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The new common forum

Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM

I am so irritated already by the forum's new habit of jumping to the most recent post that this common forum idea is probably the end of my participation.  I simply don't want to read through hundreds of Win subject lines to find something relevant to the Mac, or constantly open threads that turn out to be Win only. I have looked at it, but I am not happy. I'm stuck back at CS2, so many of the posts are not of any interest anyway. My plan to upgrade both computer and software is on indefinite hold until our new socialist man leaves office, and the new guy probably can't solve the problem either, so what's a boy to do?

 
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  • Currently Being Moderated
    Dec 20, 2011 2:43 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    "until our new socialist man leaves office"?

     

    Oh, I thought you were in the US. Where are you located?

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 8:24 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Lundberg02 wrote:

     

    I'm stuck back at CS2, so many of the posts are not of any interest anyway.

     

     

    Ya better rethink that position cause once CS6 comes out, you won't be able to upgrade to it from anything older than Photoshop CS5. Adobe has a 20% discount for the upgrade to CS5.x until Dec 31st.

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 11:14 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    until our new socialist man leaves office

    Like Mr.Cox I would be interested to read what person and office you are referring to.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 12:14 AM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Drink some herb tea and go for a walk...

     
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  • Pierre Courtejoie
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    Dec 21, 2011 6:59 AM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Lundberg, in the new forum, we invite users to label their threads when their issue is system-specific, and moderators have been asked to do so.

    The plus is that the threads that are not restricted to a platform, like design ones, will benefit of the knowledge of users of both sides, and IMHO, it will be good for the whole community.

    Also, users that only visited one side, will learn stuff from the other one, and might help users from the other platform fix or at least troubleshoot their issues.

    Photoshop is one of the last forums up here that has that platform split.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 6:53 AM   in reply to Pierre Courtejoie

    > in the new forum, we invite users to label their threads when their issue is system-specific, and moderators have been asked to do so.

     

    You can wish on a star all you like, it won't happen. Anyone who has been on forums for more than a day knows it.

     

    >Photoshop is one of the last forums up here that has that platform split.

     

    And the only one that still does it right. I don't care about Windows issues. The Lr forum is a perfect example. You never know what OS the person is using and always have to ask before you can help.

     

    I'm sorry, but Lundberg is 100% correct on this. When I saw the new forum I knew exactly what was coming down the road. It's just a matter of time before they merge the forums into one. Adobe never listened to the end-user before, I don't expect they'll start now.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 9:17 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    There's no need to "predict", Lundberg02.  The Photoshop forums were merged once before, and it was an absolute disaster.  That's why they were split again later.

     

    Now they're going to merge them again. As I wrote on the forums forum, morons don't learn from history.

     

    Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is one of the definitions of insanity.

     

    To be frank, I'm mildly amused. 

     

     

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    Dec 22, 2011 3:35 AM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Well, all the scepticism I've seen so far seems to come from one side. If there is going to be a platform war, it will be pretty unilateral.

     

    I'm considering a new avatar to come clean right away:

    peanuts.png

    Don't worry, boys. It'll work out fine.

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 4:25 AM   in reply to twenty_one

    Well, all the scepticism I've seen so far seems to come from one side.

    Ah, does it?

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/939197?tstart=30

     

    I live in the lawless tribal regions of Idaho. 

    So you have a socialist governor there or what?

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 5:06 AM   in reply to c.pfaffenbichler

    Noel changed his mind quickly. And the others are only concerned with one thing: the risk of platform evangelism. Which indicates they have no need for it.

     

    Seriously: we're all here to learn. How can we do that if we seal ourselves off from half the user base, and refuse to have anything to do with them?

     

    We've always had lots of Mac users on the Windows forum. People like yourself, Buko (scandalously banned) and Phos±four dots, to name a few, all extremely helpful and open-minded. Then we had The Reverend Mark Reynolds, full of religious fervor. We got tired of that pretty quickly.

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 9:39 AM   in reply to Tai Lao

    > Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is one of the definitions of insanity.

     

    No, I think the word you were looking for is "marketing".

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 9:59 AM   in reply to Chris Cox

    So »Dilbert« represents the truth after all?

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 12:55 PM   in reply to twenty_one

    D, Fosse,

     

    Those names are a blast from the past.

    Buko and others; along with some current contributors, may sometimes rub people the wrong way.

     

    The important thing is that most of them; past & current, know what they are doing and can provide helpful solutions.

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 4:51 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Lundberg02 wrote:

     

    …didn't know Buko was banned…

     

    …along with Phosphor±, Ann Shelbourne, Ramón G Castañeda, Laurentiu Todie, John Joslin (later un-banned but then deceased), et al.

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 5:27 PM   in reply to Chris Cox

    Chris Cox wrote:

     

    > Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is one of the definitions of insanity.

     

    No, I think the word you were looking for is "marketing".

     

     

      ROFL !     

     
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    Dec 22, 2011 11:11 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Well, linguistically speaking I guess if enough people start using a word as an all-purpose slur devoid of its original and historical meaning that word will eventually take on that new meaning.

     

    But as a european I certainly have an outsider’s view on the issue of the current POTUS’ achievements and merits.

     
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    Dec 23, 2011 9:59 AM   in reply to Tai Lao

    >Ramón G Castañeda

     

    ...and later reincarnated as the man in the mask.

     
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    Dec 23, 2011 3:20 PM   in reply to Danny Michael

    Which is widely known.  The user ID, Tai Lao, means simply too old in Mandarin.  The signature, Wo Tai Lao Le, 我太老了, means I'm too old

     

    My sporadical participation now will dwindle to practically zero as soon as the Photoshop forums are merged.  I read substantially less than half the posts as it is and reply to a small percentage of those I read.

     

    Like Lundberg02, I won't be inclined to wade through a see of Windows-oriented posts.

     

     

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    Dec 23, 2011 7:37 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

     
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    Dec 23, 2011 9:52 PM   in reply to Tai Lao

    >My sporadical participation now will dwindle to practically zero as soon as the Photoshop forums are merged.

     

    My guess is most of us Mac users will fade away. Sigh, it used to be so much fun in here, then they banned everyone who made it a place to look forward to. Anyways, old news. Life goes on, even after a merge. It'll just go on elsewhere for me.

     
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    Dec 23, 2011 11:22 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Lundberg02 wrote:

     

    …the German expert I could not understand even when he wrote perfectly good English. Gerhardt Hofmann or something like that

     

     

    Prof. Dr. Gernot Hoffmann.  http://www.fho-emden.de/~hoffmann/

     
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    Dec 24, 2011 4:35 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Timo

     
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    Dec 24, 2011 6:44 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    To use a linear gamma when doing image processing...which while not in Photoshop is the basis of the image processing pipelin of ACR/LR. Not, I might add because of Timo but Thomas Knoll thinking keeping linear raw capture linear through the processing was useful.

     
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    Dec 24, 2011 10:29 PM   in reply to Lundberg02

    Lundberg02 wrote:

     

    So, not so nuts, then?

     

     

    It was nutz enough when he was advocating taking an image that was already in a gamma 1.8 or 2.2 into linear gamma for editing in Photoshop. But that was really before digital capture in raw in linear gamma...big difference.

     
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    Dec 27, 2011 11:22 AM   in reply to azdawg99

    azdawg99 wrote:

     

    ... I don't care about Windows issues...

    I don't care about Windows issues and I don't care about Mac issues. I come to a Photoshop forum to discuss and learn about Photoshop.

     

    As one that uses Photoshop on multiple platforms and pays attention to both the Mac and Windows forums, there is actually very little that is unique to a platform. If platform specific discussions are there, they have been easily ignored.

     

    There is a certain decline of the Photoshop forums and I don't think it is due to banning some of the 'old-timers' or any restructuring of the forum. The internet has simply changed. 10 years ago, a forum or mailing list was the best place to learn about new tools and techniques. Now we have very capable search engines to find information on demand, podcasts/news sites/bloggers to keep us up-to-date, and YouTube/Lynda.com for tutorials. That leaves the Photoshop forums mostly for new users to come to holler "my Adobe is broken".  There is little reason for a forum regular to care about what happens to the forum structure. We've already been shuffling toward the exit.

     
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    Dec 27, 2011 11:49 AM   in reply to Marian Driscoll

    >That leaves the Photoshop forums mostly for new users to come to holler "my Adobe is broken".  There is little reason for a forum regular to care about what happens to the forum structure. We've already been shuffling toward the exit.

     

    Amen

     
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    Dec 27, 2011 6:39 PM   in reply to Marian Driscoll

    . . . That leaves the Photoshop forums mostly for new users to come to holler "my Adobe is broken"

     

    Marian, truer words were never spoken!

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 10:40 AM   in reply to Bo LeBeau

    Think of the savings if *all* forums were merged under a single "Adobe" header!

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM   in reply to [Jongware]

    [Jongware] wrote:

     

    Think of the savings if *all* forums were merged under a single "Adobe" header!

     

     

    That is precisely what Adobe did to the international forums (German, French, Spanish, Japanese) where all the Adobe applications are lumped together by language into a single forum.

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:46 PM   in reply to Tai Lao

    哎哟!

     
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