The Transformation Values isn't it. This is a path that appears when you have more than one object selected. It was designed to allow a user to resize multiple objects without having to group them. It's called a bounding box in Illustrator. I don't know what it's call in Indesign. The only thing I know is this option was forced on us users as a convience thing and there are some of us who hate it. Me included. There isn't any way currently to shut it off.
Yes, it can be disabled in 5.5 with a new user preference.
Bob, are you sure? I know you're still recovering from the weekend and answering by email, so maybe you don't remember that this thread is about the "super" bounding box that gets drawn around multiple selected objects as you click on them.
This thing is still driving me crazy. I desperately need to turn this feature off.
Does anyone know of an extension which is responsible for the Bounding Box I can disable? Or a Plugin I can install which does the trick?
I just can't understand why Adobe doesn't let me turn it off just like in Illustrator. Guess its just very hard to program.
I don't believe that's issue the poster is referring to, John. If you select multiple items you get a dotted line bounding box. I don't know why that presents a problem but apparently it does in this case.
No way to turn it off, AFAIK.
I just want top be able to turn it off, like in Illustrator, as I don't need it every time I work with InDesign. Let's say I want to layout a page of a magazine and I need to copy the upper 2/3 of the page – which contains a few Rectangle/Text Frames and maybe a Picture Frame – as I need to use the exact same layout for another article on the lower 1/3 of the page. However – the upper 2/3 part of the page is never going to fit on the lower 1/3 part without resizing first.
What I did in CS4 was select the items on the upper part, Option-Drag down to copy, adjust the heigt of the frames to make them fit, and – while the items still being selected – move them into place and maybe resize a bit more.
What happens now when I drag to copy the upper Frames I can't resize these items individually, instead all items scale proportionally. I don't need that to happen. And when I drag/copy the upper 2/3 pag down, below the upper article, I have to zoom in and out and go to the next page to be able to grab the lower handles of the Rectangle/Text Frames and resize all items one by one.
Can you explain how to do this in CS5 / 5.5?
I'm not exactly sure why this is an issue?
Move the items onto the lower 1/3 of the page. Select them individually and resize...?
Is it that you want to have them all selected and then resize them individually while all selected?
I don't remember this behaviour being different in CS3 or CS4??? I could be wrong.
Can you post a screen shot or something of the behaviour in Illustrator and InD CS4 and CS5?
I'm having a lot of trouble imagining what this issue is?
Interesting - I don't remember that lol
I guess I'm a go with the flow and whatever is there is what I work with. I didn't even notice Frame Edge Highlighting until pointed out
Interesting inteview with a programmer at Adobe here http://indesignsecrets.com/indesignsecrets-podcast-151.php
In it he explains how they get to 50/50 decisions on how something should work. Or perhaps it was a change they had meant to implement previously but never got around to it.
For instance, it might not have been the intention to allow selected objects to be transformed individually and they may not have gotten it the way they had planned until CS5.
But sometimes programmers have to go with what feels right, as explained in the Podcast interview.
Interesting to note that he does say the main guy actually reads the Wishlist - that was posted above.
So get your voice heard by the programming team boss and add it.
As David points out in the interview, you can't add a switch for everything, sometimes a decision has to be made and sometimes they get it wrong.
I can't see how the bounding box makes it more difficult to tell what is selected. What would you see that you don't see with the bounding box? (OTOH it's pretty easy to give the example of the bounding box showing that you have an invisible and unwanted object selected.) While I don't like a lot of structural things cluttering up the screen the bounding box does make the behaviour more intuitive -- it shows more clearly what is selected for transformation -- and ultimately behaviour should trump appearances.
Studio57NL complains that it is no longer possible to transform individual objects while having multiple objects selected, but I wonder why anyone would need to select multiple objects in order to transform them individually. The fact that the example given has them already selected seems irrelevant. Why would the objects need to stay selected once they have been copied? If they are a group, why aren't they grouped?
(I think in post 35 Bob is either mistaken or worded his thoughts awkwardly.) With the previous behaviour, selected objects could be transformed individually, but needed to be grouped in order to transform as a unit. Current behaviour allows selected objects to be transformed as a unit without grouping, but they can't be transformed individually. Seems a six of one half dozen of the other scenerio, but the current group behaviour is simplified and the Selection tool can now transform elements within a group without switching tools and double clicking, so I think the current behaviour comes out on top.
Me too. It drives me crazy, and I am using CS5.5 for months now. No, I can never adapt to this, because the problem is that when I choose several objects, that bounding box is so distracting, I can not see easily if I got all the objects I wanted. It depends on the layout. On simple pages its OK, but as I often have medium to very complex layouts and often need to choose many objects of different sizes, I can not see if I got them all, until I move them around. It is extremely annoying!
Yeah its annoying right? I too wish I could turn it off.
I really doubt if these so called "features" are requested by professional people who have to work with InDesign on a daily basis. I'm a long time ID user and I just can't imagine that these features add to a more productive workflow in a prepress department for example.
If you have to work with ID sometimes, make a brochure once a month or something and like to play around with ID I think that some features might be "fun" though. But they don't add to a more productive workflow. I sure could work a lot faster with the old – pre ID CS5 – selection system, selecting objects below the current active object worked so much better. Etc etc. Anyway I was less frustrated after a days work with ID.
Yes, exactly my opinion.
I am often thinking about going back to Indesign CS4. I have now quiet some CS5.5 files I must convert back to CS4, but as I have never before been cursing so much while working, for my nerves it would be worth the additional work.
Indesign 5.5 also is much slower, even when going back to lower quality display settings.
And often when I choose an image object, it takes the content instead of the whole frame. I have never before needed to be so careful when choosing objects and dragging around. Arrggl!
You might want to check your display options and if you have turned on the Content Grabber – which is another "handy feature":
Go to View > Extras > Show/Hide Content Grabber. Set it to Hide. (While here you also might want to disable those fun Live Corners.)
As for the slow screen redraw/performance when moving objects around or browsing pages you may want to check Interface settings in Preferences. Set the Hand Tool option to Greek Images and set the undermost option called Live Screen Drawing to Delayed.
Now you may want to adjust the Display Performance prefs. The default view setting I use is the "Typical" setting. I have a fairly fast system but I have to use fairly modest display quality setting to get things to work smooth. Especially when working with books or catalogues which contain a lot of images and (technical) illustrations:
(When using a complicated Illustrator file like a map or a lot of tech drawings I set this to Proxy.)
Next check you Pages panel. Take a look at the Panel Options. What preview size do you use? See if you have it set to Medium or Large previews and if you have Show Thumbnails enabled. Below, check if Transparancy is enabled and turn it off.
I’d like to consider myself a professional and I happen to find it useful. I’m open minded enough to know that not everyone is going to like a new feature.
Complaining here will get you nowhere fast. Try this instead: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
OK, thanks Studio 57NL, I found the solution to all the annoying problems in CS5.5.: I went back to CS4. And I realised, there is really nothing I am missing, except all the unnecessary new "features" and bugs. I am so glad I do not have to fight again with:
- Background PDF export status, which is not really "background" but hidden in a palette I have to dig up every time.
- Border around several choosen objects which distracts me always so much, I dont see anymore if all objects I need are really choosen.
- Choosing an image sometimes choose content instead of frame, without any logic.
- Grouping only works when it wants to
- Editing path points always starts with all points choosen
- slow, even whit lowest display quality settings
just naming the first ones that come in mind.
So I stick with CS4 and I am done with updating for the next decades, anyway since the new price politics make it all even more expensive as it already was.
You forgot another very annoying "feature": from ID CS5 doesn't remember window positions/sizes anymore and files always open in full screen window mode.
I'm sorry that you have to go back to CS4.
CS5 has some advantages as well – I like the PDF Export as I can export one file and while it is being exported I can keep working on, open or close any other file. As far as I'm concerned, that's even the only advantage I can think of right now that CS5 has over CS4.
Yes Bob, you are a professional. But considering your portfolio – with all respect – you are not quite the professional I am talking about. I was talking about the guys that have to work with ID day in day out and get things done. The guys who load up the prepress machines and make the plates so that the offset printers can keep running. A lot of ID features are there for the enthusiasts like yourself, who create a brochure or setup a letterhead every now and then.
Right, the window position. Similar thing in Photoshop by the way, images open together in a kind of "tabs" and always change window sizes.
No reason for "sorry". I am glad I realized how unnecessary it is to go along with upgrades. Well, I was always aware of that, but it never was so much obvious.
You can turn off tabbed windows in most apps:
Use Cmd +/- (plus and minus) foor zoom. You can control if Photoshop resizes the window accordingly:
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