Hi all,
I haven’t posted here in a while : )
I’ve been speaking to Krishnan from the Adobe Director team. He is keen to have an open discussion about Director, it future and expectations of the community. This will be a live discussion where any question can be put on the table. Don’t know how detailed the answers will be. However, it will be an opportunity for anyone interested to speak directly to the key engineers and product management team for Adobe Director.
I have long petitioned for Adobe to engage with the community more and be more open with what they are doing. I encourage everyone to be part of this discussion to show that you believe this to be true as well.
Krishnan has just got back from GDC and will be speaking with people at his end to organise a time for this meeting. If anyone wants to suggest a good way of voting for the most convenient time, let me know. For now, watch this space and I will post updates.
Regards
Dean
Hi all,
Update on the meeting. I sent through 10 questions to Adobe for consideration. I have confirmation that all the questions will be answered. I'm very eager to hear what will be said as a lot of the questions were tough - covering the roadmap and asking how Adobe will be showing committment and direction to Director into the future.
To ensure all the key people in the Product Development team are available for the talk, we're going to push it back 2 weeks (original plan was next Wednesday 23 March). Tridib and Allen are involved with an e-learning thing over the next 2 weeks. The plan is that they will be part of this discussion.
I will post here closer to the date as a reminder.
regards
Dean
Hello Dean,
thank you for this Information!
If someone can not take part in this conference, may be You can resume here some important questions?
1. Is Director developing going on?
2. If yes - when will Director12 launched and which new features it will have?
3. If not - how long want Adobe distribute dir11 and shockwave player? Or maybe Adobe want to sell Dir to another company?
regards
Even
Hi Dean.
Wenesday 6 April.
I think that you'll send us a link for the chat? Will you?
Why you don't cross post this topic also in Director online?
Thanks a lot.
My question:
Does Abobe Know that with xtra and Activex controls Director is the best tool for Kiosk applications and perhaps the easy way to build stand alone software?
it seems that Director is only 3d.
The question are:
- own 3D engnine control (good) or just embedded Flash player "steered" from Director (bad).
- own advanced text object (good) or just embedded Flash text "steered" from Director (bad).
- support for multithreating and multicore
If Adobe is going to move Director in good way - fine but if they are just looking for a $1000 "Flash support" - let them go to hell !
Hi all,
Thanks for your interest in the discussion. I will confirm details as we approach the date. And will of course post the URL.
Posting to Director Online is a good idea. Will do that.
I'm hoping their will be time for questions from the community to Adobe. So, bring your questions. If they can't eb answered, we'll look at ways for that to happen in some other way.
Dean
Hi all,
Thanks for your interest in the discussion. I will confirm details as we approach the date. And will of course post the URL.
Posting to Director Online is a good idea. Will do that.
I'm hoping their will be time for questions from the community to Adobe. So, bring your questions. If they can't be answered, we'll see what can be done to to ensure they are addressed some other way.
Dean
I don't suppose it would be at all possible to get a simple yes or no answer from them at this point? I'm not too concerned if they continue with Director per se, but is there any inclination that they will support fully functional Lingo scripting and import of existing Director projects in a near future revision of Flash/AIR or other platform? Sure, it would be nice to know if we can hope for multi-touch support and iOS publishing capabilities, but the continued retraction of this dangling carrot of answers is a little nerve wracking. I've been sitting on a project for the better part of a year, worried that Director has been shelved and looking for any reasonable alternative.
That being said, thanks for organizing the meeting, Dean and Adobe. It's great to see the commitment to the community.
So, any insights at all before next week?
>So, any insights at all before next week?
It is very unlikely that Flash will ever be developed to import Director content. As to AIR, it does not seem to be a priority to include Shockwave there.
I have told the Adobe Director team that without being open with the community and sharing their vision of the product (ie. roadmap), people will not have confidence to develop with the software. This meeting is meant to try get Adobe to answer some questions they have been avoiding for a long time.
Dean
60 minute reminder.
http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/directorusers/
Room Passcode: 12345678912
regards
Dean
Unfortunately I`ve lost the meeting. Any comments, links, recordings are welcomed.
One link for Adobe – detailed Beta survey from Autodesk (3DS Max development)
http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/ken/3ds_max_2012_and_3ds_max_design_201 2_is_available_for_download
Read and learn!
Mihai
I thought Direct_L was closed now? Anyhow, is it possible you can post summary here or maybe on http://director-online.com perhaps? I was unable to capture the text of the chatroom during the live meeting. Had to log back in several times and lost the cache!
Thanks
Hi all,
Thought it would be easier to ahve a thread just for teh meeting summary and evaluation. It is at:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/838351
regards
Dean
>Do we have any clue as to when Director 12 will be released? Days or months??
Adobe don't specify exactly when release dates will be for any product. In the meeting, there was an indication that the prerelease for testing the new 3D and other features would start soon (within a few weeks). In addition, this release could be a patch rather than a full point update.That would suggest the prerelease cycle could be relatively short. So, a speculative guess would be middle to later half of this year.
Dean
>> this release could be a patch rather than a full point update.
WOW ! - AMAZING :-)
Dean - seriously speaking - can we know at least what bugs thispatch is going to fix?
This is not that stupid question actually as Adobe/Macromedia used to develop Director through adding new (mostly pointless) features but carefully preserving old nasty bugs untouched.
I do not want to say Director is completely useless at the moment, but critical bugs like LDM flaws render Director "sloution of last choise" at the moment. Simply speaking - having faulty LDMs there is no convinient way to make a library of handy "prefabs" what could be recycled in various projects (like Flash components). Simply speaking - bahaviors are not enough - the real time saver are functional prefabs with standarized interfaces. Unless LDM flaws are not fixed, I do not see real interest to do yet another Director project as each time I have to build all functional elements again and again what is time consuming and I am unable to get paid for this any more.
Then - buggy text objects with buggy fonts embedding are disaster. I am really not happy with Adobe's approach "please use Flash text" as this breaks internal harmony in the project. Why the hell, having spending years on Director refactoring, Adobe engineers cannot provide working, solid text feature to Director?
Arghh - I just recall one of my most advanced projects, what was a specialized database (Valentina) driven engineering application faciliating design of cable layout in buildings I completed a few years ago. I spent weeks on interface design full of custom widgets (tabbed pannels, selectable drop lists, sketching tool, helper-calculators, layout preview, etc.) and I sold this for good money what I am unable to get today any more! - Simply speaking because I am unable to convince the customer "such a basic functionalities have to be recreated from scratch in Director". The customer feedback is simple - use another tool then! And please notice - since it's possible to run Windows on Apple - Director's cross-platform functonality is not such a big advantage any more...
>Dean - seriously speaking - can we know at least what bugs thispatch is going to fix?
>This is not that stupid question actually as Adobe/Macromedia used to develop Director through adding new (mostly pointless) features but carefully
>preserving old nasty bugs untouched.
I can't say which bugs will be fixed but have been told that Adobe do want to minimise the bugs as much as possible.
If you would like to be part of the prerelease - contact Krishnan - krishna at adobe.com
Any nasty bugs can be communicated directly to Krishnan or through the pre-release.
regards
Dean
Sorry Dean,
I am not interested in supporting Adobe with Director development now. I have no time to allocate on that.
On the other hand - pretty complete list of Director's bugs and quirks was once upon a time available on one of a the most renown websites covering Director development. But thanks to Adobe's customer-policy - practically all Director-related web resources are already down or dying. So, if Adobe is now telling us "oh please dear customers provide us the list of Director bugs, we want to improve", my answer is rather plain vulgar. They should rather collect the list while it was available. And thanks to dr Allen Partridge arrogance even Martin Schaefer was deffered when he wanted to supply Adobe team with valuable customer feedback. Please notice recently he finally decided to phase-out Directorforum.
So, please - I treat Adobe "Director prelease program" or whatever as yet another ridicule. If they really were interested in customer feedback, they should become much less snotty first. For the time being the only message I have to Adobe Director team is here:
No specific "positive outcomes" in my humble opinion - you may browse full thread here:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/838351
Rgs,
Ziggi
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