" "I am also assuming that Adobe folks are monitoring this forum. I'd be pretty sure they are..."
Mark. It is the weekend but I cannot believe they are."
I take that back. During the UK night someone moved my initial slow slider post to the other bug reporting forum.
So Adobe are on to the case.
I have an XEON 2,67GHz, 6GB RAM, Nvidia Quattro FX1700, WD Velociraptor HDD, Single Monitor and LR4 is almost as fast as LR3. No trouble browsing through photos, geotagging photos etc. But it is certainly EATING MOMORY compared to LR3. Starting with 300 MB rising to about 3.5-4GB. The CPU Fan is running a lot - so it's certainly rather ressource hungry. But not slow to use.
I have not installed the beta prior to installing release version of LR4
So it realy seems like LR4 is having some hardware compability issues
2.7GHz i7 / 6GB (Lenovo G770)
MS Win Home Premium 64-bit
Extremely slow ... click an image to enlarge and I can almost watch the screen redrawing. Touch any slider, but perhaps especially denoise, and the fan comes on full blast and the whole machine slows; Export 6 2048*1536 jpegs - takes 20 seconds and CPUs at 100% much of the time; single click on a filmstrip image - 80-90% CPU; animated activity icon is whirring for almost any activity I care to try.
Catalogue is < 3K images at the moment. I always build 1:1s on import; the slowness is the same whether I edit newly imported images or images which were already in the catalogue from LR 3.6
LR3.6 was fine on the same machine.with the same catalogue.
I have to say I didn;t notice this level of poor performance with the beta, but then I didn't try to import all my old images either ...
Kaur 100 wrote:
I run firstname.lastname@example.org, 8GB ram, W7sp1. Initial impressions with LR4 beta were also general sluggishness in navigating around and when switching between 100% pictures to build the 1:1 previews. For me it improved when I deleted the folder "Previews.lrdata" (but kept the catalogue file!) and had LR4 rebuild the previews/100% views from scratch not relying on old database import from LR3.5 (appx 25000 pics). Also, the thing which I noticed is that in Library mode initially zooming into 100% view to build full view takes a bit more time than in Develop mode. But as it is currently only about 1.5 seconds for LR to build full 100% view, then it is not too bad compared with LR3.5 (roughly 1 sec). Sliders move around very smoothly and adjustments appear instantly as well.
This thread is virtually identical to threads about the LR1-LR2 and LR2-LR3 upgrades. LR3 was unuseable for me until I deleted all of my previews and recreated the standard previews for my entire catalog- a lengthy process on the system I was using at the time.
I had intermittent slowness in LR3. ranging from unusable to highly annoying. Other times it ran smoothly. the only thing I could puin down the slownewss was disc activity. As soon as the HDD LED was either constantly on or flashing rapidly, LR3 slowed down to a crawl and slider repsonsiveness was terrible.. like 5 seconds before a change happened.
LR4 has upto now been fairlry responsive
I have an i7 930 with 6Gb of RAM overclocked to 3.8Ghz
Adobe should look to the disc drive handling IMHO
I just wanted to include my experience of LR4 in this forum.
I too have upgraded from LR3.6 and initially I came to this forum after experiencing performance issues that would have, in my opinion, made LR4 unusable.
I removed LR4 Beta - as a matter of good practice - before loading the release version of LR4. I installed LR4 alongside LR3.6 (i.e did not remove 3.6 before 4).
I opened LR4 and pointed it at my "old" LR3.6 Catalogue and was promted to convert the catalogue for use in LR4.
I ran through the automated process and thought nothing of it. I converted all my photos to PV2012
Note: LR4 created a COPY op my LR3.6 CAT that sat alongside the old one.
400 images in my catalogue, some tiff, some NEF, some JPEG, some DNG!
I then noticed the performance issues, especially with flicking between images in the film strip ( ~3 second delay between redraw). I also noticed this with WB, Exposure and a number of other sliders lagging typically 1-2 seconds behind.
Note: I did not notice slow performance or other performance issues within the Beta (created a fresh catalogue anyway)
# My Resolution:
- Removed 3.6CAT (backed up to another folder of course)
- Renamed the LR4 CAT and Deleted .irdata folder and previews folder.
- Loaded LR4 and pointed it to the catalogue, waited for LR to create the default folders. (1-2 minutes, it did not take long)
- Rendered all previews in catalogue: library>render previews and render 1:1 previews
- Ran optimize catalogue (as a peace of mind option)
LR4 not runs as well as 3.6, which, is all I could ask for.
If anything is not clear of you want to know more if i left anything out, let me know.
For what it is worth I have included my PC spec:
AMD Phenom, 3.7Ghz, 4GB RAM, ATI4850, WD Black 640GB.
LR4 is, IMO, a little more RAM hungry than 3.x
Message was edited by: Screenynamettr That should say LR4 NOW runs as well as 3.6
Shame that some people are having issues. Upgrades should be seamless IMO, and the kind of performance issues mentioned here would drive me insane.
Lucky for me I guess LR4 is blazing fast - better across the board than LR3, especially in bulk handling of metadata and develop adjustments (WIn7-64 tower, i7 2600k 3.4ghz, 16gb ram, 4.5tb, migrated LR3 cat of 50k images).
Adobe has a good guide to speeding performance here, but you really shouldn't have to change anything to accomodate the upgrade, and the kind of outrageous slowness people are describing here - waiting five seconds for things that should definitely be instantaneous - can only be bugs it seems. Either that or there is (for some user segment) a best practices routine required for LR4 that is different than LR3, and Adobe hasn't informed everyone.
Seems like a lot of people talking about higher memory usage, and a lot of people with problems posting saying that they have 6gb of ram. I wonder if people aren't just swapping. 6gb is perhaps not enough for guaranteed swap-free performance, especially if you're multi-tasking with other applications and if you have some system bloat in general. RAM is so cheap it's certainly an easy fix.
Also I wonder if people are doing things such that their camera raw cache has to be rebuilt, and they are misinterpreting the cache re-do as general slowness in the Develop module. As far as sliders, all slider operations should always be smooth and instantaneous I think, even on slower machines, and definitely on faster machines.
I have during today tried some similar things as per Screenynamettr.
Main thing was change the way I got my LR3.6 catalogue into LR4. This time I first optimised the catalog in LR3.6 and then directly opened that catalog in LR4 (NB open not import-from-another-catalog which was how I had done it before); LR4 prompts/warns that it will need to update the catalog and regenerate the previews. I let it do so, and actually forced it to re-update at a prompt as it warns it has already updated the LR3.6 catalog (as part of the earlier import-as-catalog process).
What I then get is a different behaviour to when I imported-from-catalog. Firstly the LR4 update/open process did not take anywhere as near as long as the import-as-catalog process (which took several hours, this took a few mins only). Now when I go into folders in the opened LR3.6 catalog I can see LR4 is regenerating the previews (whereas with the import-as-catalog they were already there).
Now for the important bit, having done it this way, LR4 is much faster at editing those original LR3.6 images that it was with an import-as-catalog (NB all along I am driving two monitors with the second one a 2560x1600 in loupe mode).
If I then do the convert one image to DNG it actually slows down.... so I went back and re-did the open LR3.6 step.
Now I am exploring further with deleting the LR4 previews file totally and just seeing what happens.
Also will do some experimentation with my display layouts swapped over in OS X. Then the main display would be the 2560x1600 and the second would be 1920x1200. There's a critical factor maybe in that once a display is over 2048px, then LR uses 1:1 previews for the loupe view on that. My images are also typically 24MP RAW.
Whatever is going on to create my LR4 slowness is clearly related to (maybe it's only 1:1) previews (as 1:1 is what is needed by a second 2560x1600 monitor) and how those are reference/related/generated/updated alongside especially to the structure of an imported 3.6 catalog. Opening rather than importing the LR3.6 catalog seems to be a different process resulting in a different structure (maybe, my deduction) in the LR4 catalog, and on my machine that has definitely resulted in faster LR4 editing performance, but a slower folder "open" inside LR as the previews are dynamically generated rather than pulled from a regenerated cache.
I am also experiencing downspeed using Lightroom 4.0 when switching from one module to another several times, and tremendous downspeed when using the local brush adjustment and observed that my Random Access Memory usage is reaching 98%.
Hoping that Adobe Lightroom Team will fix this issue like what they did in Adobe Photoshop CS6, I watched the sneak peek featuring the Liquify Filter in Adobe Photoshop CS6 and it seems like a charm.
Overall, Lightroom 4.0 is a great application for digital photographers.
Lightroom 4 is VERY slow for me, but I wish it was "only" that... I also find the way he converts the image to the new version, really horrible.
In the new engine, all my images look greyish.
Here's a sample (crops), first the original (Lightroom 3 "2010" engine), then the new version (Lightroom 4 "2012" engine):
I simply can not accept this detriment in image quality.
I'm using new lightroom on two computers. On both it is very slow. On both there was no performance problem with LR 3.6.
On one of my cmputers I have imported just around 40 JPEG-s to test new lightroom and it is a horror. Sloooow with just 40 JPEG-s?
Also removing ajustment sliders for chromatic abberation is a mistake in my opinion. Sometimes i have to work with files stripped from data and now there is no tool to correct it. I dont want to say that new automatic feature is bad but it is bad that adobe have removed manual sliders.
I know it is not the topic here. What really makes me sad is that if you want to use couple of new cool things that came with lr4
you have to deal with things like slowlyness and usable stuff like chromatic abberation sliders being remowed.
add me to the list for what its worth...Has Adobe issues any sort of formal response yet? I can't see one...I've loath to run the process that some have suggested here because my cat is HUGE (10k+RAW) would take all nite to re-create previews...
re-draw is so slow I can see the pixels being created....same catalog as LR3....Also added 400 new RAWs yesterday to the LR4 catalog and still no effect. Running Mac OS 10.6.8, Mac Pro, 12GB RAM.... Opening LR3 works without a hitch... Can Adobe please respond formally....This product is not usable!!
LR4 is horrible!
Well, on my system it is anyway
It's very slow and unresponsive compared to LR3, fans are running like crazy just for cropping a few images (high CPU heat) and overall conversion from LR3 to 4 is a nightmare.
this happened to a catalog iI used to test LR4 with:
LR3 import, no editing yet, besides lens correction (screenshot/cropped):
and the LR4 'conversion':
The 'auto tone' function isn't as much fun as I thought it would be either...
Auto tone LR3
and the same thing (yes I did reset the image both times!) in LR4:
If this doesn't get fixed soon I will just go back to LR3 and be happy with it.
My recipe for upgrading from LR3 to 4 is:-
Upgrade LR3 catalog as normal
Export upgraded catalog to new catalog (leaves behind any rubbish in old catalog)
Delete all old previews and preview/rootpixel databases
Clear ACR cache
Set LR4 to all Photographs and create all new previews (creates new acr cache at same time).
Go to bed.
Next morning LR 4 runs fine (unless you are creating 50K 1:1s when you will have to wait longer for it all to finish)
So the problem of LR4 being slow are the previews?
Well, in my test catalog of 600+ images the filesize of the previews is:
LR3 -> ~8 MB
LR4 -> ~450 MB !!!
Both use the same preview settings (1440 / normal).
I'll remove the LR4 cat and have it rebuild and see what that leads to.
After rebuilding the LR4 previews the file is about 75% smaller (113 MB) but still 14 times bigger than the LR3 version.
The catalog itself seems to be twice as big. Is this what's causing the slowness then?
Message was edited by: SnewpersObiwan
powerful win7 64bit, dual video cards, 16 gig ram.....
i have the EXACT same issues. Kinda bummin me out. New product that doesn't even fit in my workflow at the moment. I have faith.... great idea's in here.... but PLEASE dial it in a bit. Crunch that useless code!!!!!! This thing moves like a turtle right now. How frustrating. It's like shooting with film. I feel like i'm on AOL dialup.
LEASE dial it in a bit. Crunch that useless code!!!!!! This thing moves like a turtle right now.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the LR code, not fundamentally/across the board anyway. I have the same system specs as you and LR4 is lightning fast on my catalog of 50k images, even faster than LR3, which is saying a lot Apparently something is problematic for some people, but it isn't bloated code.
Ditto on all accounts. I have an Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 with 8GB on Windows Vista 64 with an Nvidia GeForce GTX280 and 10,000 RPM drive. This is the workhorse my business relys on and I often process/cull 500-1000 images in about about 60-90 minutes. Not anymore!! This will take all day on LR4 - totally unusable.
As noted by others, every slider movement brings image flicker and painfully slow redraws. I generally resize every image and do so in LR3 in a scant flash few seconds. Even switching modules in LR4 is slow. Something is seriously wrong with LR4 and if I open Photoshop after LR4 it's even worse. This was not my experience on the the initial use - or even number 2 or 3 - but it started after I experimented with the MAP/BOOK modules, made a few imports and had the APP hang my computer. I thought the app got corrupted do i reinstalled with no impact. Since then the product acts like BETA - not a commercial grade release.
Lightroom 3, still installed, smokes and will have to suffice because too much to do and too little time to do it.
Upgraded today, lightroom does a screen refresh/reload after each edit, its getting to the point where a refund seems like a good option. 2.8 i5 imac, 4g memory, and its like editing in treacle.
I know this was a cheap upgrade, but may have to go back to 3.6, unless this is a passing glitch this 'upgrade' was a complete and embarassing waste of money.
Just gone back into LR3.6, and on balance, I am going to junk LR4, I played with the LR4 beta, didnt get these problems, I like the new sliders and controls in the develop module, but as I dont use the book/video features, the downgrade in basic editing capability is not worth the upgrade(?) price.
Just adding my two cents as well, i upgraded over the weekend, and thought it was a mistake how slow export was. After having done several, I can say, it has nothing to do with beta (I had deinstalled it completely) and nothing to do with importing LR3 catalog stuff. I imported, massaged and exported 4 or 5 new sets and the exports which were simple resolution resizes and saves to jpgs were redonkulously slow.
Sry Adobe - I having the same Problem and my lightroom 4 iss very very laggy and slow.
If you cant speed up, i dont buy lightroom 4
Photoshop CS5 ist 10 Times Faster on my System as Lightroom 4
THATS REALLY FU.....ED
CPU: 6 Core - AMD Phenom II X6 1090T 3,2Ghz Black Edition
Mainbopard : Asus M5A88-M Evo, AM3+, DDR3, SATA3, USB3.0
Grafik : HIS Radeon 5770HD 1024MB DDR5 DUAL DVI-I
RAM : 4x4GB Corsair Vangeance CMZ16GX3M4A PC12800 1600Mhz @ PC10700 -> 1333Mhz
Working OS HDD : Corsair Force Series 3 120GB SATA3 SSD 600MBIT
Working OS : Windows 7 Ultimate
Monitor : 2x Acer 23Inch Wiedscreens with 1680x1020px
Win 7 System Index : 7.5 (CPU 7.5 - RAM 7.5 - Aero 7.5 - Gaming 7.5 - HDD 7.9)
It's not the Beta (uninstall etc). I did not try the Beta.
It's not a Mac problem, I have a W7. 64 bit, i7 quad core, 16GB upper end system
Not using 2 displays
Not running any other apps
Very slow and unusable.
Dont know if i can go back to LR3.6 easily
I rated 10's of images and created/added to a collection...might have to lose that..
Has anyone tried to post a message on the Photoshop 'official' bug report forum?
I can't get it to work with Firefox or Opera.
No wonder they are not escalating this problem. We punters cannot even report it there and this is supposed to be no more than a User to User forum.
There are about 30 people commenting and following that thread Tony, so it should be monitored by Adobe.
It works fine on Chrome if you want to add your comments to it.
Message was edited by: hamish niven typo...
30 or so commenting so far? Not sure what it takes to get their attention as a bug on another Adobe product I use has 36 "votes" on it and this is Adobe's put -- "we have reproduced the problem, but unfortunately, it does not get high enough priority to address in our current release. We track follow up messages and votes info for each bug".
Adobe Lightroom blog tweeted for issues and concerns and linked to the board this discussion appears on. So they're listening. Can't say I'm impressed by their reticence to reply, but at least the lights are on and someone is home.
I have installed LR4 30 day trial on to my Mac mini (quad core server version with 8GB RAM. dual disc - photos on HD, applications on SSD) to try it before deciding whether to pay for the upgrade.
I imported my LR3 catalogue file into a new LR4 catalogue so that it regenerated all of the previews as part of the import.
So far it is running quicker than LR 3.5 (I had not installed 3.6).
Having said that I have not yet tried any major image editing with LR4, only library functions & exporting.
It all sounds promesing but my issue is that I import fresh photos only to LR4 and it still goes much slower than 3.6 at every element. And the export speed (NEF -> JPG) is according to my measurements around 4 time slower than in 3.6
I work on 64bit version using dell with i7+8GBram@W7 on both of LR versions.
I hope it will be fixed soon.
so I subscribed to this thread...boy was that a mistake! Given the HUGE number of issues with this and the nearly as huge number of fix ideas, why can't Adobe simply offer their 'official' recommendation how to upgrade from a prior version like delete previews, cache, etc.... There doesn't seem to be any one single way some folks are trying to fix this...and some try and succeed, some try and don't..... why oh why can't adobe just offer something up? Adobe, are you listening??????
The experiences on migrating to LR 4 are much akin to Apple's Aperture 3 introduction. I wholeheartedly agree with a "best practices" LR 4 installation/optimizing procedure, as this animal certainly has its own personality.
Personally speaking, the Map and Book features are of no value to me.....it would be great to have a LR 4 "slim" package without them, as I suspect they contribute in some way the the performance issues that many see.
wow, this is interesting....when I move from photo to photo in Dev module, all the dev sub modules like tone curve, cam calibration, etc... ALL of this turn on then off during the scroll....what I can't figure out is what is causing what.... is the slowness causing all these modules to switch on and off or is the switching the cause of such this unacceptable delay btwn each photo..... just wanted to share this.
I am running dual quad core Xeons with 12 gigs and a beefy iNvidia graphics card. Whay is LR4 such a sluggish POS? I have no ability to incrementally adjust any slider. Movement is in herky jerk chunks. I am not a 'that's close enough' kind of shooter, but that is about all I am able to get from LR4. How could Adobe release such a POS? I stayed away from the beta to avoid all these problems. I should have stayed away from LR4 all together! And please, don't tell me to do a clean system install. Don't tell me to convert my 400,000 image catalog to the new process. I have work to do for clients, not for Adobe's Enginnering Oversight committee. What a joke.
I do want to say that the some of the new develop module features are amazing....the tint, noise and temp brushes are brilliant ....ITS JUST THAT THEY ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO WORK WITH!
Thanks Mr. Brett, for the info "Optimize Performance | Lightroom" page contains substantial information, actually my system meets the requirement as described, maybe I has to wait until an LR4 update will be released to tackle with the performance, hopefully Lightroom will prioritize the performance issue as they did a great job in the enhnacement compared to LR3.
I,ve just read this announcement: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/03/lightroom-4-hot-issue s.html.
Looks like slowlyness of new LR is not a hot issue for adobe. Well, it is for me, majority of people posting on this forum and probably
for many more lightroom users.
That's why I've been encouraging people to go the official feedback site and post an input.
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