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Attaching page break to a paragraph style. Can I?

Aug 31, 2010 8:32 AM

I know that we can set a paragraph to start on the next, left or right page, but is it possible to make a paragraph style that makes that para. the last one on the page? So I want the page break function attached to a style.

 

thanks

 

jon

 
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    Aug 31, 2010 8:40 AM   in reply to jaal

    Not that I know, all break options are for the start of a page.

     

    You'll have to manually replace the hard return at the end of those paragraphs with a page break of your choice.

     
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    Aug 31, 2010 9:27 AM   in reply to jaal

    jon a wrote:

     

    I know that we can set a paragraph to start on the next, left or right page, but is it possible to make a paragraph style that makes that para. the last one on the page? So I want the page break function attached to a style.

     

    thanks

     

    jon

    Hi, Jon:

     

    Are you expecting some kind of automation that detects something on the current page and sets a break to follow the last paragraph, or that sets a break on a paragraph that becomes the first one on the next page? If so, Jongware's comment fits.

     

    Depending on your logic, if InDesign had a keep option to keep a paragraph with a specified number of PREVIOUS lines, this might work for you.

     

    You can add your voice to those of others by submitting a formal request for a feature like "Keep With Previous Number of Lines" at https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform.

     

     

    HTH

     

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    Aug 31, 2010 10:53 AM   in reply to jaal

    Nah it doesn't.

     

    If you select the carriage return of the paragraph above, then replace that with a column break.

     
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    Aug 31, 2010 11:19 AM   in reply to peter at knowhowpro

    You could give the paragraph style a ridiculous Space After value, like 20 inches.

     
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    Aug 31, 2010 11:25 AM   in reply to Scott Falkner

    Sure why not give the last paragraph a keep option then? Then start it on a new page?


     
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:06 PM   in reply to Eugene Tyson

    Eugene Tyson wrote:

     

    Sure why not give the last paragraph a keep option then? Then start it on a new page?

    Because that’s not what the OP wants to do.

     
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:12 PM   in reply to peter at knowhowpro

    Uh... Peter, CS5 already has keep with previous...

     

    Harbs

     
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    Aug 31, 2010 12:36 PM   in reply to Harbs.

    Harbs. wrote:

     

    Uh... Peter, CS5 already has keep with previous...

     

    Harbs

    Sort, of, Harbs. It's just not adjustable, so it's not reliable for the OP's purpose.

     

    Ideally, to always keep a paragraph as the last on a page, InDesign needs the ability to set the paragraph to keep with a large number of previous lines, say approximately the number of lines that would nearly fill the page, not including the paragraph destined for last on the page, and not limited to the preceding paragraph only. Currently keep with next number of lines only applies to the next paragraph, and it seems to have a limit of only five lines, probably to keep the composition engine from melting.

     

    It would be simpler for users to choose the property "make last paragraph on page."<G>

     

    Failing that, maybe a commercial Harbs script or plug-in!

     

    HTH

     

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    Sep 1, 2010 4:20 AM   in reply to jaal

    Why not use TWO styles? One for the paragraph at the bottom of the page, and a second style for the "next style" and set the next style to

    start on next page?

     
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    Sep 1, 2010 7:23 AM   in reply to jaal

    Nuh uh

     

    If you select both paragraphs and then Right Click (cmd click) or go to the Paragraph Style panel sub-menu you can select to "Apply Next Style"

     

     
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    Sep 1, 2010 7:56 AM   in reply to jaal

    Yeh it's not intuitive at all.


     
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    Sep 1, 2010 8:04 AM   in reply to jaal

    jon a wrote:

     

    I know that we can set a paragraph to start on the next, left or right page, but is it possible to make a paragraph style that makes that para. the last one on the page? So I want the page break function attached to a style.

     

    thanks

     

    jon

    As Hannibal Lecter said to Clarice Starling in Silence of the Lambs, "First principles."

     

    So, what's the first principle here? Can you tell us more about why a certain paragraph needs to be the last on a page? And, does paragraph style matter, that is, is there only one style that must be last, or several styles?

     

     

    HTH

     

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    Sep 1, 2010 8:42 AM   in reply to jaal

    Did you try Scott's advice: set the Space After of that last paragraph to 20 inch?

     
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    Sep 1, 2010 8:42 AM   in reply to jaal

    A paragraph style can only have ONE next style, so you need a total of three styles for the essay (plus any other special styles). Style 1 is the first paragraph of any author's section and it starts on next page. Style 2 is the normal body text, and Style 3 is the last paragraph for each author.

     

    For styles 1 and two, set the next style to Style 2. For style 3 set it to Style 1. To format the already placed text, select the last paragraph of one section and the first paragraph of the next, right click style 3 in the panel and choose Apply style and next style.

     
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    Sep 1, 2010 9:12 AM   in reply to [Jongware]

    [Jongware] wrote:

     

    Did you try Scott's advice: set the Space After of that last paragraph to 20 inch?

    When I tried this, it seemed to work, but I decided against suggesting it because I was also playing with some other settings that affected subsequent paragraphs, and I wasn't sure if the combination was making it appear to work. Growing up in FrameMaker, I learned that space before a paragraph is ignored at top of frame/column/page, and space after a paragraph is ignored at bottom of frame/column/page.

     

    Well, lah de dah, InDesign honors space after a paragraph. Bingo. Simplest.

     

    However, I'm curious why it's important to mark the end of one contributor's work this way, rather than marking the start of another contributor's work by applying the start at top of frame/column/page property. Unless the first new contribution paragraph is moved to another position in the sequence, first is always first; Next Style assures that pressing Return at the end of the first paragraph when authoring, or selecting multiple paragraphs and applying the top-of-container style to the first paragraph and letting the Next Style option handle the rest of the selection.

     

    When the last paragraph moves forward in the text flow, or a paragraph is added after it, the new contributor's first paragraph at the top of the next container is not affected; if sufficient content is added or removed upstream to reflow the later contributors' work top-of-container always works as expected.

     

    Is there some compelling reason not to mark the author change by the first-paragraph-at-top method?

     

     

    HTH

     

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    Sep 1, 2010 10:35 AM   in reply to peter at knowhowpro

    Good point -- you probably don't need that last paragraph style after all..

     
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    Sep 1, 2010 10:55 AM   in reply to Peter Spier

    P Spier wrote:

     

    Good point -- you probably don't need that last paragraph style after all..

    Hoping the OP will like it.

     

    I don't think it's been mentioned that there's a gotcha with the Space Below approach - if the paragraph flows to the next container in the thread, the space below is honored and inserts a gap before the next paragraph that will need manual attention. The first-paragraph-starts-in-a-new-container method only needs manual attention if it's no longer the first paragraph in the container; in this situation, it needs to retagged as regular paragraph in the flow, and the true first paragraph needs to be retagged with the appropriate style.

     

     

    HTH

     

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    Sep 1, 2010 11:19 AM   in reply to jaal

    jon a wrote:

     

    As it is one continuous essay with different authors, one author's text doesn't necessarily start with the highest level ie A. Hed, it may start lower on the totem pole. That's why I hoped to mark the last paragraph on the previous page

    That makes it clear why you thought of the last-paragraph approach.

     

    Is there resistance to creating a start-at-top paragraph style for each of the likely heading levels, as well as a non-top style? You'd base each of the top-style paragraphs on their corresponding totem level paragraphs, and only add the top-start property, so any appearance changes applied to the the base style would affect the corresponding top-style, with no extra work.

     

    It's your call whether looking out for troublesome re-flows that affect the last-paragraph method is less effort than tagging the first new author's paragraph with level#-first-top style and tagging that author's ongoing paragraphs with level#-regular style. The next-style property can help here.

     

     

    HTH

     

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    Feb 16, 2013 2:26 AM   in reply to jaal

    Maybe the second part of the article below could be helpfull.

     

    How to make your chapter title always start on a new page.

     
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