I am experiencing a situation where I have a Frame with a stroke and a multiply effect which does not display in the PDF. If the multiply effect is removed, the object displays in the PDF. (I am using the PDF/X-4 preset to create the PDF.)
Any new paths created within the document exhibit the same results.
If I create a Frame or Path in a NEW document, apply the stroke and multiply effect, and then copy and paste it into my first document, the pasted items display in the PDF without difficulty.
If I copy the troublesome Frame from the original document and paste it into a new document, it exhibits the same results (it will not display in the PDF). I then create a new Frame in the new document, on the same layer, and with the same attributes. When a PDF is created the troblesome Frame will not display, but the new Frame right next to it will.
I have preflighted the resulting PDF, and both Frames are listed in the Form XObjects. I can also use the selection tool the the Acrobat Plug-In PitStop to select the Frame which is not displayed.
1. Am I missing a setting which is object specific and is carried with the copy paste?
2. What else could be the cause of this situation?
From the reference to Pitstop it seems pretty likely that you are viewing in Acrobat, not Preview, but can you confirm that? Preview is known to fail at proper display of any sort of PDF complexity.
The troubleshooting you've done would seem to point to some sort of object-level corruption for the particular object, rather than some general failing. Just to be sure, though, check the attributes panel for any mistakenly applied overprint or non-printing attribute. I think you ultimately just need to replace this object in the layout (you can try an export to .inx or .idml -- you don't give us a version here which could be helpful -- but I doubt it will fix it).
Are you viewing the PDF in an older version of Acrobat that requires turning on Overprint Preview?
You posted while I was responding and I see the answer
Message was edited by: Jeffrey_Smith
The transparency problem seems to be initiated by an interaction with other pages in the document. If I delete a range of pages, or move the troublesome page earlier in the document, I am able to create new transparent content that will display when PDF'ed, but the existing transparent content still exhibits the same problem.
Somehow specific content on the page is retaining the characteristics from this interaction with the other pages. Content has been moved to another layer without success, and prior to the page move new content was created on another layer without success.
I have uploaded samples including the original 52 page InDesign document with all confidential content removed except for some transparent objects on page 52. In this current state the existing objects and and new transparent objects will not display in the PDF.
Thank you to Lukas Engqvist on printplanet.com for this response:
"Somehow you have a corrupt clipping path. Your object does exist in the PDF file........... If you select both objects in Acrobat using the touch-up tool then right click you can remove the clipping path, and your hidden object appears."
The remove clip is an excellent fix suggestion and I hope to use it versus the recreate from blank document method. This will help me resolve the issue when it is brought to my attention, but I still hope to gain some understanding of the root cause.
In my post yeaterday I included the original 52 page document with all content removed from the pages with the exception of these sample shapes. Even with all of the additional content and layers deleted I am still experiencing the corruption. When I delete the additional pages, and then create a new object, no corruption is experienced with the new object.
Do we have any idea what what characteristics could be contained in the previous blank pages which would cause this corruption in the first place?
I know I have dropped a puzzle on the table here, and their is probably an underlying InDesign bug, but at this point I would like to understand the combination creating this situation.
Thank you again
Yes, I have tried removing all objects and creating new ones without success. I also tried the IDML or exchange file types and it did not work. I have posted a (zip) link to the InDesign files and PDF, and my more recent post explains the progress of my testing. Thank you again for your input.
I've been looking at and palyihng with your files, and get the same results that you report. The files export fine, by the way if you switch to Acrobat 4 compatibility to flatten the transparency.
Looking at the previous post with the information about the clipping paths, I decided to take a look at the PDFs in Illustrator since I don't have PitStop. The problem is indeed clipping paths for the those shapes, and it appears that the path definitions are null -- they simply have no points at all -- though I have no idea why that should be.
I appreciate someone with an advanced knowlege taking a look at these files. Due to our workflow we need to maintain transparency downstream. We do our best to retain live transparency until the file hits the RIP, so dropping our compatability level is unfortunately not an option. Since the problem is idiopathic and fairly uncommon (I hope I didn't just jinx myself), I will need to deal with the work around until we can find the direct cause of the problem.
Thank you again for looking deeper into the files. I will update if I discover anything new about them as well.
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