I just exported a Premiere Pro timeline using the Media Encoder with H.264 Blu-ray format and the 1080i 29.97 HQ preset. Presumably, you would choose this so that you do not have to transcode when you get to Encore. However, when I put my 16GB M4V file in a timeline, it wants to transcode saying it is "Untranscoded". Why? It also says the Blu-ray disc is only 11GB.
Please tell me there is something I can do to prevent from having to re-encode or transcode this file when it is already in a Blu-ray format.
I think I just figured this out...
Based on posts from CS4, Adobe did not fix the H.264 Blu-ray presets where the Profile Level must be set to Main instead of High for Blu-ray compatibility in Encore.
That said, I believe the High profile level is actually adopted by Blu-ray standards, so perhaps the AME team has it right, but Encore is not correctly recognizing them?
Does this help?
CS5 Encore Files & Formats http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/cs/using/WS5C9E1CF8-B5BC-436f-89D3- 61DDC02A2C47a.html
I used an Adobe Media Encoder stock preset. Encore should be able to hand ALL of them. That's the whole point of using the H.264 Blu-ray as opposed to the H.264 format.
It appears that setting the Profile to Main instead of High as suggested in other posts from CS4 works. I just shouldn't have to. The consensus from the CS4 posts were that the presets were made wrong and should have been corrected for CS5, but they weren't.
I just wonder if it's the presets that are wrong or if Encore has a bug and isn't recognizing the files correctly.
>wonder if it's the presets that are wrong or if Encore has a bug
Bug Report and Feature Request https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
OK, it turns out that Encore is properly recognizing short 15 second clips rendered with the mentioned preset, but once I do the full 96 minute movie that is my project, it does not drop in with "Don't Transcode". I did the 15 second clip and then duplicated the entry in Adobe Media Encoder, and just changed the render to entire sequence. Very strange. If I remember correctly, a previous render I did that was 3 minutes long exhibited the problem as well.
I'm getting the same thing. I setup AME and then Encore reports needs transcoding. So sad that this is not fixed yet.
Also, I have tried encoding from within Enocore and have tried making a custom setting. Encore selects the custom setting and then encodes at the lowest setting anyway. So instead of a 15GB 1.5 hour long Blu Ray, I get a 4.5 GB Blu Ray.
muzicman82 wrote:
I just exported a Premiere Pro timeline using the Media Encoder with H.264 Blu-ray format and the 1080i 29.97 HQ preset. Presumably, you would choose this so that you do not have to transcode when you get to Encore. However, when I put my 16GB M4V file in a timeline, it wants to transcode saying it is "Untranscoded". Why? It also says the Blu-ray disc is only 11GB.
Please tell me there is something I can do to prevent from having to re-encode or transcode this file when it is already in a Blu-ray format.
is it that stupid "2 pass VBR" bug showing its ugly head?
<vent> i swear.... when it comes to DVD authoring encore is great, but encore BD authoring is just atrocious. if i had a first born son to sell, i would totally pony up for Sony Blu-Print and be done with it once and for all... but alas i'm dealing with what i have.... i really wish for CS6 they would give Sonic the middle finger if sonic won't update authorcore for adobe, and recreate encore from ground up to better work with BD on their own terms (like the work they did with overhauling/rewriting Audition) or have 2 seperate apps. Encore DVD with sonic authorcore engine and Encore BD with some new adobe proprietary nonsense. or try to hit-up sony to see if they would lend a scaled down engine of blu-print to be the backbone and say "up yours sonic, we got sony." i just wish encore BD was a smidge comparable to scenarist/blu-print/dostudio or such. why can't i make a flipping simple pop-up menu with backgrounds without jumping through all the layer edge hoops?!?
i realize those apps are priced that way for a reason.... but i have yet to really be creatively inhibited when it comes to DVD authoring, but i'm constantly hitting walls and upsets with BD authoring when i step outside a few familiar templates. i want more interactivity. ah well... </vent>
hello,
"This bug is with only H264 VBR 2 Pass presets and if you change to VBR 1 Pass keeping evverything same, the bug should not be there."
honestly speaking, most everyone agrees that 2 pass is better quality than 1 pass
and if this issue has been happening since cs4 and we just received our first update
to cs5.5.1 for ppro, why does adobe still require us to 'lower' quality settings...
it's almost like adobe doesn't want us exporting a full quality BD...
doesn't adobe have the resources to fix this issue already?
unless there is an acceptable answer, then shouldn't this be unacceptable...?
this is almost like saying, "yeah the full hd presets don't work, but if you use the standard def presets, you should be okay..."
especially if other authoring programs can do 2pass BD discs...
is there an acceptable answer as to why this issue hasn't been fixed?
is there any plans to update encore?
thanks,
jeffrey
jeffrey,
Did you try setting the Profile to Main instead of leaving it at the default High setting? I just did, and En ingested the file from the AME as "Don't Transcode".
Setting it to Main is a much better workaround than going from 2-pass to 1-pass, and if you save the modified preset, it's always just a single click away in the Preset control of the Export Settings dialog.
And please do fill out a bug report as you see the bug: is the bug that the included preset defaults to the High profile when only Main will work with 2-pass VBR in En without transcoding? Or is the bug that using the High profile with 2-pass VBR results in a file that En thinks it has to transcode? Or both? And consider that with all the bugs in En that need fixing, the fact that this issue has at least 2 viable workarounds (OK, maybe one-and-a-half viable workarounds) may likely push it to the bottom of the fix-it list.
-Jeff
hello,
it was my understanding that the 2pass issue is separate from
the main/high issue...
i thought all 2pass BD would be shirked by encore...
""Setting it to Main is a much better workaround than going from 2-pass to 1-pass, and if you save the modified preset, it's always just a single click away in the Preset control of the Export Settings dialog""
i interpret this as a 'main/2pass BD project' works,
but a 'high/2pass BD project' doesn't work...
i'm confused with the 'going from 2 pass to 1 pass' because the forum threads say that 2pass doesn't work...
sorry for adding any confusion to a confusing matter...
thanks for helping
i don't mind workarounds as long as users don't have to sacrifice quality
which seems to be the issue going from 2 pass to 1 pass regardless of the main/high thing...
jeffrey
i thought all 2pass BD would be shirked by encore...
Nope.
i interpret this as a 'main/2pass BD project' works,
but a 'high/2pass BD project' doesn't work..
Correct.
i'm confused with the 'going from 2 pass to 1 pass' because the forum threads say that 2pass doesn't work...
...unless you change the profile from High to Main.
thanks for helping
You're welcome.
-Jeff
Hi,
I just wanted to say this bug, encore wanting to re-transcode, also happens with the PP Blu-ray MEG2 setting. I made a Blu-ray disc for the first time. Just used all default settings in adobe media encoder and a Blu-ray meg2 file. Encore wants to re-transcode the file. This should be fixed!! Plan and simple. Fix it. :-(
I love Premiere Pro, etc. But I hate that Adobe makes us, the end user, shell out $350 bucks just to get something fixed. The fix should be a free update. Stop creating a new version and work on fixing the current one. :-(. Bugs like this has been around since at least version CS2 and I am sick and tired that Adobe can't or won't fix the bugs. And we, the end user have to find our own work around. Plus I love the integration in CS5. that I don't have to render in a 3rd party app as a middle step as I had to in version CS3 to produce high quality DVDs. Adobe did finally implement a better and good quality workflow for authoring DVDs if you export/transcode one sequence at a time that is.
John Gerard
hello Jeff,
finally got around to trying out your suggestions...
i exported from PPRO cs5.03 as 1920x1080, 29.97 interlaced (upper), h264 main, 2pass
unmuxed (separate audio track ac3 and separate video track) that are imported as assets into encore
and encore still wants to transcode
so i used the same settings to transcode, too..
then encore at the end of the transcode states
BluRay Ojbect "<timeline> emilyshelby" error: "invalid format" code: "14" note: "error" this stream
doesn't include Pitcture Timing SEI unit offset = 150690284
can you please comment...i really don't want to have to use megui
thanks,
j
hello Jeff,
i just read the thread '
and i checked my files and the export from PPRO is interlaced upper field first
and the transcode (that didn't complete) is also interlaced upper field first
i trashed the encore preferences before i started
so i think i've done everything correctly
again, i don't want to have to use another program
and i don't want to be limited to 1 pass...
thanks again,
j
This "bug" has been going on for so long that it's reached a point of insanity. Plain and simple. I don't want to have to use a separate program...for example megui is PC based and I'm on a mac.
It's very simple to me...I should be able to use ADOBE! Media Encoder to be able to create the best quality output to put into ADOBE! Encore.
Come on. Just fix the damn problem. The end.
hello Jeff,
can you reply back with the specific locations
of the cache files and the cache database to delete please
(is it a cache within the Encore folder
or the media cache that cs5 uses that you see
within PPRO preferences that you can change the location of)
i am hoping it is the media cache attached to PPRO
because then i still have hope because the other oddity
of my project was that i re encoded the bluray from PPRO
to use the main profile setting at the export came out to be
like 24GB but Encore was still reading it as 32GB
(so it is picking up wrong information somewhere
which i'm hoping is the media cache database or media cache)
again thanks for helping me get through this
jeffrey
I am reporting the exact same problem.
Main
VBR 2 Pass
Encore will take it as untranscoded.
However, another project looks just fine, exact the same setting.
Could someone explain to me whether High just does not work? I have m4v from past project whcih are encoded by default setting (so High instead of Main). Am I left with the only option to re-encode? This is my biggest concern.
Thanks!
Just wanted to jump in here and say I am having the same exact issue.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4117698#4117698
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4117565#4117565
Trying all the same stuff, Encore wants to transcode 2-Pass VBR High/Main m4v files. If I encode just a minute or two of my sequence, it'll take it fine but the whole thing ~1.5 hrs it wants to re-transcode it.
Very odd and VERY frustrating, especially considering trying to find work arounds involves waiting for six hour + encodes to complete
This has been around since CS4?
That is ridiculous.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4118773#4118773
I have a message from Adobe developer saying it's fixed in Encore. I am hoping we will get that as an update/patch.
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