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Avid DNxHD into Premiere Pro CS5.5?

Aug 8, 2011 10:23 PM

Howdy. New to Premiere Pro and trying the demo. Unfortunately I'm having a issues right off the bat.

 

I'm trying to import Avid DNxHD 36 media from Media Composer 5.5. But I get some issue saying that the codec isn't supported. Am I wrong that DNxHD is supposed to be native in Premiere Pro CS5+?

 

Thanks!

 
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    Aug 9, 2011 4:29 AM   in reply to Justin Barham
    Am I wrong that DNxHD is supposed to be native in Premiere Pro CS5+?

     

    Correct; DNxHD is not native--meaning that Premiere Pro does not ship with encoders or decoders for it. Since DNxHD uses QuickTime for containering, however, it's a simple (and free) add-on: Avid QuickTime Codecs LE 2.3.4

     

    Once installed, any Avid-encoded QuickTimes will import into PPro without issue, and you can even encode back to an Avid codec (DNxHD and many others) when you select QuickTime as your export Format. Pick the codec you like from the Video tab, and you can configure the encoder as necessary.

     
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    Aug 9, 2011 6:25 AM   in reply to Colin Brougham

    .......but, does Avid DNxHD then bog down PPro because it might trigger a 32 bit operation because of Quick Time?? If not, can anyone explain?

     

                  JFPhoton

     
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    Aug 9, 2011 7:00 AM   in reply to JFPhoton

    Sure, you're using the 32-bit QuickTime bridge when using some QuickTime files--DNxHD files included--but I wouldn't get all worked up about it. Despite all the boogity-boogity that goes on around here regarding QuickTime, DNxHD and other QuickTime codecs (ProRes, for example) work just fine in Premiere Pro, on both Windows and Mac.

     
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    Aug 9, 2011 10:09 AM   in reply to Justin Barham

    So PP uses the QT DNxHD codec even when the files are wrapped in MXF?

     

    Oh--I see. In that case, no. Premiere Pro supports some Avid OMF and MXF files, but I don't believe that DNxHD MXFs are included in that. You'd have to export (rewrap, really) the files from MC to MOVs, which PPro would then import.

     

    That said, I might be able to help you with another rewrapping workflow. Would it be possible to upload a teeny-tiny sample MXF somewhere for testing purposes?

     
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    Aug 28, 2011 6:18 PM   in reply to Justin Barham

    Hi Justin,

     

    I don't think you're wrong in assuming this should work--all signs point to "yes" based on the information you've found. There really don't seem to be any really conclusive, "this is how you do it" types of resources, though. Maybe I'll download a demo of MC and see if I can make some files to tinker around with

     

    In the meantime, if you're feeling savvy, you might want to check out ffmbc - FFMedia Broadcast. FFmbc is basically a derivative of FFmpeg that has some considerations for professional/broadcast media. One of those functions, as noted on the website, is the ability to "Create AVID DNxHD files in .mov." Now, that's not totally what you're after, but you might be able to losslessly rewrap these MXFs into MOV containers which WILL import into Premiere Pro, for certain. Granted, that is not the exact solution you're after, but if you're in a situation where you have to get something done, it may be able to get you moving again.

     

    If you should happen to discover anything more conclusive about this supposed functionality, do post back--others will likely find the information useful.

     

    Good luck!

     
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    Aug 28, 2011 6:39 PM   in reply to Justin Barham

    I wouldn't be surprised if REDCineX was using FFmpeg under the hood for that! Definitely use FFmbc for such things, however--it's got more functionality built-in for professional media. It's MXF support is waaay better than FFmpeg's.

     

    BTW: The Premiere Pro docs are rather tight-lipped and inconclusive about the whole matter...

     

    From File formats supported for import:

    MXF (Media eXchange Format; P2 Movie: Panasonic Op-Atom variant of MXF, with video in DV, DVCPRO, DVCPRO 50, DVCPRO HD, AVC-Intra; XDCAM HD Movie, Sony XDCAM HD 50 (4:2:2), Avid MXF Movie), and native Canon XF (new in Premiere Pro CS5.5)


    From Importing assets from tapeless formats:

    Avid capture format

    Avid editing systems capture footage to MXF files, generally into a folder called Avid Media files, with audio captured into discreet files separate from the video files. When you import Avid video files, Premiere Pro automatically imports their associated audio files. However, it is simpler to import Avid project files, in Advanced Authoring Format (AAF), than to identify and import individual Avid MXF video files.

    Hmm... yeah. A veritable cornucopia of information.

     
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    Aug 28, 2011 6:45 PM   in reply to Colin Brougham

    Here's a PDF document that gives the best account of how to work between Avid Media Composer and Premiere Pro.

     

    We just posted this, and I'm in the process of writing up a blog post that links to this and some related useful resources.

     
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    Aug 28, 2011 6:52 PM   in reply to Todd_Kopriva

    Ruh roh:

    DNxHD
    Unfortunately, at this time, DNxHD via MXF is an unsupported codec in Adobe Premiere Pro.

     

    Rewrapping, it is.

     
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    Aug 30, 2011 5:43 AM   in reply to Justin Barham

    I agree that adobe really should support these files. We just purchased a Cinedeck recorder system that captures 1080i SDI video in MXF files. They are the same DNxHD formatted MXF and premiere can't load them. Now we wasted thousands of dollars on a device based on adobe's claim of MXF file support. We obviously assumed it was all encompassing, but it is not. It would not think it would be too difficult for adobe to add this into premiere.

     
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    Aug 30, 2011 9:53 AM   in reply to Justin Barham
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    JBBarham wrote:

     

    The Cinedeck should be able to do ProRes as well.

     

    It does but that is not what we want, we subscribe to the apple/quicktime is evil theory. We want to avoid them.  We use Windows 7 Machines with 8 cores and 64bit OS, quicktime cripples our systems.

     

    It can't be that hard to implement these files into premiere.

     
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    Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM   in reply to Justin Barham

    Now that BlackMagic has added DNxHD MXF comperssion to the HyperDeck Shuttle 2, this codec is going to be a useful aquisition format. That means all NLEs will benefit from being able to use it.

     
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    Jan 24, 2012 4:06 AM   in reply to r39525

    r39525 wrote:

     

    Now that BlackMagic has added DNxHD MXF comperssion to the HyperDeck Shuttle 2, this codec is going to be a useful aquisition format. That means all NLEs will benefit from being able to use it.

    Yup balls in your court Adobe - our facility is looking to purchase a number of these units and has been more than a little interested in MC6...really want to stick with CS6 but if the workflow isnt there...

     
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    Jan 29, 2012 11:00 AM   in reply to pc2099
     
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    Feb 12, 2012 1:35 PM   in reply to pc2099

    Just as an update, a rewrap with ffmbc to MOV does not work. The Hyperdeck DNxHD MXF files are non-standard and other than the Calibrated{Q} MXF Importer (I tried the demo with my Shuttle 2 MXF video files and it works) there isn't any cost-effective way of getting them into PPro CS 5.5. Of course, if you have Avid MC installed, that would work also, but most people who use Premiere probably don't have both NLEs.

     

    There is hope on the horizon. The author of ffmbc is entertaining donations to update his software so the MXFs will convert to MOVs and then will open in PPro.  Blackmagic Design staff have posted in their official forum (Creative Cow) that BMD is working on adding another codec to the Hyperdeck series via a firmware upgrade. I'd guess that from the nuances in the post, that they are talking about either ProRes or Cineform.

     
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    Feb 17, 2012 3:54 PM   in reply to r39525

    Blackmagic Design just relased version 2.5 (beta 1) for the Hyperdeck Studio and Shuttle 2, which adds an option for DNxHD in a MOV wrapper. I just checked it out and PPro CS 5.5 reads the files from my Shuttle 2 fine.

     
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    Feb 17, 2012 5:14 PM   in reply to jabloomf1230

    Which bit rates of DNxHD does it record in? Or maybe I mean Mbps?

     
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    Feb 17, 2012 7:09 PM   in reply to rpestes

    Only 220 Mb/s at 1080, but it might be slightly lower in PAL land (probably 185 Mb/s).

     
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    Feb 21, 2012 2:55 AM   in reply to jabloomf1230

    I've also downloaded the 2.5 Beta for Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 and set it to record to record in MOV function. However when I try to import that file I get an error stating that the file is not supported. Is there something I'm missing here?

     

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    Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM   in reply to icy100

    I would guess that you haven't installed the free DNxHD QuickTime codec. You can get the most recent version (2.3.7) at:

     

    http://avid.custkb.com/avid/app/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=423319

     

    I also noticed that you are using PPro 5.03, which gets confused by the way the 16 audio tracks are interleaved in the MOV file. You'll either have to upgrade to CS 5.5 or you'll have to use some freeware like ffmbc to demux the video and audio.

     
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    Feb 21, 2012 1:19 PM   in reply to jabloomf1230

    Thanks for the info. I did download version 2.3.7 but I still get the error message "unsupported format". Do I have to upgrade to 5.5 for this codec to work?

     
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    Feb 21, 2012 1:53 PM   in reply to icy100

    icy100 wrote:

     

    Thanks for the info. I did download version 2.3.7 but I still get the error message "unsupported format". Do I have to upgrade to 5.5 for this codec to work?

    Yes. PPro 5.0x is getting hung up on the format of the MOV file's audio tracks. It is a known QuickTime problem, which was fixed in 5.5.

     
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