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Radeon HD 5870

Oct 25, 2009 2:25 PM

Video transcoding and video effects filters devour parallel floating-point compute power.  The ATI HD 5870 offers 2.7 trillion single-precision floating-point operations per second. In addition, up to 544 billion double-precision FP operations per second. Contrast that to Intel's fastest cpu, the i7-975 which is capable of approx. 85 billion FLOPs per second.

 

Floating-point calculations are now IEEE 754-compliant. This supposedly/hopefully makes life easier for application developers. AMD built in the technology to make the 5870 a better general purpose compute engine than previous releases. Built-in features that could potentially contribute to our video card's (perhaps beginning with the HD 5870) ability to speed up our workflow include:

 

Full hardware implementation of OpenCL and Direct Compute 11

IEEE 754-2008 floating-point compliance

Better memory handling for general applications

Global synchronization and data sharing

 

Some in the tech forums are claiming that ATI has taken a more standards-based approach to GPU computing than Nvidia has, with it's proprietary CUDA architecture.

 

Competition is a good thing. By being competitive, ATI has enabled us to buy better products at lower prices. I hope Adobe will consider utilizing the power = speed advantages available through ATI's offerings as well.

 
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    Oct 26, 2009 7:21 AM   in reply to Chuck A. McIntyre

    ATI has enabled us to buy better products at lower prices.

     

    Precisely why I prefer ATI over nVidia.  I would argue that Adobe MUST abandon CUDA once the current developement cycle is over and support ONLY OpenCL.

     
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    Oct 30, 2009 1:59 PM   in reply to Chuck A. McIntyre

    Doesn't work on the majority of systems, only on AMD systems.

     
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    Oct 31, 2009 10:21 AM   in reply to Chuck A. McIntyre

    It may seem nice that there is a 'sort of' ATI solution out there, but it's still the wrong one.  Stream is ATI only.  CUDA is nVidia only.

     

    OpenCL is the best solution here, as even newer S3 cards can take advantage of it (should anyone care to use such a card.)

     
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    Oct 31, 2009 11:37 PM   in reply to Chuck A. McIntyre
    Panasonic has the nerve to give us the convoluted MXF file format!.

     

    Amen, brother.  The whole point of the MXF format was to develop a standard, professional media container, one that could hold all the data in a single file - audio, video, timecode, metadata.  So far, seems like everyone using it has mucked it up with some proprietary bulllll...oney.

     
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    Jan 6, 2010 12:34 PM   in reply to Chuck A. McIntyre

    Hi Chuck,

     

    I read your comments on the ATI Radeon HD 5870 video card.  I just ordered a Dell Studio XPS 9000 desktop PC for video editing - and the Dell engineer configured the PC with that card in support of Adobe PPro CS4 editing.  Does CS4 support video acceleration with that video card?  If so, do you know the setup process to bring this system on-line?  Or...should I call Adobe TS on this question?

     

    Thank you, Steve

     
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    Jan 7, 2010 7:32 AM   in reply to Stevenst90808

    That would warrant a sincere compliment to the Dell 'engineer' in question: he would be the first and likely only Dell employee to understand ANYTHING about video editing.

     

    To your disappointment, a mere ATI HD 46XX for a lousy $ 40 performs equally well. There is no acceleration for this video card. EOS. And compliments to your 'engineer' for his sales qualities.

     

    Just out of curiosity, with how many disks and in what configuration did he set up your disks, if he set up your system for video editing?

     
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    Jan 7, 2010 10:09 AM   in reply to Chuck A. McIntyre

    Chuck,

     

    I ordered a Dell computer last month with the 5870.  I told the sales engr

    that I wanted to do accelerated video editing with CS4.  He said that the

    5870 would support that.  The PC has not yet shipped.  If I really need to

    change the card - I should do it today!

     

    - Do you recommend that I stop the dell order and change the video card to

    an Nvidia card?  If so, which NVidia card do you recommend?  Is there a

    lesser expensive NVidia card that will accelerate CS4 video editing?

     

    - What is MPE?  What is the upcoming Mercury Playback Engine?  Is that not

    currently part of CS4?

     

    - Finally, how noticeable would the difference in CS4 editing be between the

    5870 and the NVidia card you mentioned?

     

    Is there a phone number that I can reach you at today?

     

    Thank you, Steve

     
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    Jan 7, 2010 11:33 AM   in reply to Stevenst90808
    He said that the 5870 would support that.

     

    That confirms my suspicion: There are no Dell employees that know anything about video editing. They are all pure nitwits.

     

    I would like to know what disk setup this nitwit suggested for video editing.

     

    As to the video card, my suggestion is to get a cheap one now and once CS5 is released and requirements for full MPE support are known, to exchange it for a good card.

     
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    Jan 7, 2010 11:46 AM   in reply to Chuck A. McIntyre

    Chuck - can we talk on the phone now?

     
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    Jan 7, 2010 12:23 PM   in reply to Chuck A. McIntyre

    Chuck - I just sent my # to you.

     
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    Jan 7, 2010 12:26 PM   in reply to Stevenst90808

    As far as I know, the nVidia 285 is the least expensive card that will, someday, support the enhanced parts of a future Premiere Pro

     

    I have not seen a post, from an Adobe employee, saying this will be in CS5... but if it is not in the initial CS5 release, it MIGHT be in an update

     

    Do be aware that it HAS been stated that PPro CS5 will be 64bit only... which I think means Win7 since Vista is now a dead end

     
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    Jan 7, 2010 2:08 PM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    Harm - I just spoke to Chuck.  I decided to stay with the ATI 5870 for now.  It is pretty cheap and supports 3 monitors.  Hopefully, Adobe will develop future P/Pro versions that support OpenCL architecture.

     

    I sent an email to Dell requesting a change in the SATA hard drives from RAID1 to a 300 GB, 10 K RPM system drive and 2 separate 1.5 GB, 7200 RPM drives for Export and Media.

     
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    Aug 12, 2010 9:41 AM   in reply to Stevenst90808

    so has anyone tried

    ATI Radeon HD 5870

     

    in new mac pro ??

     

     

    is it "as good" as top nvidia card in PP???

     
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    Aug 13, 2010 12:12 PM   in reply to bobmane

    no its not you get no acceleration only nVidia cards , and Apple put the stop to that..

    you best off with a PC for Adobe.

     

    Scott

    ADK

     
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    Aug 13, 2010 12:30 PM   in reply to Scott Chichelli

    and there will be no after market nvida card for new mac pro?

     
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    Aug 13, 2010 12:42 PM   in reply to bobmane

    highly unlikely for some time considering the politics involved right now

     

    nVidia is pissed at Apple, Apple And Adobe have been having at it as well..

     

    i dont see the new cards being Apple approved or made by nVidia for it.

     

    unless you need to have FC on your system as well i see no point to an Apple

     

    PC is more configurable, less money and better performing.

     
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    Aug 13, 2010 12:49 PM   in reply to Scott Chichelli

    do you know if the card on PC will also enhance vegas video or only PP?

     
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    Aug 13, 2010 1:01 PM   in reply to bobmane

    one of the cool things about Vegas is it does not relay too much on video (Graphics cards)

    i can actually use it to some degree with onboard video on a laptop.

    one of the bad things is its slow on renders

     

    Scott

    ADK

     
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    Aug 13, 2010 3:24 PM   in reply to Scott Chichelli

    problem is I am maxxxxed out on Vegas and it is a crash fest when heavily taxed...i was hoping the card would be a "2-fer" PP and VV...though PP would do I suppose

     
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    Aug 14, 2010 8:40 AM   in reply to bobmane

    if you are maxing out Vegas you will have serious issues with Premier.

    Premier is by far more demanding.

     

    but yes a better video card will help vegas to some degree

     
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