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Audition CS 5.5 and the future of Audition

Apr 14, 2011 12:18 PM

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    Apr 26, 2011 12:16 PM   in reply to SteveG(AudioMasters)

    I didn't count everyone of them personally yet, but according to my experience (working as audio engineer and developer in voice communication industry) - they are thousands. You can visit any company that deal with voice communication, audio sw/hw validation, etc. and you can see most of the engineers using Audition or its predecessors.

     
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    Apr 26, 2011 1:01 PM   in reply to _durin_

    Durin,

     

    I agree that adding this feature may help Adobe to better understand its customers and their needs.

     

    You can consider my above message about "silent army of users" as written report.

     

    The users I'm talking about are using Audition in audio development and audio validation process.If it can help, here is a brief list of features that are used by them on a daily basis (including myself, each and every day): spectrogram view, spectral analysis, statistics, scientific filters (high pass, band pass, low pass with configureable filter type, cutoffs and order), tones generation (especially with different start/end points, for example to generate sweep tones), noise generation (BTW, could be extended, I think), sample rate/bit resolution/channels conversion, mixing, subtraction, sample-precise editing, batch processing (can be definitely improved by adding scripting). All these functions make Audition absolutely not replaceble by any other tool. MatLAB and Audition - is the ultimate tool chain.

     

    If you say that scientific filters and tone generation are not available in 5.5 - it means that I personally will not be able to use it. The same with many of those who I'm telling you about.

     

    I hope you got my point, and I hope it will help you to make your product only better.

     

    Alex.

     
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    Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM   in reply to _durin_

    _durin_ wrote:


    And of course, it won't work on systems that are detached from the internet. 

     

    Which is, of course, most of the serious DAW users.

     

    I'm still not convinced about some of these numbers of users in areas that aren't generally considered to be major markets. Since Adobe control all the sales of Audition directly, they must surely have some sort of an idea as to where they've been sold...

     

    If we assume for a moment that the proportions of users who frequent forums (and we are talking long-term here) represent anything even vaguely like the usage spread, then I'd say that whilst game developers and people who work in the comms industry certainly show up, they certainly weren't anything like a major group. From what we see, it's radio users, podcasters and individual users doing restoration work and sometimes multitrack audio recording who form the backbone of users. One hidden group that we do know about (and they keep quiet about this deliberately, because it's embarassing to them for some strange reason) are the people using Audition for Mastering purposes - it gets used quite a lot for that, one way or another.

     
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    Apr 26, 2011 7:53 PM   in reply to SteveG(AudioMasters)

    Ha! That's because part of the mystique of being a mastering engineer is in having a ton of expensive, specialized gear that the hoi polloi either don't know about or can't afford, and Audition doesn't fall into that category - it's too affordable. 

     
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    Apr 26, 2011 8:58 PM   in reply to _durin_

    Hi Durin,

     

    My guess, from recent news is that If you do not collect the lattitude and longitude of the pc or, if you do, refrain from storing it in an unencrypted file, you might not get complaints.  JK.

     

    Steve

     
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    Apr 27, 2011 1:41 AM   in reply to therealdobro

    therealdobro wrote:

     

    Ha! That's because part of the mystique of being a mastering engineer is in having a ton of expensive, specialized gear that the hoi polloi either don't know about or can't afford, and Audition doesn't fall into that category - it's too affordable. 

     

    That's certainly one reason. The other one they mutter about is that it doesn't seem right to use an app for mastering that had its origins in shareware. The one thing that they will admit though is that if you are doing sample rate conversions, Audition is as good as it gets. Especially if you are doing a lot of them, as in sample library creation, because you can batch them. Or at least you could - I haven't tried this on the new version. But that does remind me of something else that hasn't been mentioned up to now - there's a new dither option now as well. More details later, unless Durin gets there first...

     
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    Apr 29, 2011 7:21 PM   in reply to _durin_

    This was not a previous feature, but I would love to see a way to use one track as the source for the launching of effects on another track. More to the point, being able to do things like gated reverbs (for killer drums), or distortion effects on a guitar triggered by a snare... Just a thought.

    Similar (but entirely different ) I would like to see the ability to add expressions like in Aftere Effects. This way, if the above feature was not made available I could write an expression to do it... If amplitude == such and such level raise input level to such and such for such and such amount of time.

     
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    Apr 29, 2011 8:12 PM   in reply to MYX

    I think some VST effects can do that already.  I'm pretty sure that Drumagog can gate or duck other tracks when setup right on both tracks but it would be a nice built in feature for audition...

     
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    Apr 29, 2011 8:30 PM   in reply to RonNovy

    I've been interested in ducking for a while, but too slow to pick it up.  Good thing, if Audition can't do it anyway.

     
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    Apr 30, 2011 8:41 PM   in reply to _durin_

    Without midi and rewire, Audition loses much of its appeal. I don't understand what problems you had with it in 3 because I use 3 all the time with Reason rewired in to the multitracker and midi VSTis sequenced into the mix. Sometimes it was a little buggy and would crash and lose all its VSTs but they came back after a reboot. I was really looking forward to the new Audition and now the 30 day trial won't even be on my machine 24 hours because I can't use it without midi or rewire.Having help and the manual only available online is useless, too. My production machine isn't networked and is a pure music composition DAW.

     

    Very disappointing. Audition 3 was a very serviceable, easy to use multitasking software that I did my recording, mixing and mastering in. I'll keep using 3 until something better comes along.

     
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    Apr 30, 2011 9:13 PM   in reply to wavecapsule

    Complaining about the same thing in 5 threads does make it clear that you're not satisfied, wavecapsule.  And Durin has already made it clear that staying with AA3 will be what some are going to prefer, but they're all ears to hear your reasons why.

     
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    May 2, 2011 4:47 PM   in reply to _durin_

    Hello Durin,

     

    Thank you for your involvement with the forum.

     

    I have been using Audition since CE2K.

     

    I can see from the various comments that the move to CS5.5 fits people less or more according to their perspective.

    I pre-ordered the new version immediately, but as yet haven't actually received it, so my comments are based on what has been presented here.

     

    I use 2X other software editors, Pyramix, and Protools.

    Primarily for music production.

    So, in spite of the inconvenience, it is possible for me to shift between these and Audition 3, if there any required missing features in CS5.5.

    Like some of the others here, I am slowly moving towards incorporating Video editing and production into my studio.

     

    So for me, the positive aspects of this change are ....

     

    OMF Import and Export.

    Integration with Premiere.

    Overall RMS level average per track.

     

    What I miss ,..

    Generate Silence.

    I use this as a quick and simple method to clean and create correct spacing between CD Tracks.

    Also, if Premiere Elements integrated with Audition, it would be a good way to test the waters before extending to the cost of Premiere Pro.

    Although I don't use midi a lot, I enjoyed the implementation of it in Audition, and was looking forward to the development of any deficiencies.

     

    All the best,

    Onward and upwards.

     

     

    Bye for now,

    aomahana.

     
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    May 2, 2011 5:39 PM   in reply to aomahana

    aomahana wrote:


    What I miss ,..

    Generate Silence.

     

    Edit > Insert Silence... will achieve you the same results.   Please check it out when you get your hands on the release.

     

    aomahana wrote:

     

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    I use 2X other software editors, Pyramix, and Protools.


    ...

     

    So for me, the positive aspects of this change are ....

     

    OMF Import and Export.


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    Please let us know how the OMF exchange works with Pyramix.   We've done intensive in-house testing on sending OMFs to/from Pro Tools, but not as much with Pyramix.  I spoke to one of the engineers at Merging while at AES this past fall about OMF interchange with Pyramix, so feel free to ask your support representative at Merging to also do some in-house testing with interchange with Audition.

     
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    May 5, 2011 3:53 PM   in reply to David Polk

    It was with great expectations that my studio was looking forward to up-grading to Audition CS 5.5.  But I have the same issue as my Chicago colleague on the not retaining clip grouping (an editing issues).  You are Adobe, you just about invented the concept of grouping in the graphic world!  I can't tell you how many times that I have used the clip grouping feature to "lock down" some very complex edits.  But,  an even bigger issue is having no control surface support (production/work flow) in AA CS 5.5.  I work in a studio where the DAW is controlled by an   Alpha Track transport  from the booth and all edits and adjustments are from a control room.  This allows talent to start/stop recording their own tracks and allows the engineer to focus on any adjustments.  This process has had a very positive impact on our production work flow and has saved us time and money. Because of our dependence on this transport control strategy we cannot up-grade to 5.5 at this time.  As an aside, I spoke to Frontier Designs, the OEM of Alpha Track, and they had had no contact with Adobe and were finding out about CS 5.5 along with the rest of us.  Don't you guys cooperate with the hardware community as part of your beta program?  Sorry for a bit of a rant on this, but I'm just disappointed that my studio can't have access to all of the great features that you described in CS 5.5 because of AA 3.0 features that were not included in your build for CS 5.5.  I continue to be a loyal Adobe supporter but no longer a happy one.

     

    Jim L

    Chicago

     
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    May 5, 2011 4:09 PM   in reply to Quash45

    Those are exactly my two issues.  No clip grouping = more mistakes and a great deal more tedium; no control surface support = impossible to use AA in my studio setting.  I am my own engineer, and I cannot perform from behind my desk.  Having the Tranzport at my fingertips makes it all possible.

     

    Durin, need any more votes? 

     
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    May 5, 2011 4:39 PM   in reply to _durin_

    RED ROVER - yes, I still have one!!!  And now I know what to do with it. 

     

    Thanks, again, Durin - sorry if this all seems very glass-half-full sometimes.  I guess the good side is that so many of us feel passionate enough about AA to actually be up in arms over the details.  A lesser product would be greeted with yawns or deafening silence.

     
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    May 5, 2011 7:59 PM   in reply to _durin_

    Durin,

     

    Thanks for taking my flack on these 2 important issues (clip grouping and control surfaces).  Is there any way that I could get involved in a CS 6.0 beta?  Finally, (this is a bit self-serving as I am a Frontier customer) who should hardware vendor like Frontier speak (contact) to for plug in specifications for CS 6.0?  I'm sure that other forum participants have their favorate control surface vendor and probably have the same question and want to make sure that their vendors are in the 6.0 beta loop.

     

    As soon as my 2 items are contained in CS 6.0 I will be a happy camper and first in line for the new AA.

     

    Regards,

     

    Jim  L'Allier

     
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    May 6, 2011 1:36 AM   in reply to _durin_

    _durin_ wrote:


    Thanks again for the frank and straightforward feedback.  While the occasional insults are easy to dismiss in a relatively anonymous online forum, it's awesome that there's such passion for what we've been doing and what's to come.  And if I need a little pick-me-up, I can just head over to Twitter where the comments have been very positive.

     

    Having a vocal (but sometimes quite rude) user base forces good companies to evolve representatives that are pretty much the best of their breed. Rather than pasting boilerplate corporatese "we value your input"-type of answers, they're more inclined to post substantive, respectful posts that tell some hard truths. I've seen this done successfully in the World of Warcraft forums, and it can create an unprecedented level of brand loyalty when done right.

     

    In my book, Adobe is now firmly in this column, mostly thanks to the levelheadedness of the Audition team. Keep up the good work, guys.

     

    Twitter version: @Adobe omg u guys total pros xxoo #winning #bff #auditionrox

     
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    May 14, 2011 8:41 AM   in reply to TeetowSBZ

    Agreed. I've definitely added some frustration expressing posts, especially after the difficulty I faced in getting my money back for this upgrade after experiencing it's utter redundancy in my workflow. But Durin seems to make a great effort to at least acknowledge the specific concerns the community brings up - which is breathe of fresh air compared to the phone reps.

     

    So, for the record, here's a quick list of the MUST-HAVES for Audition to continue to be the DAW I use as a recording studio engineer and music creator:

    1. Group Clips
    2. Control Surfaces
    3. Metronome
    4. Looping with time stretch / key change
    5. Midi VSTi support (though I could probably at least get by without this one)

     

    Aside from Midi VSTi support, that list of features is crucial for me to be able to utilize the software. Of course, greater file support would make the transition more bearable too. In general, I made use of many of the features of 3.0, and I believe restoring those features first and foremost should be top priority. Despite how much I've loved the feature developments of past releases, any new features at this point would merely be more things I'd love to have, while the old features are something my actual livelihood currently depends on.

     

    I look forward to the opportunity to make use of what would otherwise be exceptionally great improvements to this program. Thanks for hearing my input.

     
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    May 22, 2011 7:31 AM   in reply to _durin_

    I am a mastering engineer in Austin, TX and have been extensively using Audition since it was Cool Edit Pro. I have purchase every upgrade since.

     

    Some of the effects that I would like to see moved from Audition 3.0 to CS 6, would be the following (I use them extensively in the Edit window)

  • Also, I would love to retain use of the DX effects that I own.

    ·         Amplify/Fade (process) – used for gradually changing levels in the middle of a song

    ·         Envelope (process) – for changing levels, fades, etc. in mid song.

    ·         FIR Filter, include the Time-variable settings – this is great to remove buzz in a fadeout.  You can transition from a full-pass to low-pass during the fade. It can be used for many surgical fixes in mastering. In once case, I used it to change the timber of a piano where it started solo requireing a much fuler EQ, then as other instruments came into the song, the piano required less depth. Time-variable FIR made this easy to accomplish.

    ·         Stereo Expander

    ·         Stretch, constant stretch and with gliding stretch – to gradually change tempo of a song (or part of a song) over time.

    ·         Pitch Shifter and Pitch Correction (process)

    One thing I'd like fixed is the use of IK Multimedia VST mastering effects. None of them work with Audition, but they work very well with other editing applications. It may be that IK's effect don't follow the VST letter of the law, but if other editing applications can deal with them, I'd love Audition to as well.

    I would like Audition to add to its metering, VU capabilities conforming to Bob Katz K-System metering. I own a VST plugin from Roger Nichols Digital that does this, but it would be better as part of the Audition application.

 
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    May 23, 2011 10:20 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Hi Durin,

     

    Thanks. I'll check those location; I don't know how I missed them. And thank you for such a wonderful mastering suite.

     

    Mike

     
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    May 23, 2011 10:59 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Thanks for the continuous feedbacks from me too, Durin. It really means much to see that Adobe actually listen to their customer base.

     

    I am in the radio production business and AA is number one "weapon of choice" for me and so many people from the same branch. All those things members mentioned as a wish list in this thread will hopefully implemented in next release.

     

    Cheers!

    Peter

     
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    May 23, 2011 12:58 PM   in reply to _durin_

    Hi Durin,

     

    One issue that I found in CS 5.5 is that for VST effects, I can't save presets. Well, I can save them, but when re-opened, I can't recall them.

     

    Thanks,

    Mike

     
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    May 24, 2011 8:21 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Hi Durin,

     

    The Volume Envelope and Stretch and Pitch processes are great. I hadn't found them previously because I didn't expet the menu-bar Effects menu to be different from the rack effect menu. No problem...thanks for pointing it out.

     

    Regarding the IK Multimedia VST mastering effects: I downloaded the updated versions, but am still having the same issue. I can load them and open them, but when I try to turn one of their knobs, it stutters and goes back to its original position. Then, when I try to close the effect, Audition freezes and I have to kill it with the task manager.

     

    Thanks,

    Mike

     
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    May 24, 2011 9:51 AM   in reply to Alex Radzishevsky

    Alex Radzishevsky wrote:

     

    All these functions make Audition absolutely not replaceble by any other tool. MatLAB and Audition - is the ultimate tool chain.

     

    Perhaps the workflow for these users should be split out into another thread.   As a fellow MATLAB user, I'm curious to know how other people are using MATLAB and Audition together.   You probably didn't notice it, but Audition can now open MAT4 and MAT5 (*.mat) files directly.   Although you need to have the variables named a certain way.

     

    So how about we start a new thread for

    Audition in audio development and audio validation process.

    such that your colleagues in this area can also chime in where it isn't in a thread that is already too long to read.

     
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    May 24, 2011 11:03 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Hi Durin,

     

    I just tried the IK Multimedia TRacks 3 Vintage Compressor 670, version 3.1.2.

     

    I loaded a song, selected the VST preset via the Effects Rack.

     

    It opens, but when I try to move any of the effects' knobs, they move but spring back to their original position.

    This time I was able to close the effect, but when I tried to remove it from the Effects Rack, Audition froze for 2 minutes before I killed it with the Windows task manager. I am using Windows XP professional.

     

    Regarding presets: They work great with Audition native effects. But, I am having trouble with 3rd Party VST effects. I can save presets and see them when I reload the effect. But, when I try selecting a preset, it does nothing. Again, the presets are there when I re-launch Audition, but when selected, they do not change the parameters of the VST effect.

     

    Thanks again,

    Mike

     
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    May 25, 2011 8:53 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Does Audition open "Adobe Sound Documents" from soundbooth? How do I burn a CD with tracks now?

     
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    May 25, 2011 12:17 PM   in reply to Avidalone

    Hi, Avid.  Unfortunately Audition CS5.5 doesn't open Soundbooth documents, but in all fairness, no version of Audition ever has.  These programs have always worked nicely together installed side-by-side, so keep your newest version of Soundbooth on your system to retain that ability.  (I've even gone so far as to export tracks one at a time to separate waves for further editing and mixing in Audition, though Soundbooth does what it does well enough that normally I wouldn't try that.)

     

    There are many discussions here for what's been set aside for the time being to get Audition CS5.5 released for both Mac and PC.  If you're interested in the whats and the whys, please stroll through some of the recent large threads here.

     

    CD burning is not yet there, obviously.  Until a future update/upgrade, you'll need to save your audio to wave files and use other software, whether that be an earlier version of Audition, Nero, Roxio, CDRWIN, or whatever, to burn it to a disc.

     
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    May 29, 2011 8:35 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Hi, I'm delighted that Audition has finally got an overhaul at last, and I agree that it starts super-fast which is nice. I also love the fact that fx are applied in a dynamic rack like Soundbooth which is so much more sensible! However, can I ask about a couple of features that I liked in Soundbooth that aren't in 5.5?


    Firstly, creating mp3s from wav files, in Soundbooth there were 2 features I really liked. One was that I could play a preview from the save setting dialogue box which was great to judge quality verses size. The second was an estimate of the actual file size which again is quite important for some applications. Could they come back in for CS6?

     

    Secondly, I really liked the snap-shot feature in Soundbooth and the asnd file type. I know it was large and heavy, but it was a great way of getting back to things and very helpful if for some reason or other you cleared out your history! Any chance we can have that back or do too many people hate it?


    Thanks

    Andrew

     
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    Jun 1, 2011 10:37 AM   in reply to _durin_

    Hello durin,

     

    I'm missing the feature to edit single samples by right-clicking on them in the waveform in CS5.5.

     

    Do I need to change some magic option or was this feature removed?

     

    I'd also like to see the tone/noise generators coming back with an update.

     
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    Jun 1, 2011 11:03 AM   in reply to _durin_

    As per your request:

     

    Audition CS 5.5 will not have every feature available in  Audition 3, and if you find that it does not suit your particular needs,  please let us know exactly what is missing that prevents you from  upgrading and using it so that we can do our best to make certain these  areas are addressed and improved for CS 6.

     

    We make radio and TV shows for global distribution.

     

    I am requesting that you bring back the Play Preroll and Postroll option under the right-click menu of the playback button.  Now my editor has to cut the selection out, play it back, find out it's wrong, hit undo, cut again, play it back, etc.  The Play Preroll and Postroll option from Audition 3 would allow her to fine tune the selection to be cut before it is cut.  The other option in 5.5 is very crude, and that is to try to hit the Move CTI to Next button or use the keyboard shortcut at precisely the right moment when the CTI is about to start playing the selection.  This is imprecise and not worthy of professional audio editing software.  I also contend that features like this relationg to being able to cut out pieces of audio for cleanup and fix audio should be a basic function of this software and should take priority over things such as special effects, especially when the software is being marketed in Production Premium as a tool for video use as well.

     

    I also don't understand why the CS5.5 help documentation for Adobe Audition still states that this option is present by right-clicking the playback button.  I suppose that either the Help manual for Audition 5.5 is the same as Audition 3 or that this is one section that should have been cut from the manual but wasn't.

     

    Thank you for listening.

     

    Kendal Rasnake

     
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    Jun 1, 2011 11:51 AM   in reply to Kendal Rasnake

    Perhaps you might like to add a +1 to this thread in the Requested Features forum?

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/859421?tstart=0

     
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