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m.kellerman
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Can I have "All spots to process" checked at all times, even for new spot colors?

Dec 20, 2011 8:08 AM

When I check “All spots to process” in the pdf export settings and save my settings the settings remember that I've checked this option. But, if new spot color objects using new spot color swatches are added to the document (or another document) and I go into the pdf export settings the check mark has been changed into a dash (with the actual checkbox highlighted) – signifying that only some of of the spot colors will be changed to process colors during export. I absolutely fail to see how this could possibly be seen as a feature and not a bug … if the user has checked “ALL spots to process” wouldn't the user expect ALL spots to be converted to process colors, rather than just any spot colors that happened to be in the document that happened to be open when the user first checked that checkbox and saved that setting?

 

Am I missing something here? What's the point of even having that checkbox as part of your saved export settings if it doesn't include any other spot colors than those used when saving the settings?

 

What's the point of having settings if you can't trust them, and still need to manually "override" them every time?

 

I see that some users have taken to writing scripts that instead turn all spot colors in the swatch panel to process colors, and while I commend them for creating that workaround, I'm still pissed at Adobe for not getting the function right.

 

If this is a feature, who is it for? People who want to add just certain spot colors and turn those into process colors rather than turning all spot colors into process colors are surely better off doing that in the swatches panel, where they're in total control of what's what. And if they don't want to "permanently" change their spot colors to process colors, and prefer to (temporarily) convert them during exporting/printing only, they can do that in the ink manager. But when someone checks convert "All spots to process" couldn't we safely assume they really want ALL spot colors to be converted and not just some of them? I mean, the way that checkbox behaves now, it's like it's a button and not a checkbox. As in: hit the button "All spots to process" to switch all currently viewed spot colors to process colors in the ink manager, OR check the "All spots to process" checkbox to always convert ALL spot colors to process colors during exporting/printing.

 

Anyone got any light to shed on this?

 

And is there a way to actually get the advertised behavior, because if you have to run a script every time you export/print you might as well just manually select the checkbox every time instead, but either way it's just really unnecessary as far as I'm concerned … Adobe should get the feature right instead.

 

If you save a setting and recall it, it shouldn't be possible for that setting to change into something else (in this case changing a checkmark to a dash).

 

Clearly CMYK printing is the norm, so for most users it would make a lot of sense to have the "All spots to process" checked most of the time, and then you just go into the swatches panel or the ink manager and set things correctly for those print jobs that really do need spot colors.

 

I myself am not one of those who add spot colors to my swatches unless I'm really using them as spot colors, but I often work with magazines and folders featuring adverts made by whoever, and typically there's always at least one advert that features spot colors, and therefore it would be very nice if the "All spots to process" feature actually worked as advertised without any required actions from me.

 

We stopped sending ads back to the advertisers for adjustments a long time ago, unless we absolutely had to, because there were so many things wrong with so many ads that it was simply too much work to write back and explain everything to people who most of the time didn't even understand what we were talking about. We found that it was usually a LOT faster and easier to just adapt the ads ourselves, as long as it was something that could be worked out really quickly from within InDesign itself, which pretty much included most typical errors.

 

But with this feature I find Adobe is trying to make my job harder rather than easier, and it's pissing me off. Arrrghh… ;-)

 
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  • Rob Day
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    Dec 21, 2011 6:41 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    The Ink Manager settings are not included in PDF Presets—the Ink Manager button is there so you don't have to exit the Export dialog in order to make a change over in Ink Manager. If you choose Adobe PDF Presets>Define... you'll see that the Ink Manger button under Output is grayed out. The Print dialog and Print Presets work the same way.

     

    All Spots to Process is a shortcut for checking or unchecking the process/spot buttons in the ink list, not for setting a global application behavior.

     
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  • Rob Day
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    Dec 21, 2011 8:11 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    So is it saved with the document then?

     

    The state of the ink list (spots on or off) is saved with the document. The All Spots to Process check box is merely a convenient way to switch the state of a long list of swatches that are defined as spots, it's not intended to ensure any specific behavior at print time—the person outputting the job has control over that. If you want to remove that control, you need to convert the swatches from the Swatches panel.

     
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  • Rob Day
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    Dec 21, 2011 8:58 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    as a checkbox should always stay checked and deliver on what it says, and this one doesn't work that way, it works like a button.

     

    The ink list can have 3 different states, which the checkbox shows—all on (checked), all off (unchecked), a mix of spot and process(a dash). 3 state check boxes are pretty common.

     
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  • Rob Day
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    Dec 21, 2011 11:03 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    Bring up the InDesign Preferences and on the middle of page one you'll find Object Editing, with a checkbox

     

    But It's not a preference it's a shortcut for enabling and disabling items in a list.

     

    If a story has 2 paragraphs one with Hyphenation turned on and the other with it turned off, I don't have any problem understanding what a dashed Hyphenation check box means when I select both paragraphs.

     
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