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Why does PrE9 tell me I've got the wrong Preset, Do I want to Change it?

Feb 23, 2012 2:58 PM

I understand that PrE9 has this feature and I thought it was a good idea at first. But I have done about 10 New Projects experimenting with a VOB file and things are weird.

 

As has been discussed before, I used the Hard Disc/Flash Memory Preset (standard for 4:3 video) for VOB and MPEG (Upper Field First). I click on Get Media. I select the VOB (from a folder). The Get (Add?) Media dialog box waits for a bit, (hour glass comes up) (Not Responding) then goes ahead and adds the Media. When I go to insert the VOB, it says I have the wrong Preset, do I want to change it. OK, I say. The program does it's thing and the video is in the program. Very grainy, liney, jerky. It has no red line indicating I need to render but I push Enter anyway. No change. I check the project Presets and PrE has changed it to DV NTSC Standard. I only have 2 choices for this video in the Presets when starting a new 4.3 video.

 

So I start another new Project same settings, and this time I pick NO when it asks me if I want to change the settings. Video in the program, but this time it has the red line to Render.I push Enter and when done I have good video in the Monitor window.

 

I tried doing other scenarios and exports, made a copy of the VOB and renamed it .mpg but only got 11 seconds on the timeline. I brought it in as a DV NTSC Standard and reversed the field order and got the render line, Render and good video. Did other experiments I forget now. Anybody else run into something like this? Maybe I am not comprehending something. Doesn't seem to like mpeg either unless I jockey things around. 

420 Views   8 Replies   Latest reply: head spin, Feb 27, 2012 12:52 PM
 
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  • nealeh
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    1. nealeh,
    Feb 23, 2012 3:43 PM   in reply to head spin
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    • Where has the VOB you're using come from?
    • What does GSpot say about it (post a screenshot)?
    • For each of your tests I suggest Sharing the clip to a rewritable DVD as an autoplay movie and see how it looks on a real DVD player / TV. Previews on a computer screen can be very misleading.

     

     

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  • head spin
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    2. head spin,
    Feb 23, 2012 6:38 PM   in reply to nealeh
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    Thanks Nealeh,

    not on my desktop right now, but about got GSpot memorized. Says DVD ready VOB, I/L, TFF, 4.3 nothing in the container. Forgot to look at kbps.

     

    If i remember right the VOB played from the disc I made several yeaors ago and I copied it off the disc. I will do the screenshot if u still need it and I will try the autoplay disc.

     
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  • nealeh
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    3. nealeh,
    Feb 24, 2012 2:36 AM   in reply to head spin
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    Yes, please do the GSpot screen dump. Also, when you let PRE change the project settings could you post a screenshot of what it changes it to (Edit> Project Settings> General).

     

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  • Bill Hunt
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    4. Bill Hunt,
    Feb 24, 2012 7:29 AM   in reply to head spin
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    Unfortunately, not all VOB's are created equal. PrE works perfectly with 100% DVD-compliant VOB's, but most DVR's, and some authoring programs, do NOT create 100% DVD-compliant VOB's. See this ARTICLE for more info.

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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  • head spin
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    5. head spin,
    Feb 24, 2012 9:43 AM   in reply to nealeh
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    Thanks guys.

    Here is the screenshot of GSpot

    GSpot Katryna Choir VOB.jpg

    Here is the shot of the Project Setting chosen by PrE9 when I have picked the HDD, Flash Memory setting (and it asks me if I want to change it and I say yes).  No red lines but lousy video and can't render.

    Project Setting PrE choose Setting.jpg

    Here is the Screen Shot if I say No and keep the HDD, Flash Memory Project Setting. I get the red line, but if I render the video is good in monitor.

    Project Setting HDD, Flash Memory.jpg

    Hope these pics are legible. Still having problem with having a nice pic on this end and when I post, they get scrunched and fuzzy. I remembered wrong.Says DVD "VOB" format.

     

    I think as Bill says this may be one of those Problematic VOB's. I played around with Sreamclip and converted to AVI and it seems to be good video. I just basically used the same settings Steve used in his post (thread 415317) and then brought it in to the program. This may be the way I have to go. I think I need to try VirtualDub as I understand it does MPEG and VOB

     
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  • head spin
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    6. head spin,
    Feb 24, 2012 9:47 AM   in reply to head spin
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    Looks lousy after posting except GSpot. The only difference I can see was the change between lower and upper fields depending on preset. Still DV NTSC in both windows. Pre switched it to lower field first if I let it choose. If I said NO it left it upper field first.

     
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  • nealeh
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    7. nealeh,
    Feb 24, 2012 9:59 AM   in reply to head spin
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    Screenshots are compressed for initial display. Click 'em and they display in their full glory. As you say the only difference is in the Fields.

     

    When you are viewing in PRE right-click the monitor panel and make sure that magnification is 1:1 and quality 'highest'. Does that make any difference?

     

    Share the clip to a re-writeable and watch it on a real DVD player / TV. Do the same for the other Field project. Which looks best? Go with that one for the future.

     

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  • head spin
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    8. head spin,
    Feb 27, 2012 12:52 PM   in reply to nealeh
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    Thanks Nealeh,

    I did 4 different projects, 2 in PrE7 and 2 in PrE9. I played with the monitor quality and magnification (thanks for that "right click the monitor panel" tip). PrE7 monitor settings were more more complex than PrE9, but both programs were set to FIT.This gave the larger view in the monitor window than with other options from 10% to 100% (or your 1:1 I presume), then jumping to 150% to 200% (which I didn't try). But the best picture was in PrE9 which did give the highest quality setting. PrE7 gave various quality settings which didn't seem to make much difference. But the output video wasn't as good as the video in PrE9 monitor.

     

    As far as the video Project settings, PrE7 gave me the red render line no matter which setting I used. PrE9 gave me the renderline as I mentioned earlier in the post. None of the video played well in a dvd player, so I need to try different ways of converting to AVi before importing VOB stuff. Surprisingly, I had some 16:9 video from my Sony camcorder which I threw in on all the tests, and outside of rendering depending on when the red line showed up, it gave consistantly decent video (although cropped from conforning to the 4:3 setting).

     

    I don't think AVI is all that simple either, although I don't get a red line for render. I think this relates to the readings in the Gspot container window, which I still need to find out why some AVI in the conversion processes shows as 2 part, 3 part, or even 5 part Open DML and what that means. Also the codes in the User Data/Metadata window. AVI evidently has its quirks/variations like the VOB does and I don't know what PrE does in the program to handle the differences. If I have a 5 part I see it being converted to a 3 or 2 part. 3 part to 2 part. PrE (either program) doesn't export what I put in, even If I only trim or split clips, and export to work with later. Bill Hunt and I discussed  the container window somewhat in another post.

     

    Anyway there was a very bright spot in your last post regarding ScreenShots. I didn't have a clue that you could CLICK on the SCREENSHOT to EXPAND IT. Is this in the TIPS and TRICKS or somewhere? Maybe other people aren't aware of this. I had been trying to figure out what was wrong with my pics. Turns out they are ok. I did them with Paint and the Windows Snipping Tool (which doesn't come with Windows 7 but you can download from Microsoft). Very simple to use if anybody wants to know how to use them, I can post on that. I actually had asked a year ago if anybody was using them because I have no photo program in my system, but didn't get a response.

     

    Thanks again

     
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