I am using Photoshop CS. I have been tasked with creating pictures for our office hallways. Most of the files I am working
with were taken with an old digital camera. They are approximately 31" x 24" at 72 dpi and are in jpeg format. I need these files
to be print quality at 15' x 12'. How much image quality will I lose if I resize them to 15" x 12" and up the dpi to say 225 or 300?
Any help / suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
whcraft wrote:
I am using Photoshop CS. I have been tasked with creating pictures for our office hallways. Most of the files I am working
with were taken with an old digital camera. They are approximately 31" x 24" at 72 dpi and are in jpeg format. I need these files
to be print quality at 15' x 12'. How much image quality will I lose if I resize them to 15" x 12" and up the dpi to say 225 or 300?
Any help / suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
First forget about DPI to begin with. Start with how many pixels are in the images you are starting with. Width Pixels and height pixels also note the images Aspect ratios. Next how big do you need to print these pictures for you office hallways. Do or can these prints have the same aspect ratio of the original images? You do not want to have to crop and throw away pixels to match a particular aspect ratio when printing large.
If the images need to be 15 feet by 12 feet you do not need to print them at a high resolution like 300 DPI for they will not be viewed up close. However Digital Camera do not capture the amount of pixels you will need to print a 15' image well you will need to resample you images up in pixel size. 15' x 12' at 100 DPI would require 18,000 x 14,400 that is 259MP. Your starting with 31" x 24" at 72dpi which is about the same aspect ratio (15'6" x 12') with 2,232 x 1,728 pixels 3,856,896 about 4MP. I do not know how well a 4MP image will resample up in size to print 15' images.
The largest print I ever had made was a 6'x8' and printed at 100dpi and printed on canvas. I up sampled from a 8MP image. I was very happy with the image but the images was of a painting which was a soft subject so the printed image did not need to be that sharp or contain all the much detail. My 8MP was up sampled to 69MP or 8.6 time the number of pixels.
Going from 4MP to 259MP or 64 times the number of pixels seems like a very large jump to me. If I were you I would resample one of your images to that 15'x12' 100DPI size then set the marquee tool to a fixed size 8" x10" selection and make a selection then use menu Image>Crop. The make a test print of that 8"x10" crop to see how it prints look at the print from a distance of 5' to 10' to simulate viewing distance.
Its all math. ppi = pixels per inch. There
fore at 72 ppi there are 72 pixels in 1 inch.
31" x 24" at 72 dpi = 2232 pixels x 1728 pixels.
15" x 12" @ 300 ppi = 4500 pixels x 3600 pixels
The logic above states that if you increase your 31x24" @ 72ppi to 15x12" @ 300ppi you will have pixelation.
Take the 2232 pixels x 1728 pixels and divide it by 300ppi and you will get the actual size print without any pixelation
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emil emil wrote:
Billboards can be printed at around 20 ppi
Absolutely. In some cases it may even be best to not resample at all, and just up the size until you reach the ppi "pain threshold".
The people doing the actual printing should have guidelines for this.
The key is the viewing distance. Think "angle of field of vision".
Ooops! My bad. My monitor at home is about to die so I didn't see the typo in my original post.
The final output size should be 15 inches by 12 inches and not 15 feet by 12 feet. In the future
I will remember to type out my units of measure. That having been said, my original question
still stands. Thanks to everyone who replied.
In that case see Silkrooster's post above.
You're looking at a roughly 2x linear pixel dimensions increase if you stick with 300 ppi. That should be doable, but they will probably look a bit soft.
Try careful sharpening after resizing. You'll have to be careful, because jpegs are often already quite crudely sharpened in-camera. Excessive grain and artifacts/halos should be avoided at all costs.
Since these images are jpegs, make sure to save them as psds or tiffs before you start working on them. Jpeg is a lossy format and the quality deteriorates every time you resave it.
Image size and resolution calculations aside for a moment, it would help to know what kind of printing we're talking about here.
In any event, the first thing you should try is resizing without resampling. (In other words, you may not need to 'up the dpi'.) At the bottom of Photoshop's Image Size dialog, first, make sure "Constrain Proportions" is checked, then un-check "Resample Image." This disables the top portion of the dialog, (Pixel Dimensions), and effectively "freezes" it, allowing you only to adjust the Document Size, (synonymous with 'print size'), fields. Change the 24" dimension to 12". The 31" will automatically stay in-aspect, and come down to 15.5, (31 x 24 is a slightly different aspect ratio than 15 x 12, so you'll have to crop off a half-inch after you resize.), and the resolution will increase to 144 pixels per inch, (ppi). Click OK. Make the aforementioned crop to arrive at 15 x 12, and run a test print. Depending on the output method, 144 ppi may be sufficient.
I have an action that will let me blow-up files with little to no loss of image quality but the files need to be at least 12mb to start with. The old 72dpi files I will be working with are 11.2mb or so. I've found that if I up the resolution to 75dpi I get the 12mb I need for the action to work properly. I thought I would just blow the image up fairly big and then start reducing it to get the size I need and upping the resolution. I am under the impression that if I half the image size I can then double the resolution. Going with this, if I blow-up the image big enough I should get to my required size at a pretty good resolution. It seem overly involved but I do not know another way to get what I need at this time.
Mm-hmm. An office laser will often do just fine with images in the neighborhood of 150 ppi. It can sometimes depends on the image content. If it is a big group picture with many faces that will be tiny at print size, sometimes you can't win either way. Too few pixels or the interpolated results of resampling--either one can leave fine detail perceptually obliterated. You're always better off not resampling, if you can get away with it, so it's best to try that first.
I printed one using John's suggestion and printed one using my blow-up action. The one using the action came out
a little sharper so my boss wants me to go that route. I appreciate everyone's help. Now if I can just find some
12 X 18 glossy paper I'll be golden. I got the action from one of the training sessions I attended a few years back. It was
conducted by one of the original creators of Photoshop.
thanks again for the help.
function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}Silkrooster wrote:
The logic above states that if you increase your 31x24" @ 72ppi to 15x12" @ 300ppi you will have pixelation.
What in the world are you talking about here? Please describe what you mean by pixelation, and why you think resampling an image to a higher pixel count will cause it?
The image, upsampled as listed, will likely look nice and smooth, assuming he uses Photoshop's Bicubic image resizing logic to do it. Resampling may not even be necessary; printer drivers nowadays often do a passable job of it.
To answer the original question: There are sophisticated upsampling programs such as Genuine Fractals that allow you to increase pixel count a different way than provided by Photoshop, and make better looking enlargements from smaller images.
-Noel
The action being discussed is probably "stairstep upsampling", which introduces artifacts that resemble texture, and thus are touted by some to produce a "better looking" upsampled result. I experimented heavily with that myself, and I never perceived the results as better than a simple Bicubic upsample with sharpening afterward.
Whcraft, if you're really serious about improving the look and feel of your image when upsampled, please crop out a small piece of it and post it here (or eMail it to me). I'll be happy to show you what can be accomplished.
-Noel
John Mensinger wrote:
...You're always better off not resampling, if you can get away with it, so it's best to try that first.
Yes, resampling cannot magically add details in the interpolated image. It will fill with new "artificial" pixels the space between pixels created from the true detail which results in blurred appearance. The only case when you need to resample when increasing size is, if you see pixelization in the image. Then interpolatiing will blur the neighboring pixels together, so the pixilated appearance will be replaced with soft blurred appearance which many find more pleasing to the eye .
The number of pixels have more than doubled in both width and height. Whether you see it or not pixelation occurs. Granted it is possible to blur the pixels which gives it a soft look, but none the less pixelation did occur and is not recommended. Generally the end result that you are looking for is a nice clean sharp image. However it does matter on how far away the image will be from the eye.
As emil emil plainly put it, you can't add detail that is not there.
Thank you for the link describing your usage of the term, Silkrooster. It's one that's used in different ways quite often, so I wanted to be sure I understood you completely.
So am I correct in interpreting what you're saying: That upsampling a small image to a larger one in Photoshop will cause it to look more blocky, as though it's made of up of squares of color rather than a continuous tone?
This is wrong. Have you actually upsampled an image in Photoshop?
Upsampling to a higher pixel count with the Bicubic process (the default in Photoshop for Image - Image Size with Resample checked) will have just the opposite effect. Color transitions will be smoothed.
I'd genuinely like to get to the bottom of why you think just the opposite will happen.
-Noel
I been thinking about it, and I was wrong in away. For some reason I had it in my mind the size was going up and ppi did not which would cause pixelization.
I think I was confused as photoshop is adding additional pixels that are not original pixels.
So you are correct in order to see pixelization you have to have a low rez image.
See I had it in my mind that the smaller the image is the sharper and the larger it is the more degraded or pixelized it becomes. But in that case the ppi is a constant.
Sorry for the confusion...
Semantics, more or less. We all understood the substance of what you said: upsampling adds pixels without adding detail.
But perhaps you should have said "softening" instead of "pixelation" to avoid confusion.
And that softening can of course be somewhat countered by sharpening after resizing.
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