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Start line with a hyphen / double hyphen issue

Oct 25, 2010 6:42 AM

Hi there,

I'm having some troubles when using Portuguese (Brazilian) language on InDesign CS5. Some compound words are hyphenated two times at the brake point, starting a new line with another hyphen, like shown on the exemple. Any idea for fixing this?Double_hyphen_example.jpg

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  • Peter Spier
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    1. Peter Spier,
    Oct 25, 2010 7:15 AM   in reply to Ricardo Furtado
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    That's pretty odd. Might be a bug, or it might be that someone has manually inserted a second hyphen.

     

    What happens if you increas the width of the frame so the word doesn't need to break there? Do you see one hyphen of two? How about if the frame is the same width and you select the word and change the language?

     
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  • Peter Kahrel
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    2. Peter Kahrel,
    Oct 25, 2010 7:20 AM   in reply to Ricardo Furtado
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    In Portuguese, hyphenated words (i.e. compound words that always have a hyphen) repeat that hyphen is doubled when the hyphen fall at the end of a line. So you're not having problems!

     

    Peter

     
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    3. Peter Spier,
    Oct 25, 2010 7:23 AM   in reply to Peter Kahrel
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    Just learned something new. Thanks.


     
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    4. Peter Kahrel,
    Oct 25, 2010 7:34 AM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    > repeat that hyphen is doubled when the hyphen fall

     

    Good you can make sense of this monstrosity!

     

    P.

     
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    5. Peter Spier,
    Oct 25, 2010 7:39 AM   in reply to Peter Kahrel
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    Could easily have typed that myself...


     
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  • Ricardo Furtado
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    6. Ricardo Furtado,
    Oct 25, 2010 7:58 AM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    When i increase the width of the frame, the hyphenation returns correct. When i change the language, the "wrong" hyphen disappears too. The fact is, the whole text i am working in is in Portuguese, and this is happening in multiple compound words. I need to find a way, at least, to detect when a line starts with a hyphen; finding these issues just reading the text is out of question... The text is too large...

     
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  • Ricardo Furtado
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    7. Ricardo Furtado,
    Oct 25, 2010 8:11 AM   in reply to Peter Kahrel
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    Dude, you're f... right! The fact is, here in Brazil (and the countries that speak portuguese) there is a New Grammar Rule beeing indroduced. I (and my studio mates) assume that never, until now, had seen an occurrence like this.

     

    Thank you for the explanation.

     
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  • Peter Spier
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    8. Peter Spier,
    Oct 25, 2010 8:11 AM   in reply to Ricardo Furtado
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    Did you see the response from the other Peter? He seems to think this is correct typographic style for Portuguese. Perhaps the conventions are different in Portugal and Brazil? I'm guessing from your name you are a native Portuguese speaker?

     
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  • marc_io
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    9. marc_io,
    May 15, 2012 12:17 PM   in reply to Peter Spier
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    This double hyphen that appears sometimes in the text came from a rule called, in Portuguese grammar, "translineação". Is in effect in all the countries that have Portuguese as their official language: http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_Ato2007-2010/2008/Decreto/D6583. htm

     
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