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Windows alternative to Apple ProRes 422?

Nov 10, 2011 3:14 PM

Tags: #pc #prores

HI

 

I am running CS5.5 on a HP workstation, Win 7 Pro.  I understand that I cannot use the apple prores codec as I am not on a Mac.  However, I have a client who wants footage delivered as ProRes 422.  What would people suggest as the best output option on a PC to provide the same quality?

 

Many thanks

 
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    Nov 10, 2011 3:52 PM   in reply to PmPhotographic

    I'd use these: Avid QuickTime Codecs LE 2.3.4

     

    Free, cross-platform, and more-or-less equal to ProRes 422. When you send the client the footage, send them the codecs, too.

     
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    Nov 11, 2011 9:12 AM   in reply to PmPhotographic

    Well, there are lots of codec choices and format options in Pr that would potential satisfy any delivery requirement--but we really don't know what your delivery requirement is. I suggested DNxHD, because doughnuts-to-doughnuts, it's pretty similar in quality and function to ProRes; the compression type they both use is the same. They both provide a large, high-quality, able-to-be-edited, suitable-for-broadcast, ready-for-archive video file.

     

    That said, if they don't need to edit the file, or archive it, or are going to be recompressing the file for broadcasting (through some sort of play-out server), then there are other high-quality options you might potential use that are already available in Pr, don't require a codec download and installation, and will create much smaller delivery files. One clear option in this regard would be to use H.264 as the codec; this is either available by selecting H.264 as the Format (which creates an MP4 and has quite a few configurable options) or by selecting QuickTime as the Format (this creates an MOV, but isn't quite as configurable). I actually do most of my broadcast delivery with the QuickTime H.264 option, and I'm on a PC.

     

    I guess the bottom line is that you need to check with the recepient what their needs really are, and if they are flexible on format.

     

    Hope that doesn't confuse too much!

     
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    Nov 11, 2011 9:13 AM   in reply to PmPhotographic

    When I had to deliver HD for broadcast, I was asked to deliver as ProRes, too. With agreement, I delivered using Avids free DNxHD codec. Boadcaster happy, me happy.

     
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    Nov 11, 2011 9:18 AM   in reply to Colin Brougham

    Im no dessert expert, but I think the phrase might be "dollars to doughnuts". 

     

    Dollars to donuts is a faux bet in which one person agrees to put up the same amount of dollars to another person's donuts in a bet (where a donut is considered to be worth much less than a dollar). Betting someone dollars to donuts is a rhetorical device that indicates that the person is confident in the outcome of an event, but it does not usually involve an actual bet with actual payoffs (either in dollars or in donuts).

     

    Or , to quote Homer Simpson....."Dooouuuggghhnnuuttsssss".

     
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    Nov 11, 2011 9:21 AM   in reply to lasvideo

    I say "doughnuts to doughnuts" because the phrase "comparing apples to oranges" doesn't make sense, and I don't want to say "Apples to apples" because that's just silly and I don't want to give Apple any free publicity.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    And I like doughnuts.

     
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    Nov 11, 2011 9:24 AM   in reply to Colin Brougham

    My humblest apologies . As penance I better go eat some donuts cause eating an apple might also give them free publicity. Besides, sometimes doughnuts are lots more yummy.

     
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    Nov 12, 2011 12:30 AM   in reply to PmPhotographic

    PmPhotographic, the exact request was phrased as a question by the broadcaster, as they knew that at that time I was editing using Vegas Pro. "Can you export as Apple ProRes 422 (HQ)?"

     

    Other editiors had suggested DNxHD, so I gave it a try, and it worked a treat, though rendering time was slow on my dual core PC.

     

    The broadcaster was happy with it, and didn't mind having to install the codec on their Apple Macs. I guess it was just another tool in their armoury of editing tools... and one they didn't have to pay for .

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 6:53 AM   in reply to PmPhotographic

    I'll offer another vote for the Avid DNxHD codecs...

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 1:26 PM   in reply to davidbeisner2010

    Take a look at Motion JPEG2000, while you're at it.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 3:50 PM   in reply to PmPhotographic

    Although you can not export Prores422 directly from Premiere on a Windows NLE you can transcode to Prores422 on a windows system.

     

    An application called 5DtoRGB (rarevision) will do this ....and HQ and LT and Proxy... as well as DNxHD  etc...

     

    Export a lossless intermediate master and then trancode it if it must be Prores422

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 6:50 AM   in reply to shooternz

    Shooterns...  Thanks for the heads-up about 5DtoRGB.  I downloaded it, and the Read Me file states:  "Apple ProRes codecs must be installed in order to output files in ProRes format."  Sounds to me that rules out creating ProRes from a Windows system.  But, if you've done this, and know otherwise, I'd love to be able to pass this intelligence on to some of my colleagues.

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 11:06 AM   in reply to Jim Curtis

    I have done this Jim and it works perfectly.

     

    I have QT Pro in my system I might add.

     

    Did you download the Windows vewrsion BTW?

     

     

    But ...watch this space. I may have even better news once I test a little beta program later today

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 11:49 AM   in reply to shooternz

    Hi and thanks again, Shooternz.  I'm a Mac owner, but I do work freelance on Windows systems, and have associates who are on Windows.  So, no I downloaded the Mac version. 

     

    I was a little behind on my research, and after Googling, it appears that there are a few options now for making ProRes on Windows.  Among them appears to be a Telestream product called Vantage.

     

    BTW, one of the great advantages of ProRes over DNxHD, esp. for compositing apps, is that there aren't any frame size or rate restrictions on ProRes, as there are with DNxHD, which is quite persnickety about them.  DNx won't let you make pre-renders that are 10x1000 at 8 FPS, for example, but ProRes has no problems with that kind of thing.

     
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    Mar 8, 2013 2:49 AM   in reply to PmPhotographic

    Hi, i have developed a little plugin for AE to convert files to prores 422, you can read more about it and download it here> http://www.dubon.fr/conversion-prores422/

     

    it's free

     
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    Mar 8, 2013 7:11 AM   in reply to Guigozz

    Very kind of you to share.  I've posted your link for my Windows colleagues on the Media-Motion Ae list.

     
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    Mar 25, 2013 11:28 PM   in reply to PmPhotographic

    You may also refer to this video tutorial on how to encode ProRes on Windows at How to Encode ProRes on Windows?

    This gudie helps to convert various videos to Apple ProRes  format especially convert video to ProRes 4444 like convert MXF to  ProRes 4444, convert H.264 to ProRes 4444, AVCHD to ProRes 4444, AVI to  ProRes 4444, MP4 to ProRes 4444, MOV to ProRes 4444 or convert to ProRes  4444 from other video including MKV, YouTube, FLV, WMV, MOD, WTV, RMVB, WebM, ASF, SWF, 3GP, and etc.

     
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