In building a new computer, my biggest question comes down to motherboard selection. If I choose the Asus Sabertooth vs the Asus Rampage II for about $100 more, what am I really gaining? Anything that will significantly help in video editing?
Does anyone have any advice on the best motherboard for video editing assuming I will be going with the i7-950 processor, a GTX 470 video card, and ~12-24gb of Tri Channel ram?
A number of things to look for in selecting a new mobo:
Number of SATA and eSATA ports, on-board audio, on-board IEEE-1394, IDE, raid chip used, number of PCI-e 16x slots and physical position, USB2 and USB3 connections, number of NIC's, general layout, etc.
You have to decide what is relevant for you and what you can do without. The more features required, the fewer your options.
Find out whether high quality capacitors were used. Japanese and a larger number is better.
3. Warranty and price.
Keep in mind that with video cards often occupying two slots, the physical location of PCI-e slots becomes more important, especially with regards to the slot that will be unusable, and for cooling.
>video cards often occupying two slots
Yes... when I built my CS5 computer (see http://forums.adobe.com/thread/652694?tstart=0 for more) I only needed space for 2 cards... nVidia which I knew would take 2 spaces, and old Pinnacle Dv500 to use in WinXP via dual-boot to finish digitizing my old collection of VHS tapes to write to DVD
What I bought works for me... but that may not mean much to anyone else
As far as editing goes, is their a specific board you can recommend in the $200-$300 price range? I've been eyeing the Asus Sabertooth cause it seems to include all the necessary features, and most of the more expensive boards seem to be so cause they offer SLI or Crossfire option extensively...
If you are considering ASUS mobos, the information here may be of use: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/719538?tstart=0
which I compiled when I was searching for information to make a decision. You will want to check current prices to assist in the comparison - you can often get a processor-mobo combination deal from NewEgg. There's a good discussion about UPS units in that thread too - and other invaluable discussions in this hardware forum.
I decided on the ASUS Rampage III Formula mobo and I am happy with it; however, the SATA III ports (6 Gb/s) on the mobo use Marvell 91xx drivers and do not deliver the performance that I expected, particularly with a SATA III SSD connected as an OS/program drive in my system. I ended up using ACHI drivers on those ports and am running at SATA II speeds - not the best solution, but one I can live with until Marvell/ASUS release a BIOS update to correct the issue - if ever.
Airflow through my case (HAF-X) and across memory (24Gb DDR3-1600) and the single overclocked 470 graphics card is excellent, plenty of drive space and fan connectors on the mobo. I guess my point is to consider the mobo you select with respect to the case you select as well. Harm will always suggest to get the most monstrous case you can tolerate - and that was/still is good advice.
Harm's and John's other comments are right on target. Good luck!
One note on CS5 PC. It works very well for me except that according to the Asus technician I spoke to, the Asus P6 SE motherboard is not designed to work in mixed RAID and non-RAID configuration. I implemented Harm's 5 drive system with one drive out of RAID 5 with W7 & CS5. I cannot imagine why the bios allowed me to implement a mixed mode system if it was not supported but it did. It worked well saving me when one of the 4 drives in RAID 5 failed. The problem was that transferring video files to the system through USB & Firewire was always slow and at times impossibly slow. I solved the problem by taking all the drives out of RAID but now I have no immediate backup.
Last question: Of what importance are PCI-e 16x slots? They house the GPU, right? And if I only have need for one, are these slots that important?
Right now all signs point to the ASUS Sabertooth.
You might find it helpful to check out the PPBM5 results page... (Premier Pro Benchmark CS5). http://www.ppbm5.com/
They list all the components in the packages along with the performance results of the combos.
I have the SR2 motherboard (the fastest on the list), but with lower speed processors and graphics card, so my results were somewhat less stellar than that one.
My builder along with friends and colleagues said that one should get the motherboard they can expand upon... for example the SR2 presently has 24mb Ram onboard... expandable to 48... seemingly out of the question at this point, but in the future? Who knows?
One problem I had to deal with was that the coolermaster case I had was too small and I had to order a Lian Li PC-V2120 case and a bunch of extra fans.
It does have USB3 as well as USB2 on it and seems to have room for everything... the processors are offset from each other and run fairly cool.
Overall I'm happy, but I still have some playback issues to work out.
The Sabertooh has more PCI lanes. This would allow full speed operation of both the GPU and a RAID controller card. With newer P67 mobos, you don't have that option. Something will have to run at less than full speed.
IMO none. P67 is a new architecture designed for middle of the road systems, X58 is an older generation architecture, aimed at high performance systems.
For 3D and animation work you are better off with a high performance system than a middle of the road system. If you can wait till Q4/2011, the new X68 platform will be introduced, that is the successor of the X58 platform. That is worth waiting for. Double the PCI-e lanes, 50% more memory, triple channel instead of dual channel memory, double the cores, double the L3 cache or more, no worthless integrated graphics, in all a small step for chip producers but a giant step for users.
mm ok, i just been to the reseller and he said the x58 intel i7 950 is slower than the i7 2600k 67p and also if im going for the "old" generation it is gonna be a bit more expensive... i really dont know what to do...at this point
This reseller is great in creating confusion. He does not say what is faster. If he means the default clock speed, he is correct. If he means an editing rig for CS5, then he is obviously utterly wrong. See PPBM5 Benchmark
He also is wrong about prices. 2600K/P67 is marginally more expensive than 950/X58.
Even an overclocked 2600K @ 4.9 GHz is beaten by a lowly 920 @ 3.7 GHz. Despite excessive overclocking and more memory (16 versus 12).
I suggest you find a better reseller, who knows his business, not only his bonus targets.
well thanks for all your suggestion, at least i think im going for the old generation....but now the doubt comes between the Asus RampageIII Extreme
and the Sabertooh. Why you would prefer one instead of the other.
Ps. Im interested to build a machine that works good with after effects and cinema4d
Yes i know , but the problem is that i dont know how to value the feautures... Infact im asking for advices
I would spend 100 £ more if the rampage offers more benefits on working on after effects and c4d
Of course, if you don't know how to value extra PCI-e ports, firewire connections, etc. then it gets difficult. From my perspective, the 4 PCI-e 2x 16 lane connectors on the Rampage mean nothing, the two FW400 connectors are very important for me, the raid modi are utterly irrelevant, and the extra SATA 300 port not relevant.
and what do you think about this?
well it demonstrates that I7 2600k is faster than ii7950 in term of reenders
For these tests, agreed. For PR CS5, NO. Look at the link I gave you.
|i7-920 @ 3.7||158||114.5||12 GB|
|i7-950 @ 4.2||182||133.0||12 GB|
|i7-2600K @ 4.7||162||117.6||16 GB|
|i7-2600K @ 4.8||205||182.7||16 GB|
|i7-2600K @ 3.9||245||210.0||8 GB|
to show some examples that the 2600K in PRACTICE is definitely not faster. The limitation of AnandTech is that they only test CPU performance, not an integrated system and no practical situations, only non-repeatable (synthetic) benchmarks, without taking into the equation the impact of other components.
Sure, this CPU is fast, but the platform to install it on is severely handicapped. It is like buying a very fast Porsche and then let your eighty year old granny drive it to the shopping mall.
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