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Switched or Conditional Page Size

Jun 1, 2011 2:29 PM

Some recent work has involved manuals for export products, and the issue of page size could be on the horizon. We presently render to US letter size (USL), but A4 might become needed ...

 

... ideally from a common shared set of book files ...

 

Content scaling is not an option, as some graphics are 600 dpi bitmap. optimized for our 600 dpi pub engine, and they develop visible artifacts if
rescaled.

 

The USL page layout contemplated this possibility way back when, so we have a column layout solution that allows keeping the same column and gutter sizes, yet leaves ample margins for printing and hole punching on USL or A4.

 

The content already re-flows onto the taller A4 page with no particular difficulty. And it does reflow, because condition codes switch some content on and off depending on target English-speaking market. Update Book is required in the workflow already.

 

The issue is how to quickly switch between USL and A4 page layouts.


FM 7.1 does not have conditional page layouts, and it's not clear if later versions (we do have FM9) have anything comparable.

 

Two workarounds that come to mind are:

  • Create (one time) two separate sets (USL and A4) of empty book component files, used only as the source for Master Pages.
    Workflow:
    Open each book component
    Import MPs (Master Pages)
    Set Condition Codes
    AMP (Apply Master Pages)
    Update Book
    Print
    Rinse and repeat for other page size
  • Create (one time) a single separate set of empty A4 book files, used only for printing. These call in the entire Flow A of the USL files content as Text insets imported by reference.
    Workflow:
    Open A4 clones
    AMP
    Update
    Print

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Any other ideas?

 
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    Jun 2, 2011 5:40 AM   in reply to Error7103

    I would avoid the text inset (second workflow you mention) workflow, because you will have problems with cross-references.

     

    In the first workflow, you can save some steps by naming the master pages in each version (letter, A4) the SAME. It is even better if you use the default names Left and Right. When you import the master pages from the OTHER template, the change is immediate; no need to reapply master pages, because the imported ones write over the existing ones with the same names.

     

    In addition, whenever importing any formats and EDDs, you can select ALL files in the book file (no need to open them) and import the master pages from the other template. No need to open each one separately. Again, no need to reapply master pages. When you open any of the files, it will have the correct master pages automatically.

     

    Of course, you have to update the book, because changes in pagination.

     
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    Jun 2, 2011 6:33 AM   in reply to Reviewer1066

    The way our company gets around this is to use a special paper size with the smaller width of A4 and the smaller height of US letter. We use a 210 x 279 mm page size. Since our documents are usually distributed/downloaded as pdf files and available worldwide, a user can print locally at 100% using his local paper (A4 or letter) and no scaling occurs, provided he has set his Acrobat/Reader properly. Acrobat just centers the content on the page and the extra margin is either top/bottom or side/side. There is a paper size called PA4 which is close to this (210 x 280 mm) that Wikipedia lists as a transitional size.

     

    For high-end printing we use this size as well and the service bureau just cuts the paper to size (I think they would typically do this anyway because of running 4-ups, 8-ups, etc.). Since we need to provide a pdf file for printing (haven't found a service bureau yet that wants FM files), this could be sized to whatever size you want, provided you have the bleeds extending far enough off the page.

     
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    Jun 2, 2011 10:27 AM   in reply to Error7103
    Well, I do, because some book component files (TOC, IX) have different layouts for the same MP name. I might be able to fix that with some Master Page Mapping Table creativity, but I had no luck with that years ago when developing the layouts (I knew less then, but may not know enough more now).

    You could have separate book files, each with its own special files (TOC, IX). Typically, such files don't have content other than the generated content. So, multiple versions should not be difficult to manage. Of course, both book files link to the same set of primary files.

     
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    Jan 16, 2013 1:59 PM   in reply to Error7103

    @Error7103,

     

    Looks like it's been about 18 months. What approach did you take for managing to USL and A4?

     

    I'm facing the same issue now.

     

    Best regards,

     
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    Jan 18, 2013 11:25 AM   in reply to Error7103

    @Error7103,

     

    Interesting!  Thanks for the update.

     
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    Jan 23, 2013 2:17 PM   in reply to BEPubs

    @BEPubs,

     

    When you produce the PDF, do you select separate sets of joboptions, one for A4 and the other for USL?


    Best regards,

     
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