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Ability to split a scanned book that has two pages per scan

May 28, 2009 12:09 PM

I want to be able to split a pdf page that I have scanned into pdf from a book that was open-faced when i scanned it (so it shows two pages). I want to somehow split each individual page from one page into two pages in acrobat. There is the crop utility, but it only crops the one page and deletes everything else. I need a split functionality on a per page level. Is this possible without have to scan each individual page and taking twice as long?

 
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    May 28, 2009 1:15 PM   in reply to dsmallz

    You can crop the file twice, once keeping the left side and once keeping the right side.

    Then you will have two PDF files: one with the odd numbered pages and the other with the even numbered pages.

    Now you will need to combine the two. You can do this manually by dragging the pages from one file to the other, but if you have long files you might want to consider my Combine Even-Odd Pages script (http://try67.blogspot.com/2008/12/acrobat-combine-even-odd-pages.html).

    If you're interested in it, contact me by email or a PM.

     
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    Jun 11, 2009 8:13 AM   in reply to dsmallz

    Hi dsmallz, I have the same problem. Were you able to find a bit more "automated" way than cropping each page manually? I have quite a big file scanned in this way - it would take ages to crop all the pages manually.

    Thanks for the info.

     
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    Jun 11, 2009 8:54 AM   in reply to dsmallz

    OK, thanks for your quick answer. Regards, Radek.

     
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    Jun 11, 2009 11:03 AM   in reply to RadekU

    You can also do the crop and save for the 2 parts, then put them back together with odd in front of the even section. Then simply write a JavaScript to change the page order. I am pretty sure this can be done, but you might have to ask in the scripting forum about how to write such a script.

     
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    Jun 11, 2009 1:18 PM   in reply to Bill@VT

    Thanks Bill@VT. I am doing it this way but it takes time... Thanks for advise. Regards, Radek.

    Best regards,

    Radek

     
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    Aug 20, 2009 5:43 PM   in reply to dsmallz

    This method isn't completely automated but I think it's easy and quick.

     

    1. With your original PDF opened use the export > images command to export all your pages to a new directory.

    2. Go to that directory and copy all the files and paste in the same directory.  Vista will rename the copy to "??? - Copy" but the key is the files will be in order. If you have WinXP you may have to copy the files twice because I think XP will put "Copy" first in the file name.

    3. Select all the files, right click on them and select "Combine supported files in Acrobat..".  Now you have one PDF with each page duplicated back to back.

    4. Use the crop tool to crop the left side of all the odd pages.

    5. Use the crop tool again to crop all the even pages.

     

    Now you should have one PDF the way you want it!

     
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    Aug 20, 2009 11:32 PM   in reply to SaintPablo

    Thanks SaintPablo for your advice.

    Radek

    Best regards,

    Radek

     
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:34 PM   in reply to SaintPablo

    Can you explain in more detail how this might work in Windows XP?  I tried it but the files are renamed copy of ***  and copy (2) of ***.

     
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:05 PM   in reply to RadekU

    Try the script that was posted in the second post. I didn't see most of these posts when I answered and do not know where the order of posts came from. Anyway, looks like you might have a solution. If it works, please post that information for the rest of us. It also helps to acknowledge the help from folks like try67 who provided the script posting.

     
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    Sep 10, 2010 3:58 AM   in reply to dsmallz

    A much easier way is to print the PDF to a PDF, and select to split large pages in the page handling part of the print options.

     
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    Oct 19, 2010 5:07 AM   in reply to dsmallz

    Hi -  I tried Chrystal's suggestion, ie., print the pdf as a pdf, and select "split large pages".  The problem: there was no option to "split large pages"...  These were the options under page handling:

     

    None

    Fit to printable

    Shrink to printable

    Tile large pages

    Tile all pages

    Multiple pages per sheet

    Booklet Printing

     

    It seemed like "tile all pages" or "tile large pages" might be the solution, but I couldn't figure out any settings that would work.  Ideas?

     

    Thanks

     
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    Dec 19, 2010 1:56 PM   in reply to dsmallz

    I have a 600 page book scanned in the two page manner you described. (It was an old book that is no longer in print and can't be purchased, so I borrowed my friend's copy to scan.) Following is what worked for me. I will try to give step by step instructions for a novice, so please understand that if you are an advanced user, it is not my intention to insult your intelligence. There are probably better ways to do this. This is the kind of instructions that I appreciate for myself.

     

    Now, let's try it:

    1. First, copy your original scanned book file to another folder on your computer and use this copy to experiment with. Then if there is a problem or if something goes awry, you will still have your original scan.

    2. Open your scanned book in Adobe (I am using Adobe 9.0 on a 64 bit Win 7 machine) and click on the "Pages" icon on the upper left of the black screen.

    3. Click on the first page of your scanned book, then press and hold the "Shift" key on your keyboard and scroll to the last page of your book in the left pane and click it. This will select all the pages.

    4. Now that all the pages are selected, click on the little "gear" icon that is located at the top of the pane above the selected pages and then select "Crop Pages" from the menu. From the dialog box that appears, experiment with entering measurements in the top, bottom left and right boxes until the image is centered and will split evenly at the center of the page break on the scanned book. (When I scanned my book, I aligned the left page with edge of the scanner with each scan, and the result was that the center of the scanned book was not the same as with the center of the scanned image since the scanner bed was a little larger than the book layed face down, thus resulting in the necessity to crop the image to make the center of the book even with the center of the image to be split.) As you enter different measurements in the boxes, you can see a preview of the results on the image. It might be necessary to "grab" the "Crop Pages" dialog box and move it to another area of your computer screen so you can see the scanned image. When you have the image cropped to your satisfaction, click "Ok".

    5. Now we must set up the printer dialog to correctly print your book to an Adobe file. (Not on paper) (Note: When you are finished printing your book to the new Adobe file, it might be necessary to go back and change all your print settings to their original status.)

    6. On the very top of your screen on the left side, click "File" and from the resulting menu, choose "Print Setup". From this dialog, click on the little downward pointing triangle to the right of the printer name that is highlighted. Click on "Adobe PDF"

    7. Before closing the "Printer Setup" dialog box, click on the small downward pointing triangle in the highlighted box next to the "Size" setting. About halfway down the list of various paper sizes, click on "Half-sheet Letter", then to the right in the Orientation area, click the radio button for "Landscape" and then click "Ok".

    8. We are now ready to print to an Adobe PDF file which will literally split your two pages per sheet book into a one page per sheet book. From the same "File" menu as before, click on "Print".

    9. About 2/3 down the"Print" dialog box, click on the highlighted bar next to "Page Scaling" and then click on "Tile all pages" from the displayed menu. Note: The preview image shown on the right side of the "Print " dialog box should now show you an image of just where the pages will be split. (Reminder: When you are finished printing your book to the new Adobe file, it might be necessary to go back and change all your print settings to their original status.)

    10. You are now ready to print your book to a PDF file with individual pages. Click on "Ok" to print your file. From that you can print a hard copy or whatever.

    11. Hope this works as well for you as it did for me.

     
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    Dec 19, 2010 3:07 PM   in reply to IBFamily

    Thanks IBFamily for taking the time to share this.

     
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    Dec 19, 2010 5:42 PM   in reply to RadekU

    I tried the tile printing in AA9 and it worked like a charm.I had to select cut marks. When I printed, the pages were smaller. So I cropped all odd pages and then all even pages to fit the page. I then printed to a new PDF with Fit to Printable Area Selected and paper selected to be letter paper. You may have to play with this a bit for it to work correctly, but seems to do the job relatively quickly. I would suggest saving a few pages of what you are working on to a new file and playing with that until you get what you want. Neat idea. There are probably other ways to do the job also, but this one works with the TILING! Thanks for the hint.

     
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    Dec 20, 2010 5:23 AM   in reply to Bill@VT

    Great, Bill@VT, I am so pleased that you found a way to make it work for you!

     
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    Dec 20, 2010 5:57 AM   in reply to RadekU

    RadekU, you are welcome. This was the first post I've ever made to a forum, and I was hoping that it might be helpful to someone. Actually, I want to give credit to all the other posts before mine, because I picked up clues from their suggestions and then figured out what would work for me. So thanks to each of you who posted previously. This is a group effort.

     
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    Dec 20, 2010 8:53 AM   in reply to IBFamily

    That is why the forum works. Folks like us hang out (sometimes too much) and glean ideas from what others post, enabling us to provide useful suggestions when needed. Yours worked like a charm. I have needed it in the past, but never noted the tiling aspect. It takes some playing with, but does the job. I could not find any equivalent for processing in preflight. Thanks again. Bill

     
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    Dec 20, 2010 10:29 AM   in reply to dsmallz

    Hi folks,

     

    Sorry, I've puzzled through this, and as far as I can figure out this only allows you to print every other page.  You've cropped out all of the pages on the left or right side, and I don't get how to make those also print as pages.

     

    Any help is greatly appreciated.

     

    Thanks,

    Jon

     
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    Dec 20, 2010 10:45 AM   in reply to Jon E P

    Printing with the tiling as suggested is the first step. It will split the page into the tiles. For a landscape tile you can get 2 sheets per page. The new file will have 2 times the number of pages. You then need to crop the even and odd pages independently to get the desired result. After that step, you may need to print again to get rid of the cropped material and to get the page to fit the full page size you normally would use (typically Letter or A-4). Getting it to work is the first step. Optimizing the process is the second step if desired.

     
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    Dec 20, 2010 12:12 PM   in reply to IBFamily

     

     

     

     

     

    How do I send all the replies of this thread (such as the one below) by email  from this forum after the fact ?

     

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    13. Dec 19, 2010 2:56 PM in response to: dsmallz
    Re: Ability to split a scanned book that has two  pages per scan

    I have a 600 page book  scanned in the two page manner you described. (It was an old book that is no  longer in print and can't be purchased, so I borrowed my friend's copy to scan.)  Following is what worked for me. I will try to give step by step instructions  for a novice, so please understand that if you are an advanced user, it is not  my intention to insult your intelligence. There are probably better ways to do  this. This is the kind of instructions that I appreciate for myself.

     

    Now, let's try it:

    1. First, copy your  original scanned book file to another folder on your computer and use this copy  to experiment with. Then if there is a problem or if something goes awry, you  will still have your original scan.

    2. Open your scanned book  in Adobe (I am using Adobe 9.0 on a 64 bit Win 7 machine) and click on the  "Pages" icon on the upper left of the black screen.

    3. Click on the first page  of your scanned book, then press and hold the "Shift" key on your keyboard and  scroll to the last page of your book in the left pane and click it. This will  select all the pages.

    4. Now that all the pages  are selected, click on the little "gear" icon that is located at the top of the  pane above the selected pages and then select "Crop Pages" from the menu. From  the dialog box that appears, experiment with entering measurements in the top,  bottom left and right boxes until the image is centered and will split evenly at  the center of the page break on the scanned book. (When I scanned my book, I  aligned the left page with edge of the scanner with each scan, and the result  was that the center of the scanned book was not the same as with the center of  the scanned image since the scanner bed was a little larger than the book layed  face down, thus resulting in the necessity to crop the image to make the center  of the book even with the center of the image to be split.) As you enter  different measurements in the boxes, you can see a preview of the results on the  image. It might be necessary to "grab" the "Crop Pages" dialog box and move it  to another area of your computer screen so you can see the scanned image. When  you have the image cropped to your satisfaction, click "Ok".

    5. Now we must set up the  printer dialog to correctly print your book to an Adobe file. (Not on  paper) (Note: When you are finished printing your book to the new Adobe  file, it might be necessary to go back and change all your print settings to  their original status.)

    6. On the very top of your  screen on the left side, click "File" and from the resulting menu, choose "Print  Setup". From this dialog, click on the little downward pointing triangle to the  right of the printer name that is highlighted. Click on "Adobe PDF"

    7. Before closing the  "Printer Setup" dialog box, click on the small downward pointing triangle in the  highlighted box next to the "Size" setting. About halfway down the list of  various paper sizes, click on "Half-sheet Letter", then to the right in the  Orientation area, click the radio button for "Landscape" and then click  "Ok".

    8. We are now ready to  print to an Adobe PDF file which will literally split your two pages per sheet  book into a one page per sheet book. From the same "File" menu as before, click  on "Print".

    9. About 2/3 down  the"Print" dialog box, click on the highlighted bar next to "Page Scaling" and  then click on "Tile all pages" from the displayed menu. Note: The preview image  shown on the right side of the "Print " dialog box should now show you an image  of just where the pages will be split. (Reminder: When you are finished printing  your book to the new Adobe file, it might be necessary to go back and change all  your print settings to their original status.)

    10. You are now ready to  print your book to a PDF file with individual pages. Click on "Ok" to print your  file. From that you can print a hard copy or whatever.

    11. Hope this works as well  for you as it did for me.

     

     

     

     

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    15. Dec 19,  2010 6:42 PM in response to: RadekU
    Re: Ability to split a scanned book that has two  pages per scan

    I tried the tile printing in AA9 and it worked like a charm.I had to select  cut marks. When I printed, the pages were smaller. So I cropped all odd pages  and then all even pages to fit the page. I then printed to a new PDF with Fit to  Printable Area Selected and paper selected to be letter paper. You may have to  play with this a bit for it to work correctly, but seems to do the job  relatively quickly. I would suggest saving a few pages of what you are working  on to a new file and playing with that until you get what you want. Neat idea.  There are probably other ways to do the job also, but this one works with the  TILING! Thanks for the hint.

     

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 1:24 AM   in reply to IBFamily

    I'm afraid this did not work for me. While I have a similar setup - Windows 7, 64-bit and Acrobat Pro 9, your instructions fell apart at step 7 -

     

     

    7. Before closing the "Printer Setup" dialog box, click on the small downward pointing triangle in the highlighted box next to the "Size" setting. About halfway down the list of various paper sizes, click on "Half-sheet Letter", then to the right in the Orientation area, click the radio button for "Landscape" and then click "Ok".

     

    I don't have "Half-sheet Letter" listed. Any ideas?

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 3:13 AM   in reply to CompletelyClueless

    I just found a solution (I used to have a script that would do this on an older version of Acrobat). Here's the link:

     

    http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web_Development/Document_Imaging/Adobe _Acrobat/Q_24272796.html?sfQueryTermInfo=1+10+30+adob+doubl+imag+page+ pdf+singl+spread

     

    It's best if you download (not copy a paste) the SplitPages.js.txt file that is listed and make sure you follow the instructions about the JavaScript settings under Preferences. Hope this helps others!

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 5:18 AM   in reply to CompletelyClueless

    Sounds great.  Only, the link takes us to an experts' exchange website that is behind a pay wall.  We'd be grateful to know what the solution is.  Thanks1

    Jon

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 5:48 AM   in reply to Jon E P

    Hello Jon and Clueless,

     

    My name is Paul. I think I might have a second way to do this: In step 7, instead of selecting "Half-sheet Letter" choose "Letter". Then when you move to step 9, in the "Tile scale" box, change the number from 100% to a higher number. 130% works in my case, but a number higher or lower might work better for you. It will depend upon the actual size of your cropped PDF document. The object is to watch the preview to show you where it will split the page. In my case it shows an 11" x 17" page, but you must consider that this will be split into two 8.5" x 11" sheets.

     

    Try it and let me know how it works.

     

    Paul

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 5:56 AM   in reply to Jon E P

    OK, so I've found a copy of the script, available at a website that does not require a subscription.  It can be downloaded here:

    http://software.allfaq.org/ES/t/118235.aspx

     

    So, we have the script as a text file. From this point on, I have only a vague idea of what to do.  My impression is that this file needs to be copied and placed in Acrobat's Javacripts folder (ie., C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 9.0\Acrobat\Javascripts) as a .js file (that is, remove the .txt from the end of the file name).  Now what? I've looked for simple information on how to use javascript in acrobat, but there is none, only a complex discussion about the different levels at which a script can be used -- ie., this instructional site: http://www.planetpdf.com/developer/learningcenter.asp?ContainerID=1519

     

    If someone could spell out, step by step, what should be done with this particular javascript so that the user would learn how to install the script, and how to run the script so that the user can open a 2 pp / scan PDF and run the script and come away with a 1 page per page PDF, I'd be very grateful.

     

    Thanks,

    Jon

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 5:59 AM   in reply to CompletelyClueless

    Hello Completely,

     

    My name is Paul. I'm sorry that my posted method didn't work for you, but I think I might have a second way to do this: In step 7, instead of selecting "Half-sheet Letter" choose "Letter". Then when you move to step 9, in the "Tile scale" box, change the number from 100% to a higher number. 130% works in my case, but a number higher or lower might work better for you. It will depend upon the actual size of your cropped PDF document. The object is to watch the preview to show you where it will split the page. In my case it shows an 11" x 17" page, but you must consider that this will be split into two 8.5" x 11" sheets.

     

    Try it and let me know whether it works for you.

     

    Paul

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 8:10 PM   in reply to Jon E P

    My script will do just that, AND it comes with complete installation instructions and support:

    http://try67.blogspot.com/2009/09/split-pages-in-2-parts-and-combine-t o.html

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 6:37 AM   in reply to Gilad D (try67)

    @try67: $85 is pretty steep!

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 8:24 AM   in reply to Jon E P

    Jon,

    You may contact me directly at IBMeToday@gmail.com and we can try to find a way to make things work for you. I am not selling anything. I just want to be helpful when I can.

    IB

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 8:38 AM   in reply to IBFamily

    @IBFamily,

     

    Thanks so much for your contributions to this thread, I'm going to try your method.

     

    Not sure if you thought I was suggesting you were selling something.  I was actually referring to try67, who contributed a post to the thread suggesting that his/her script would do exactly what the users here are looking for.  A click on the link there leads to a download page, but the price tag is $85, which seems like a lot to ask!

     

    J

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 9:18 AM   in reply to Jon E P

    Hey Jon,

     

    I did understand that you were replying to try67 and not to me. I agree that $85 seems a bit steep, but I must admit that there have been times when I would have gladly paid that much for a real problem solver. However, I don't think it is necessary in this case. As just an average user, if I can get it to work, then it can probably be done by others without a lot of trouble. Once the book is scanned to PDF, most of the steps can be done pretty simply. A few tweaks might be required,  but that is also true for most scripts and programs you would purchase. That is why I made my original post.

     

    For what it is worth, my original 600 page project turned out very well. I even ended up printing it to hard copy on a duplexing printer, then bound it with a photo album binder using the screw studs that came with it. I now have my own copy of the reference book that I borrowed. (Of course, if the book were still in print, it might have been less expensive to have purchased it from the publisher. The cost of paper, ink and covers for binding added up to around $25. But, then, I do have the satisfaction of getting it done myself and owning my own copy.)

     

    IB

     
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    Jan 18, 2011 1:15 PM   in reply to Jon E P

    I'm surprised that you can't see the file. I'm not sure why, but I've never had to pay for the Experts' Exchange site. I'm sure I've got a free account (maybe they just require you to register). The solution there is completely free - I've seen many of the links where other's want to charge horrendous fees for a software application to do the same thing. Hopefully, you'll be able to just register for the board so you can see the solution.

     
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    Jul 12, 2011 9:37 AM   in reply to dsmallz

    hi there,

     

    The tool called, "Briss" is an excellent tool for doing this. You can scan a book with two pages per scan and then open the PDF in Briss.  Then select the sides of each page that should be even pages, then select with another box the alternating  odd pages.  You don't have to select every page:   I have attached an example of what it looks like to this post.

     

    at.laborg.briss.BrissScreenSnapz001.png

     

    Briss will automatically split the PDF into even and odd pages.  Then you can save the PDF again, run OCR on it, etc.

     

    Here is a link for Briss (NOTE:  It is a cross platform - Windows, Mac, Linux - Program that is built using Java.  So on Mac OS X, you double click the JAR file, on windows, the EXE, etc.):  http://sourceforge.net/projects/briss/files/release%200.0.13/briss-0.0 .13-bin.zip/download

     

    NOTE - Briss is FREE.

     
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    Nov 15, 2011 10:37 AM   in reply to Eric Vasbinder

    Briss was a partial solution for me, although it worked well at doing what, I imagine, it's creators intended. If you have made a xerox copy of two pages of a book (pages 1 and 2 on one image; then pages 3 and 4 on one image; etc.), then it works well.

     

    But not for "saddle-stitched" booklets that you take apart and scan.

     

    What is a saddle stitched booklet? It's when you create a booklet by duplex printing letter size sheets, with two virual "pages" on each side of each sheet, then fold in half and staple or stitch at the folding line. Imagine a booklet made of three sheets of paper, including the "covers." It goes together like this:

     

    Sheet One, Side One, has two images for the front and back covers;

    Sheet One, Side Two has two images for the inside front cover and inside back cover.

     

    Sheet Two, Side One has two images for "page 8" and "page 1"

    Sheet Two, Side Two has two images for "page 2" and "page 7"

     

    Sheet Three, Side One has two images for "page 6" and "page 3"

    Sheet Three, Side Two has two images for "pabe 4" and "page 5"

     

    When you print it, fold it and staple it, it forms a booklet where the "pages" are in proper order.

     

    I have dozens of such booklets that I need to scan and break apart. I could xerox them (like a conventional book, as the O.P. was probably trying to use), then scan those xerox copies instead of un-stapling the booklet and scanning the pages, but that seems like a waste, not to mention that it will make the end-product less clear visually.

     

    Briss will break apart the images that I scan of the booklets, but I still have to spend a very long time re-arranging the paged within Acrobat. What is needed is the ability to write a script of some sort that will reorder the pages. If nothing else, if I could feed a comma-delimited list to script that contains current page number and desired page number for output to a new file, that would be enormously helpful. Any thoughts?

     
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    Subject: Re: Ability to split a scanned book that has two pages per scan Ability to split a scanned book that has two

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    Nov 20, 2011 8:20 AM   in reply to dsmallz

    well, just done the same job as yours in windows xp.

     

    before done i have 3 ideas:

    1.open-face pictures-->pdf-->use adobe to split and resort

    2.open-face pictures-->use other soft to split left-right and resort-->pdf

    3.open-face pictures-->pdf-->adobe crop left-right seperately-->pictures-->use other soft to resort pic-->pdf

     

    for

    1: need to learn some adobe scripts

    2: need perfect soft

    3: need resort soft

     

    since i have ACD See 3.1, it has rename menu, so i choose #3

     

    1.open-face pictures-->pdf-->adobe crop left-right seperately AND save it like: name_1_NUM.jpg, name_2_NUM.jpg. In win xp, "sort as name" helps nothing coz NUM is on the tail

     

    2.open ACD See, select all the name_1_NUM.jpg and right click menu : rename

     

    3.change the name "name_1_##.jpg" into "##_1.jpg"

     

    4. same to name_2_NUM.jpg files

     

    5.since resort done, just need pic-->pdf

     

    -------but anyway, push adobe to solve itself is the best way

     
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