Can you easily explain how to do this so that I can create camera profiles for my Canon G11? 

Would this help with matching colors between my G11 and my Nikon D700 if, let's say, I'm shooting with both cameras at the same location?

To match two cameras, at least to some degree, you use a color-checker and Adobe or X-Rite software to create a custom dual-illuminant profile, and/or set of profiles for different lighting conditions, based on the Adobe Standard profile for each of your cameras.

To create a custom profile you buy a Color Checker Passport from X-Rite which includes the software or use a larger, standard-sized Color Checker also available from X-Rite and then use the DNG Profile Editor from Adobe Labs.

ColorChecker Passport:

http://xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?ID=1257

DNG Profile Editor:

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles

Looks good.  Thanks for the heads-up.

Most of the false profiles I did personally were done Pre DNG Profiler or CC Passport. In fact I refer to them as presets. They were presets using a Macbeth card and a combination of the Tone curve , camera profile and HSL tabs in ACR . Being a Nikon- Fuji user my main objective was to try to produce fuji -portrait -fuji - velvia look with my D200 -D2x cameras. I found reproducing the ACR interpretations of the Fuji more successful than reproducing the colors given by the Fuji software. None of them were perfect. But as presets I found it easier to address color problems on an image to image basis. The big problem colors from memory was Blue - Cyan and Orange - Brown . With skin tones on a Fuji the shadow is a lot redder and more saturated than the Nikon ( being more yellow and muddy). When this was addressed the oranges went way to red. Later after Dng profiler was released I had a couple of goes but from memory it had different issues. I still occasionally use these presets on my D2x's & D200 but if final output if within the confines of the S5 I will use one of my S5s, those files are like putty.

ssprengel wrote:

 

The DNG Profile Editor/X-Rite Passport software and the Datacolor HSL presets would seem to complement each other, so I'd likely use both.

I would suggest you look a bit further...dealing with a Preset vs a DNG Profile is different...

Hello,

are this Camera Profiles usable also on a D3X. Maybe not, I tried to install in the camera profiles folder under camera raw but they are not shown with files made by my D3x...

Thanks

Cristiano

Thank you!

Given your mention of the color difference, is it possible you dragged a zip file into the CameraProfiles folder?  Windows Explorer attempts to make zip files look like folders, so there could be confusion there, but Adobe will not read information out of zip files directly.

Try making a subfolder under CameraProfiles called Custom.  Then try dragging the .dcp files specifically into that folder.

I'm assuming your camera is one of the ones noted.

-Noel

One more thing...

When I add profiles for my own camera, I don't put them in the location listed above, I put them here:

C:\Users\NoelC\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

This is more flexibly expressed in the general case as the following, which can be pasted into the Windows Explorer address bar:

%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

-Noel

No, the beta profile for the D300 will NOT work for the D300s.

Would you mind posting the link to the D300s .dcp file that you found.  I'd like to try it.  Thanks.

John

That's curious. Those profiles should work for the D90 as well since the sensors are the same. The D3 and the D700 have the same relationship as the D90 to the D300. Since I do have that folder in Camera RAW I thought about renaming the D300 to d90 to see if it works.

Noel, whay two loactions for the same data? Seems then that ACR has to then search both locationss if data is in both?

As far as I know these files are not selected by file name, but by data/settings/description in the file.

But I am still wondering if the D300 / D300s thing can be changed with some kind of DCP editor?

There is a D90 version there as well, which I installed. The only difference from Adobe Standard is a shift in white balance, so far as my eye perceives.

A millisecond here, a millisecond there, pretty soon it adds up to serious time!

John, these D300 dcps will works as well with a little extra work!

Given that a given profile is specific to a particular camera, and it seems likely there are differences even between siblings in two models from the same manufacturer released around the same time, I'm curious about whether you actually get color you like with it/them after hacking to work with a different model than they were designed for.

I fully understand and agree that Adobe's own profiles (at least for the cameras I've had) leave something to be desired.  Still, it seems a stretch that a profile developed for a different camera could deliver better color than what you get out of the box for your camera from Adobe.

Am I wrong about the differences between particular models being significant?

Thanks for the tip on the free "decompiler", Sucher888.

-Noel

Noel Carboni wrote:

 

Given that a given profile is specific to a particular camera, and it seems likely there are differences even between siblings in two models from the same manufacturer released around the same time, I'm curious about whether you actually get color you like with it/them after hacking to work with a different model than they were designed for.

I think this is a special case, as the D300s replaced the original D300 after 2 years, and was a minor revision to accomodate video, which had become popular since the D300 was introduced. Apart from the additional Quiet Shutter facility, I don't think much else was changed. Even the D90, which was introduced between the two, uses the same sensor.

I don't want to be argumentative, and I know nothing about Nikon, but are we really sure these cameras use the same AA/IR block filter, same sensor filter compositions, same amplifiers and A to D conversion, and same raw data processing?

A small variance in any of these things could make a big difference in the color characteristics.

-Noel

> I don't want to be argumentative, and I know nothing about Nikon, but are we really sure these cameras use the same AA/IR block filter, same sensor filter compositions, same amplifiers and A to D conversion, and same raw data processing?

compare Nikon D300 Adobe Standard.dcp and Nikon D300S Adobe Standard.dcp... they are identical...

C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Adobe Standard>fc /b "Nikon D300 Adobe Standard.dcp" "Nikon D300S Adobe Standard.dcp"

Comparing files Nikon D300 Adobe Standard.dcp and NIKON D300S ADOBE STANDARD.DCP

0000000E: 0B 0C

000000B4: 00 53

so there are several possibilities here:

1) simply a sloppy job (Adobe just copied data from D300 profile to D300s profile ... companies do that... PhaseOne copied once .icc profile from Pentax K7 /samsung sensor/ to Pentax K5 /sony sensor/ and did the same for some other cameрas in C1 v6.x)

2) no difference really or differences are not detactable using standard Adobe profile creation technology/tools (colochecker, DNG Profile Editor, etc)

3) differences are considered miiniscule based on how ACR/LR are working codewise during raw conversion using .dcp profiles

so what do you think

Will they too need an exposure offset of -0.5?