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Vertical Axis Inverted in CS5?

May 20, 2010 11:20 AM

When I want to move an object up I have to put in a negative number?  Is this a preference I am overlooking?

 
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    May 20, 2010 11:48 AM   in reply to chrismadden951357

    Nope. Adobe changed it because I guess a lot of inexperienced users were confused when working within the (inappropriately named) “Suite”’ that the coordinates didn’t agree between programs. I find that a sound complaint. There is no preference except to continue to use an older version.

     

    There was discussion in an older port about this and people could not reach consensus that a preference would have been a good idea. I don”t buy it. Illustrator files store all coordinates in points. Changing your preference to work in millimetres or picas doesn’t confuse things, nor does changing the ruler origin. Adding a preference to let people choose the polarity of the rulers should not be that hard and, if well implemented, should not cause problems when opening files on other computers or when frequently switching the polarity of a ruler.

     

    Ah, but the magic words in that last sentence are, “well implemented,” when explains why that is not how Adobe made the change. Illustrator features are rarely well-implemented. They are usually added piecemeal without though to intuitiveness or smooth integration with the program. That’s why we now have four distinct tools (Pathfinder panel, Pathfinder effects, Live Paint, and Shape Builder) all to accomplish the same task, each in very different ways and each completely unconnected to the others.

     

    The saddest part of this story is that I don’t think Adobe would have made such a dramatic change to the way the program works if they didn’t expect the program to be around for a long time. I keep praying that Adobe will take Illustrator to the glue factory (and not for the two-day tour) and replace it with a lean, modern, efficient drawing program free of all the old legacy code and terrible work-arounds that have become institutionalized within the program. That worked for InDesign when they knew PageMaker was a lost cause. It can work for Illustrator when they realize it has been a lost cause for about a decade.

     
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    May 20, 2010 12:45 PM   in reply to chrismadden951357

    Chris,

     

    There is still hope, at least for the bold:

     

    You may:

     

    1) Find and open the AIPrefs (Win speak) or Adobe Illustrator Prefs (Mac speak) file; it is a hidden file in the hidden folder Adobe Illustrator CS5 Settings

     

    2): Find and change the following two bits of code:

     

    /isRulerOriginTopLeft 1 >>> /isRulerOriginTopLeft 0 (change 1 to 0)

     

    /isRulerIn4thQuad 1 >>> /isRulerIn4thQuad 0 (change 1 to 0)

     
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    May 20, 2010 1:03 PM   in reply to chrismadden951357

    http://www.yourprops.com/norm-45d5fa081e82b-Ghostbusters+(1984).jpeg

     
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    May 20, 2010 1:05 PM   in reply to chrismadden951357

    At least on the Mac this is no hidden file.

     

    I can't speak for Windows, but I don't think, it's hidden there. If it were, you might try these methods:

    http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html

     
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    May 20, 2010 1:10 PM   in reply to chrismadden951357

    Chris,

     

    Use the device kindly lent by Scott, or open More advanced options and tick Search hidden files and folders, or enjoy being on a Mac.

     

    Thank you for that information, Monika. Has it been that way in all versions?

     
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    May 20, 2010 1:23 PM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Jacob,

     

    I can only tell for versions back to CS2. And yes, it's visible in all of those.

     
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    May 20, 2010 2:32 PM   in reply to Monika Gause

    I believe it is all the way back then.

     

    Thank you again, Monika.

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 5:58 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Jacob,

    I am showing all hidden files, but I can't locate the Adobe Illustrator CS5 Settings folder you mention to change the vertical movement in CS5. Can you help? I only see the com.adobe.Illustrator.15.0.0.plist file in the Preferences folder. I can double-click on it and it opens another window, but that's not what you're referring to, is it?

     

    Thanks

    Ed

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 6:18 AM   in reply to Moviefan62

    Type "Where are the illustrator preferences" in the Google search box and get this:

    http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/preference-file-location-illustr ator.html

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 6:31 AM   in reply to Moviefan62

    Ed,

     

    In addition to the link Monika posted, you may be able to get through by using the script Carlos posted here (I hope it also works for CS6):

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/3862868#3862868

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 7:17 AM   in reply to Jacob Bugge

    Thanks---I found it and made the changes. But when I closed out, it's prompting me to save it as a new file (won't save over existing). Do I just save it as a normal Illustrator file? EPS? Or....? The exisiting file has a PREFS icon on it.

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 9:51 AM   in reply to Moviefan62

    Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I do this right!

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 11:03 AM   in reply to Moviefan62

    I think I figured it out.

     

    I copied my Adobe Illustrator Prefs file and put the copy on the desktop and renamed in Adobe Illustrator Prefs (test) to be safe.

     

    Then I opened Adobe Illustrator Prefs (test) from the Desktop with Text Edit (default opening in Illustrator didn't make sense to me). I found and replaced both of the pieces of code for the ruler, and saved as a text file. I renamed that file Adobe Illustrator Prefs and moved it back into the en_US folder that contained the original file. It asked me to replace the original file with this text file (because they are now the same name) and I accepted.

     

    Open Illustrator, then quit Illustrator. Your Adobe Illustrator Prefs file should automatically change from a text file to the original format with the PREFS icon with the new changes.

     

    To test, I reopened that file and saw that may changes were indeed saved.

     

    Hope this helps you out!

     

    Michael.

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 11:24 AM   in reply to mjarrott

    Thanks Mike. Yes, it did work! The ruler is zeroed out at the top left corners. BUT---I thought the original post I replied to was about the Vertical move command in CS5; how you have to go negative to go up etc. I thought this fix was suppose to correct that at the same time. It didn't. It only moved the ruler 0 to the top. My move command is still at negative to go up. Do you know if there is a fix for the move?

     

    Thanks again
    Ed

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 12:11 PM   in reply to Moviefan62

    Ed,

     

    Did you close Illy before changing/moving/replacing the preference file?

     

    If not, whichever changes are overruled when you close Illy.

     
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    Jul 18, 2012 12:22 PM   in reply to Moviefan62

    After making the change, my objects move up when I type in a positive number, and down when I type in a negative number.

     

    ... and yes, make sure you've made the changes with Illustrator closed. That way, after you've changed the code, Illustrator will open with the new preferences and will close to save those preferences.

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 4:38 AM   in reply to mjarrott

    It worked! Thanks everyone!!

     
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    Jul 19, 2012 5:08 AM   in reply to Moviefan62

    For my part you are welcome, Ed.

     
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