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BRUSH TOOL NOT SMOOTH

Jan 24, 2011 5:44 PM

I have an issue with my Cintiq not drawing smoothly in Flash. I need to sketch incredibly fast and loose. Flash used to work just fine but now it suddenly began drawing really crummy. I posted some examples of flash as well as Photoshop, Sketchbook Pro, and ToonBoom Animate Pro which is another vector graphics tool. I thought the vector graphics may be the issue but that app seems to handle the drawing excellently (now if only it did the other things Flash can do). Here's some examples of how they're looking. It may be hard to tell in these already loose sketches but the performance drop is really a big difference in responsiveness between Flash vs the other apps here:

 

IMAGE EXAMPLE

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l613/jedoralive/LINEUP.jpg

 

SYSTEM SPECS

ATI Radeon HD 4870

2x3 Ghz Dual Core Intel Xeon

8GB RAM

4TB HD

 

Does anyone know why my cintiq is causing flash to draw so poorly? Occasionally photoshop will also do the same 'crumbly edges' thing? Any idea how to fix it?

 
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    Jan 25, 2011 8:42 PM   in reply to robosnacks

         Flash is not necessarily made for drawing... I mean you could use Flash, and I agree it does have bad quality for drawing! In the Brush tool you can adjust the smoothness of your line. But I believe Photoshop or Illustrator would do a much better job.

     

         Another solution, buy a drawing tablet($100-$2000)! Much better for drawing in any program!

     
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    Feb 20, 2011 3:06 PM   in reply to robosnacks

    I don't know if this helps but Flash will draw signifigantly faster, smoother and generally better if ithe drawing you're doing is not nested inside a symbol. Granted, Flash still bites at drawing but the older CS3 was a beautiful program and Adobe has been destroying it revision after revision. I can't imagine what they'll ruin is Flash CS6!

     

    To the guy who said that Flash isn't a drawing tool, then why on earth does it have a brush tool and a pencil tool? Of COURSE it was meant to draw with and that should not be an excuse fopr Adobe to shake their head and say oh well... use a competitor's program. I can't imaigne it's that complicated for them. Infact they've recently made it even harder with the joke tool known as Advanced Smooth which effectively does nothing. I used to be able to smooth my wiggly lines out with the Smooth tool, but since Adobe has borked that tool, I can't A small company like Toonboom has beaten the crap out of them with vectors and it's high time Adobe did something about it isntead of wasting it's time fighting with Apple.

     
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    Feb 21, 2011 5:28 AM   in reply to robosnacks

    You can use ILLUSTRATOR of Adobe to draw much faster and smoother than Flash. With my experience, I draw my art to ILLUSTRATOR then import it to flash. Before importing to FLASH, you should layered your art properly in ILLUSTRATOR.

     
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    Feb 21, 2011 3:48 PM   in reply to Ysong_1983

    Why would I want to use Illustrator if Flash is supposed to be able to draw natively? Illustrator is clunky and convoluted with regards to drawing. It's not intuative at all which is typical for Adobe. They made it a long time ago and people got used to it and now they are stuck in the quandry of making it easier to sue or stickign with what they had. They should do the same for Flash. It's no different. It worked fine as it was in CS 3. Now they've made it worse. I HATE CS5 and I imagine will hate CS6 even more so I am stuck using CS3 forever I suppose.

     
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    Feb 21, 2011 4:07 PM   in reply to robosnacks

    Glad to help. What I do is draw everything on layers on the stage. When I am done I hit f8 and turn each file into a symbol. Then I select them all and cut. I then create an empty symbol for the art and paste all the layers inside it. Then I reselect them all and hit Distribute to layers. Whenever I want to draw though, I go back out to the desktop first and draw it then cut and paste. It definitely works better and granted Flash isnt the best tool but combining that emthod with using the Smooth tool once (which is GONE in CS5) you can get a fairly decent drawing. I will say Storyboard Pro is far supierior though when drawing with vectors and I try to use it as much as I can.

     
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    Feb 21, 2011 5:31 PM   in reply to robosnacks

    http://imageupload.org/?di=1212983382234

     

    Here is an image showing where the smoothness slider is in flash CS3 for the brush, just incase it is of any use.

     
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    Feb 21, 2011 5:37 PM   in reply to prodigalmaster

    Thanks but I wasnt talking about that Smooth tool. That's for the brush. I meant the Smooth tool that is under Modify/Shape. In CS5 it has been replaced with some crap called the Advanced Smooth tool but when you use it it does nothing to smooth out a pencil or a brush line. Why oh WHY can't they just ADD stuff instead of replacing it with junk? I mean it's kinda stupid... they had a crappy drawing tool and I figured out a way around it so I could use it effectively so what did they do? They KILLED the one thing that actually FIXED drawings! What the heck is THAT about?

     
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    Feb 21, 2011 5:43 PM   in reply to Asymetrical

    ah right in CS3 I just looked and saw the mooth and straighten tools. What they got rid/messed them up in the new versions? hrm I wonder what else they messed up. Maybe I should just stay with CS3 xD (Adobe, if you're readin this, you lose customers through being stupid and getting rid of or destroying perfectly useful tools, shame on you.)

     
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    Sep 11, 2011 2:29 PM   in reply to robosnacks

    I definitely agree that your ideal solution would be to get Flash to draw as good as you'd like.. But if that's just not possible, I don't know if you've considered it or not, but maybe a way to get the best of both worlds would be to use a JSFL script to import your hundreds of sketches into the timeline of whatever project you're working on.

     

    You could author your artwork in whichever program did the best, and then 1-click on a special custom panel in Flash could bring all the sketches over and position them on the timeline, putting each one on a new frame, etc., whatever you needed it to do.

     

    Not ideal, but it seems a lot of problems like this in Flash aren't so much "Figure out how to get the tool to do what you want", but "Figure out how to get the tool to do as close to what you want as possible with as little fuss as possible."

     
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    May 12, 2013 8:17 AM   in reply to robosnacks

    Absolutely agree.

     

    Flash is so a great and professional program, thay have been improving a lot with the years.

     

    More and more people is using it, and for cartoonist around the world is the prefered tool because the simple interface and powerfull features.

     

    But Adobe, focusing in programming enviroment and forgetting all the tools to create content, is transforming Flash to the next "Macormedia Director".

     

    Flash doesn't need to much new tools for drawing, but NEEDS to improve those that already have.

     

    It's time

     
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    Aug 12, 2013 6:18 PM   in reply to robosnacks

    yeah actually Flash CC is a bit better at drawing but it still is not at all as good as Toonboom's Storyboard Pro, or Animate.Nevertheless, it's much better than it in say CS3 in my opinion.  I actually use Flash CS6 at work and Flash CC at home and find Flash CS 6 to be not bad but CC to be a tiny bit better. It seems to be able to handle curves better and drawing fast so there's not as many blobby lines as there used to be. One thing I've found is drawing up close seems to work best for Flash. Also the rasterize thing is because you probably have the display se t to View/ Preview Mode/Fast which will definitely make it look ratersized.

     
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    Aug 19, 2013 8:04 PM   in reply to robosnacks

    robosnacks wrote:

     

    Um...now for some reason the brush tool options for sensitivity and tilt simply don't show up in CC. They work fine in CS6 still but for some reason CC they stopped appearing. I re-installed the cintiq drivers and they work fine in every other app but Flash. Restarted app and machine multiple times. Still not working.

     

    Anyone know what's causing this?

    In Flash CC. the pressure and tilt option buttons appear only after the pen has been brought in proximity to the drawing surface atleast once. I'd also highly recommend updating to the latest Flash CC version (13.0.1).

     
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    Aug 20, 2013 12:22 AM   in reply to robosnacks

    robosnacks wrote:

     

    Thanks for the reply. Well, earlier when I'd click the brush tool with my stylus - it would crash. Repeatedly. I updated to the newest version and now, when I click on it nothing happens. It doesn't crash, but the options don't come up either.

     

    You're clicking on the Brush tool with the stylus? Then the pressure and tilt buttons should appear in the toolbar, immediately after the "brush size" and "brush shape" buttons. Could you please try switching to some other tool (say pencil), and then switch back to the Brush tool.

     

    If this doesn't work, could you please share some more information like OS version, Wacom device name, and the Wacom driver version?

     
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    Aug 23, 2013 8:35 PM   in reply to robosnacks

    Can you log a bug @

    https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

     

    with the steps. This will enable us to get in touh with you for th ecrash dumps on email.

     

    Thanks,

    Sujai

     
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