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Motherboard Selection

Feb 1, 2011 8:41 AM

In building a new computer, my biggest question comes down to motherboard selection.  If I choose the Asus Sabertooth vs the Asus Rampage II for about $100 more, what am I really gaining?  Anything that will significantly help in video editing?

 

Does anyone have any advice on the best motherboard for video editing assuming I will be going with the i7-950 processor, a GTX 470 video card, and ~12-24gb of Tri Channel ram?

 
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    Feb 1, 2011 9:10 AM   in reply to Adamousman

    A number of things to look for in selecting a new mobo:

     

    1. Features.

     

    Number of SATA and eSATA ports, on-board audio, on-board IEEE-1394, IDE, raid chip used, number of PCI-e 16x slots and physical position, USB2 and USB3 connections, number of NIC's, general layout, etc.

    You have to decide what is relevant for you and what you can do without. The more features required, the fewer your options.

     

    2. Quality.

     

    Find out whether high quality capacitors were used. Japanese and a larger number is better.

     

    3. Warranty and price.

     

    Keep in mind that with video cards often occupying two slots, the physical location of PCI-e slots becomes more important, especially with regards to the slot that will be unusable, and for cooling.

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 9:54 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    >video cards often occupying two slots

     

    Yes... when I built my CS5 computer (see http://forums.adobe.com/thread/652694?tstart=0 for more) I only needed space for 2 cards... nVidia which I knew would take 2 spaces, and old Pinnacle Dv500 to use in WinXP via dual-boot to finish digitizing my old collection of VHS tapes to write to DVD

     

    What I bought works for me... but that may not mean much to anyone else

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 3:56 PM   in reply to Adamousman

    I can only say what worked for me... click the link I provided

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 5:06 PM   in reply to Adamousman

    I'm looking at the Sabertooth myself.  I'd have no hesitation buying one.

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 6:47 PM   in reply to Adamousman

    If you are considering ASUS mobos, the information here may be of use:  http://forums.adobe.com/thread/719538?tstart=0

    which I compiled when I was searching for information to make a decision.  You will want to check current prices to assist in the comparison - you can often get a processor-mobo combination deal from NewEgg.  There's a good discussion about UPS units in that thread too - and other invaluable discussions in this hardware forum.

     

    I decided on the ASUS Rampage III Formula mobo and I am happy with it; however, the SATA III ports (6 Gb/s) on the mobo use Marvell 91xx drivers and do not deliver the performance that I expected, particularly with a SATA III SSD connected as an OS/program drive in my system.  I ended up using ACHI drivers on those ports and am running at SATA II speeds - not the best solution, but one I can live with until Marvell/ASUS release a BIOS update to correct the issue - if ever.

     

    Airflow through my case (HAF-X) and across memory (24Gb DDR3-1600) and the single overclocked 470 graphics card is excellent, plenty of drive space and fan connectors on the mobo.  I guess my point is to consider the mobo you select with respect to the case you select as well.  Harm will always suggest to get the most monstrous case you can tolerate - and that was/still is good advice.

     

    Harm's and John's other comments are right on target.  Good luck!

     
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    Feb 2, 2011 8:46 AM   in reply to John T Smith

    One note on CS5 PC. It works very well for me except that according to the Asus technician I spoke to, the Asus P6 SE motherboard  is not designed to work in mixed RAID and non-RAID configuration.  I implemented Harm's 5 drive system  with one drive out of RAID 5 with W7 & CS5. I cannot imagine why the bios allowed me to implement a mixed mode system if it was not supported but it did. It worked well saving me when one of the 4 drives in RAID 5 failed. The problem was that transferring video files to the system through USB & Firewire was always slow and at times impossibly slow. I solved the problem by taking all the drives out of RAID but now I have no immediate backup.

     
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    Feb 2, 2011 8:15 PM   in reply to Adamousman

    Samsung F4 320 GB.

     
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    Feb 3, 2011 6:53 AM   in reply to Adamousman

    Hello, im tryng to build a machine too.I use mostly after effects and c4d , I would like to ask if ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Motherboard is a good motherboard

    Cheers Marsio

     
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    Feb 3, 2011 12:05 PM   in reply to marxiouk

    Can you even buy that one at this point?


     
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    Feb 3, 2011 10:31 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    You might find it helpful to check out the PPBM5 results page... (Premier Pro Benchmark CS5).  http://www.ppbm5.com/

    They list all the components in the packages along with the performance results of the combos.

    I have the SR2 motherboard (the fastest on the list), but with lower speed processors and graphics card, so my results were somewhat less stellar than that one.

    My builder along with friends and colleagues said that one should get the motherboard they can expand upon... for example the SR2 presently has 24mb Ram onboard... expandable to 48... seemingly out of the question at this point, but in the future?  Who knows?

    One problem I had to deal with was that the coolermaster case I had was too small and I had to order a Lian Li PC-V2120 case and a bunch of extra fans.

    It does have USB3 as well as USB2 on it and seems to have room for everything... the processors are offset from each other and run fairly cool.

    Overall I'm happy, but I still have some playback issues to work out.

     
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    Feb 4, 2011 2:56 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Sorry Jim, im really dont have too much knowledge of hardware and im tryng to

    build a machine that works well with adobe and cd4, what motherboard would you suggest?

     
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    Feb 4, 2011 11:38 AM   in reply to marxiouk

    If I had to buy right now, I'd probably go with an Asus Sabertooth and i7 950 CPU.

     
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    Feb 4, 2011 12:56 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Do you know if this MOBO is designed to support multiple drives - one out of raid and the rest in as Harm specifies?

     
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    Feb 4, 2011 2:55 PM   in reply to Francis Breen

    Sorry, I do not.  If I were to use a RAID, I'd go with an added Areca controller.


     
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    Feb 7, 2011 2:28 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Hello Jim, why you would prefere  Asus Sabertooth instead of P8P67delux

     
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    Feb 7, 2011 2:30 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Hello Jim , why you would prefer Asus Sabertooth instead of ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Motherboard

    cheers marsio

     
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    Feb 7, 2011 8:19 PM   in reply to marxiouk

    The Sabertooh has more PCI lanes.  This would allow full speed operation of both the GPU and a RAID controller card.  With newer P67 mobos, you don't have that option.  Something will have to run at less than full speed.

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 2:18 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Ok, but my reseller toldme that if im going to buy a mother board like  Sabertooh then im going to have problems to upgrade in the future. You think thats is true?

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 2:29 AM   in reply to marxiouk

    The same applies to the P67 platform, in fact to (almost) every platform imaginable.

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 2:35 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    And Saberthoo is also affected by this chipset problem?

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 3:55 AM   in reply to marxiouk

    Sabertooth is a name for a specific range of motherboards, used for several platforms like X58 and P67. Only P67 is plagued by problems in the chipset, the X58 is not.

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 4:04 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    Now, if the p67 dont had the problems,for someone who want to work with animation,desing and 3d what is the advantge having a p67 instead of a x58?

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 4:26 AM   in reply to marxiouk

    IMO none. P67 is a new architecture designed for middle of the road systems, X58 is an older generation architecture, aimed at high performance systems.

     

    For 3D and animation work you are better off with a high performance system than a middle of the road system. If you can wait till Q4/2011, the new X68 platform will be introduced, that is the successor of the X58 platform. That is worth waiting for. Double the PCI-e lanes, 50% more memory, triple channel instead of dual channel memory, double the cores, double the L3 cache or more, no worthless integrated graphics, in all a small step for chip producers but a giant step for users.

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 7:46 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    mm ok, i just been to the reseller and he said the x58 intel i7 950 is  slower than the i7 2600k 67p and also if im going for the  "old"  generation it is gonna be a bit more expensive... i really dont know  what to do...at this point

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 8:47 AM   in reply to marxiouk

    This reseller is great in creating confusion. He does not say what is faster. If he means the default clock speed, he is correct. If he means an editing rig for CS5, then he is obviously utterly wrong. See PPBM5 Benchmark

     

    He also is wrong about prices. 2600K/P67 is marginally more expensive than 950/X58.

     

    Even an overclocked 2600K @ 4.9 GHz is beaten by a lowly 920 @ 3.7 GHz. Despite excessive overclocking and more memory (16 versus 12).

     

    I suggest you find a better reseller, who knows his business, not only his bonus targets.

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 9:48 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    well thanks for all your suggestion, at least i think im going for the old generation....but now the doubt comes between the Asus RampageIII Extreme

    and the Sabertooh. Why you would prefer one instead of the other.

    Ps. Im interested to build a machine that works good with after effects and cinema4d

    cheers Marsio

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 9:54 AM   in reply to marxiouk

    The Rampage is about $150 more expensive than the Sabertooth.  The question you need to ask yourself is, does the Rampage have additional features you need?  If not, get the Sabertooth.

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 10:05 AM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Yes i know , but the problem is that i dont know how to value the feautures... Infact im asking for advices

    I would spend 100 £ more if the rampage offers more benefits on working on after effects and c4d

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 10:23 AM   in reply to marxiouk

    8-2-2011 19-16-18.jpg

    Of course, if you don't know how to value extra PCI-e ports, firewire connections, etc. then it gets difficult. From my perspective, the 4 PCI-e 2x 16 lane connectors on the Rampage mean nothing, the two FW400 connectors are very important for me, the raid modi are utterly irrelevant, and the extra SATA 300 port not relevant.

     
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    Feb 8, 2011 1:14 PM   in reply to marxiouk
    i dont know how to value the feautures.

     

    You do it based on your needs.  What does the Rampage have the other doesn't?  Do you need it, or not?

     

    It's really pretty simple.

     
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    Feb 9, 2011 2:46 AM   in reply to Jim Simon
     
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    Feb 9, 2011 6:11 AM   in reply to marxiouk

    So what?

     
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    Feb 9, 2011 6:23 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard-38t4Q4

    well it demonstrates that I7 2600k is faster than ii7950 in term of reenders

     
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    Feb 9, 2011 10:21 AM   in reply to marxiouk
    well it demonstrates that I7 2600k is faster than ii7950 in term of reenders

     

    For these tests, agreed. For PR CS5, NO. Look at the link I gave you.

     

    CPUTimeRPI
    Memory
    i7-920 @ 3.7158114.512 GB
    i7-950 @ 4.2182133.012 GB
    i7-2600K @ 4.7162117.616 GB
    i7-2600K @ 4.8205182.716 GB
    i7-2600K @ 3.9245210.08 GB

     

    to show some examples that the 2600K in PRACTICE is definitely not faster. The limitation of AnandTech is that they only test CPU performance, not an integrated system and no practical situations, only non-repeatable (synthetic) benchmarks, without taking into the equation the impact of other components.

     

    Sure, this CPU is fast, but the platform to install it on is severely handicapped. It is like buying a very fast Porsche and then let your eighty year old granny drive it to the shopping mall.

     
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    Feb 9, 2011 10:36 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard-38t4Q4

    Sorry, Jive played up again with a large malignant swelling of my user name and not accepting my previous edit to remove the Header4 text from the 4-th column.

     
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