: debug only
// use style.display attribute to hide the entire message div. yipee!
aels[0].parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.style.display="none";
}
}
}
}
return; good luck, dave
speed seems better or worse depending on current forum speed. i noticed when it seemed slow to me i turned greasemonkey off and reloaded and the page was still slow to load. when the forum is working at a reasonable (normal slow, not abysmal slow) pace the script doesn't seem to take any longer than just loading the page...
there seems to be a weird char in that link. just strip off the last funky A char... and it works. http://www.milbut.org/afPlonk.html
note that that link DOES NOT contain the new script, you can only get that in the above message for now.
Very cool, dave!
I was messin' around with XPath, thinking it might be faster than looping. My work got in the way just about the time I learned how to identify the user with it (but I think you found a better class name than I did). Then there's that whole learning curve thing for me (only dabbled with JS from time to time).
Thanks!
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