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New PC

Jun 22, 2009 10:40 AM

I'm looking for a new PC that can handle CS4 (I primarily use Premiere Pro) and HD editing.  I've done some research and came up with this config from HP.  Can you provide some feedback?

 

NOTE: I'm planning to purchase and install extra RAM (thinking 8 gigs total).  Are there any issues with combining purchased RAM with what comes with the PC?

 

Thanks --

 

Keith

 

 

-Configurable- HP Z400 Workstation - Microsoft Windows® SATA/SAS - Build Your Own Promo and Save $75 Instantly until 9/1/09!
FX625AV-PR400
HP Z400 Workstation
Genuine Windows Vista® Business 64-bit
HP Z400 475W 85% Efficient Chassis
Intel® Xeon® W3520 2.66 8MB/1066 QC CPU (HIGHPWR)
HP Z400 Localization Kit
HP Air Cooling Solution (Must order Heatsink with this item)
HP Standard Heatsink Thermal Kit (This Module is required if Air Cooling and Low Power CPU are selected)
NVIDIA Quadro FX1800 768MB Graphics
HP 1GB (1x1GB) DDR3-1333 ECC RAM
HP 160GB SATA 7200 1st HDD
HP 160GB SATA 7200 2nd HDD
HP 160GB SATA 7200 3rd HDD (Second drive must be SATA)
HP 16X DVD+-RW SuperMulti SATA 1st Drive
No Floppy Disk Kit
HP PS/2 Standard Keyboard
HP PS/2 Optical Scroll Mouse
3 years parts, labor and onsite service (3/3/3) standard warranty. Certain restrictions and exclusions apply.

 
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    Jun 22, 2009 10:47 AM   in reply to keithcf

    Study these guides carefully. I pride myself that it has helped a lot of people to make more better founded decisions. Especially look at the video card and consider building it yourself. Also, get some larger disks.

     

    How to get the best from a PC? Some guides...

     
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    Jun 22, 2009 12:33 PM   in reply to keithcf

    I've got CS4 running great on two HP machines. I can't recommend them enough. You may pay a little more for them, but for me (a non-computer hardware person) it's worth it. If my HP workstation wasn't just 2 years old, I'd be getting one of those Z800 systems...they look very nice.

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:00 PM   in reply to keithcf

    Almost any other card they offer would be better than the FX1800 (unfortunately I did not like any of the cards they are offering) and use the money to get more processing power.  But I do not like the basic box because of the 475 watt power supply!

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:40 PM   in reply to keithcf

    I've got a Quadro 1500 in my workstation, the older version of that card and it works great with PPro and AE. I've been told it's overkill for what I do (video editing and AE animations but no heavy 3D animation), but it's been able to handle SD and HD just fine.

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:14 PM   in reply to keithcf
     
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:25 PM   in reply to keithcf

    Building my own is not an option, I don't have the time to do it.

     

    You could have built one in less time than this decission will take.

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:34 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Nice of you to give him less than 24 hours to make the "decision" and build a computer.

     

    Maybe he is busier than you?

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:36 PM   in reply to shooternz

    I'm just trying to get across that building your own isn't as time concusing as one may think.  It can be done in a day.  You get a better computer for less money, without all the crap that a pre-built will invariably come with.

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:47 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    And if he aint a computer geek and is actually a creative type ,pro editor...what does he do then?

     

    I have never had a problem telling my 'puter builder to custom build me a machine to do the task I want them  to do.  They have built me about 7 reliable systems

     

    I suggest to the OP if you do not wish to build it your self ..take Harms list to a custom 'puter builder and get the job done.  Avoid the factory Dells and the HPs etc...

     

    If it doesnt work...BLAME HARM M.

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:50 PM   in reply to shooternz

    And if he aint a computer geek and is actually a creative type ,pro editor...what does he do then?

     

    In this day and age, I don't think one can be as effective at the latter without also being the former.

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:51 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    JSS1138 wrote:

     

    You get a better computer for less money, without all the crap that a pre-built will invariably come with.

     

    I can only speak from my experience, but when I got my HP workstation, the only extra "crap" it came with was just some CD/DVD burning software - just that and XP. When HP sent me my (free, by the way) Vista64 upgrade, it was just Vista64 - nothing else. Now, my laptop was another story, but that was more of a high-end consumer model - not a workstation-type laptop...but I had all the "crap" cleared off in about 15 minutes.

     

    As for a better computer for less money, that may be or may not be. I think many people have issues with PPro because they work on home made systems that have components that may not work together well. I think a large part of why I've had such a smooth PPro experience (with CS3 and CS4) has been because my system was built to work together well...not being a hardware/IT guy, that's reason enough to me to spend the extra money.

     

    But I know others who build their own systems and are very good at it - they can put together a great system that runs great for less money...but they also can function as their own IT support...me - I like picking up the phone and calling HP...their workstations have a great warranty.

     

    Keith, good luck in what ever you decide!

     
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:56 PM   in reply to Eric Addison

    In this day and age, I don't think one can be as effective at the latter without also being the former.

     

     

    AMAZING and not un surprising coming from you.

     
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    Jun 24, 2009 8:09 AM   in reply to keithcf

    Keith,

     

    I understand your reluctance and I can not judge the value of your time. Just a couple of general remarks.

     

    When buying or building a new PC the most time consuming part is selecting which components you want to have in that PC. Once you have that list it is time to shop around and nearly always will you find that either not all your selected components can be found in a prebuilt system, or you can't get everything from one supplier or delivery times vary due to out-of-stock situations, so you may have to compromise, selecting other components that need further investigation. This process can easily take a week or more. BTW, that was why these guides were written, to help in the selection process and save time.

     

    In contrast, physically building your own PC takes less than a day and is not nearly as challenging as some believe. If you have the skills to plug an electrical cord in a wall outlet and can handle a screwdriver, you can easily build your own system.

     

    BTW, just out of curiosity, I wanted to see the HP Z800 workstation and I started to configure the system. The price was already over $ 13K when I was trying to configure the raid controller and saw that the only options were so limited in capabilities, that I gave up. If they can't deliver any good raid configurations on a workstation, it is not worth the name, let alone the extravagant price.

     

    For comparison, my system costs less than 3000 euros in the Netherlands, excluding sales tax at the moment and is much better equipped than the HP Z800. A single 1 TB disk costs me around 60 euros, HP charges $ 450 for a similar disk. Count your benefits if you want 16 disks... disregarding the fact that their case does not allow that.

     

    I envy you the daily rates you can charge if you can make up that price difference in one day physically building a system.

     
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    Jun 24, 2009 7:56 AM   in reply to keithcf

    Keith, if you do end up specifying a computer to someone I noticed you mentioned 8 GB of RAM.  That would have worked well in last years systems but with these newer processors of the i7 family you have to do modules in increments of three's.  So you might want to specify 6 GB or 12 GB to keep all the memory modules the same size.  I have not done business with GuyGraphics but have heard some favorable results in the past.

     
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    Jun 24, 2009 8:02 AM   in reply to Bill Gehrke

    I second the reputation GuyGraphics has. Only positives, but not cheap.

     
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    Jun 24, 2009 8:28 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    Harm Millaard wrote:

     

    I second the reputation GuyGraphics has. Only positives, but not cheap.

    That is for sure!  Did you see the $11,000 for a 12 each 1TB disk RAID array!

     
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    Jun 24, 2009 9:25 AM   in reply to Bill Gehrke

    I was already astounded by the prices of HP, that I did not bother to look at GuyGraphics prices, but Ashley has always been pretty steep. All the more reason to build yourself, unless you can charge your clients around $ 10 K per day...

     
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    Jun 25, 2009 4:50 PM   in reply to keithcf

    >-RAM: 4 GB DDR 3 1600

     

    By definition, I don't think that is possible

     

    DDR3 is in sets of 3 memory sticks, so you get 3 or 6 or 12 Gig... never, as far as I know, 4 Gig

     

    Other than that... system looks good

     
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    Jun 25, 2009 4:59 PM   in reply to keithcf

    Good basic system, it will not quite compete with Harm's disk-centric overclocked monster (you can see I am jealous). but a fairly reasonable, what I would call a true entry level video editing system.

     

    But I am confused to why he specifed 4 GB (unless he was following your directions).  I would guess that for that motherboard it would either be 3 GB or 6 GB or some multiple thereof.  Unless you use all three memory channels I would suspect performance would be somewhat crippled.

     

    I personally would not go with RAID 1.  With out adding appreciable to the cost I would specify those two disks be used seperately but the second disk in a mobile rack and get an additional tray or two and archive to the mobile rack drive(s).  Also personally I would use a VelociRaptor drive for the OS.  You will not have quite the storage and it will cost a few dollars more but you will get better performance from the OS and applications.

     

    John beat me to it, but for information only the new i7 family of Intel chips have three memory channels there are system that only use pairs.

     
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    Jun 25, 2009 6:39 PM   in reply to keithcf

    Eventually you will go with a 64 bit OS (Win 7 is available in a 64-bit version) and then you want more than 4 GB.  Even now I am daily using Vista 64 Business Edition for editing.  At this point in time I would actually recommend going with Vista 64 if you are capable of tuning and performance enhancing it.  It is unfortunate that some of the options that they offer are so limited, for instance they only offer Vista 64 Ultimate which is an overkill for video editing.

     

    The mobile rack allows you to change disks readily and as your projects grow you can very simply archive to as many additional disks as you want and then easily pull an old disc of the shelf and access it with a simple reboot and no accessing the inside of the computer.  The only advantage of RAID 1 is redundancy, there is no gain in capacity and no performance increase.

     

    I suspect that they just have not brought their configurator up to date.  Apparently it is not a very intelligent configurator as when you select the ASUS motherboard it should require three memory stick modules

     
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    Jun 27, 2009 5:47 AM   in reply to keithcf

    Keith,

     

    As Bill and others have remarked, DDR3 memory comes only in 3 sticks to be effective. So 3, 6, or 12 GB per set of three sticks.

     

    Why you would opt for a firewire B PCI-X card I do not know, but keep in mind that mixing A and B on the same card can lead to problems. I would personally prefer to use eSATA for disks and the on-board firewire A connectors for external back-up disks or decks/cameras. On my system I have the firewire connector on the back for an external drive and my deck (for DV and playback), and the one on the front (better topside with my case) for camera capture from HDV.

     
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    Jun 27, 2009 11:04 AM   in reply to keithcf

    Keith,

     

    I was planning to get 4 Gigs now, then upgrade to 12 Gigs once I switch to Win7.  Is that a sound strategy?


    No. Several problems with that approach. First, you are making the assumption of using XP32. I would not do that on a newly built system. Either Vista 64 or Windows 7 RC makes much more sense. The latter is free and with the advent of CS5, which presumably is 64 bit, it makes no sense to invest in 32 bit OS any longer. Also, just putting two sticks of RAM into a DDR3 system will seriously hamper performance. At a later date getting the same sticks to upgrade to 12 GB (6 sticks) may prove difficult because they have been replaced with other models with new specs. The consequence may be that your initial investment in these two sticks will be worthless and need to be thrown away for good memory management. You will be much better off with 12 GB now, especially since RAM is cheap. Every mobo manufacturer advises you to ONLY use the same sticks in all slots.

     

    On you firewire setup, I'll reply shortly. The Managing Director just called me for dinner, and we can't keep her waiting, can we?

     
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    Jun 27, 2009 11:57 AM   in reply to keithcf

    Keith,

     

    -Fireware A for my external sound card

    -Firewire A for Epson R2400 printer

    -Firewire A for camcorder/digital camera

    -Firewire A or B for LaCie 1

    -Firewire A or B or eSATA for LaCie 2

    -Firewire A or B or eSATA for SimpleTech ProDrive


    You could easily daisy chain the first two, or maybe three. While playing sound, you don't need to capture, when capturing you don't need your printer, so bandwidth with these two or three devices would be unlikely to cause problems.

     

    In my case I have a firewire harddisk daisy chained with a DV deck, taking up one firewire connection.

     

    On the P6T-WS Pro you have two firewire A ports, so, again in my case, I use the second firewire for direct camera connection.

     

    If you can get a PCI-X firewire B card in, you will have two additional B ports for your HD's. My remark was based on the fact that I once installed such a PCI-X card with 2 B connections and 1 A connection (which was rather difficult to find at that time) and it caused some difficulty with using A and B at the same time.

     

    Hope this helps.

     
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    Jun 27, 2009 4:55 PM   in reply to keithcf

    My suggestion on the FireWire devices is start phasing them out and replace with eSATA drives, you can get eSATA boxes reasonably and just move the drive over to them.  You will experience much better performance.

     
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    Jun 28, 2009 1:58 PM   in reply to keithcf
     
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    Jun 28, 2009 7:10 PM   in reply to Bill Gehrke

    You can download it for free also.  No need to pay.

     
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    Jun 28, 2009 7:26 PM   in reply to keithcf

    Very true Jim, but some people may not have the capability (or patience) to download 3.04 GB files.

     
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    Jul 6, 2009 4:04 PM   in reply to keithcf

    Congratulations, but you confuse me with your 4 GB of RAM and a 64 bit OS when we all explained that the chip and motherboard have three memory channels.  You are limiting yourself to 2/3 the available memory bandwidth to save yourself ~$50.  Can you tell us why?

     

    Also since there are two 1394 ports on the motherboard why the 1394 card?  I could not find anything on the ADS web site about a API-311, maybe they have repaced it with a newer model?

     
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    Jul 6, 2009 3:53 PM   in reply to keithcf

    Keith,

     

    One thing I don't understand. You get a

     

    Asus P6T DELUXE V2 Core i7 / Intel X58/ DDR3/
    CrossFireX & SLI/ A&2GbE/ ATX Motherboard

     

    and combine that with

     

    Super Talent DDR3-1600 4GB (2x2GB) CL7 Dual
    Channel Memory Kit

     

    Why disable DDR3 capability by using only 2 sticks? Get at least 3 sticks to make full use of DDR3.

     

    Good choice with the Sapphire Vapor-X series.

     
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