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Can the interface menus and icons be set a little larger in 64bit Photoshop version CS6 ????

Mar 24, 2012 5:51 PM

Can the interface menus and icons be set a little larger in 64bit Photoshop version CS6 ????

It would be very helpful if the tools and font size choices were enhanced to Larger, Largest or custom enhance. Anyone know if that is an idea we can send to Adobe?

 
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    Mar 24, 2012 6:20 PM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    Best to post your question in the CS6 beta forum

    http://forums.adobe.com/community/labs/photoshopcs6?view=discussions

     
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    Mar 25, 2012 2:55 PM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    I agree.  The print and icons are so small you need to get close to the screen to be able to read them easily.

     
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    Mar 25, 2012 5:22 PM   in reply to doreintl

    doreintl wrote:

     

    The print and icons are so small you need to get close to the screen to be able to read them easily.

     

    You should know that what you say is not true of everyone, and frankly the darker interface makes things a lot easier to see at the small size.

     

    It might be better to word a statement like that along the lines of ''I need to get close...'' because you're not speaking for everyone.  I personally prefer to make all menus, title bars, etc. as small as possible to leave more room to work.

     

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    Mar 25, 2012 5:51 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel it does not matter that you have great eye sight, because setting the bar for the likes of you precludes (or at least makes using Photoshop difficult) for all those people who don’t share your great eye sight.  In actual fact, my sight is not at all flash, but I don’t mind the small icons because I know where they are.

     
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    Mar 25, 2012 6:45 PM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    Wow.......a simple question for those of us who are visually challenged evoked some really dramatic answers, non of which had anything to do with the question.  The sign of our times!

     
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    Mar 25, 2012 6:53 PM   in reply to doreintl

    I didn't ask you to not say it.  I just asked that you not speak for me.

     

    And should I sit back and just let everyone say make it bigger without saying anything at all?  Then when they just make it bigger, without any way to change it, because everyone who commented wants it bigger, I'm supposed to just like it?  Sorry, I don't see the need to suppress any opinions here.

     

    I figure if people from both ends of the spectrum speak up perhaps the worst they'll do is make it an OPTION.

     

    My vision is far from perfect, by the way.  I wear glasses.

     

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    Mar 25, 2012 7:23 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel, can't we just agree that they are hard to see sometimes or at least some of the sub-sets difficult to differentiate? In fact I think that it's one of those things that's beginning to irk me just as well. I never thought I'd say this, but ever since my illness has begun affecting my eyesight and things may get a lot worse down the road it is a point of concern. Not in terms of making everything just bigger, but rather having options to make the apps more accessible. This still could include larger icons, but also simply cleaner panels and the ability to pick different fonts and font sizes...

     

    Mylenium

     
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    Mar 25, 2012 7:59 PM   in reply to Mylenium

    Perhaps I'm being perceived here as fighting against Adobe making the interface more accessible.  That couldn't be further from the truth.

     

    All I'm saying is that I find it quite usable as is, and I want it known that not everyone agrees that things are hard to see.  I just don't want Adobe to think that everyone feels its too small.

     

    The interface size settings in the preferences do affect a number of things, but unfortunately not all.  I haven't fooled with the Windows accessibility settings to see whether maybe the new version follows those.  I guess you're saying it doesn't.

     

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    Mar 25, 2012 9:49 PM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    Joey, do you realize that there IS such a configuration option?  It just doesn't affect everything, and I naturally assumed we were talking about those things it doesn't affect, but it occurred to me you may not know you can make at least some parts bigger even now...

     

    Edit - Preferences - Interface...

     

    UIFontSize.jpg

     

    -Noel

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 1:28 AM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    Joey,

     

    In addition to what Noel wrote, there is also your monitor resolution that can be tweaked. Spcifically, if you're using Windows 7...

     

    • Right-click on the desktop
    • Select "Screen Resolution"
    • In the Screen Resolution dialog, there are 3 options in the lower center.
    • Click "Make text and other items larger or smaller"
    • Chose one of the 3 pre-set sizes <OR>
    • In the left column, click "Set Custom text size (DPI)"
    • Then scale the ruler until the text size suits your needs.

     

     

    Word of caution: Most of the screen text will increase in size, but the dialog boxes and fields, and labels, and buttons and bows, etc. Oh my! may not.

     

    Since you're using PS, I'm assuming you know how to calibrate your monitor color. You may also need to adjust the clear type text and screen contrast if you haven't done it in a long time. Title bar and (some) dialg box text can also be manipulated by clicking "Personalization" and fiddling with the Windows Theme text.

     

    Another word of caution:  (if I may) If you're prone to tinker, like I am, wait for a day less busy. Once you get in there and see all the glorious things you can change, you might catch the "Let's see what else I can change" bug. And it won't be pretty. . . . .at first.

     

    Hope this helps ya'

    Randy.

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 6:56 AM   in reply to rprevost

    AMEN.....I AGREE

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 6:59 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    I HAVE BEEN USING "HUGE" IN THE BOX AND THE DIFFERENCE IS REALLY NOT TOO NOTICEABLE

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 7:03 AM   in reply to Mylenium

    NOEL......ALL WE ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT ADOBE GIVE US ALL A CHOICE OF WHAT SIZE WE WANT TO USE.  YOU MIGHT LIKE THE SMALL SIZE, SOMEONE MIGHT LIKE THE MEDIUM SIZE, SOMEONE MIGHT LIKE THE LARGE SIZE, SOMEONE MIGHT LIKE THE HUGE SIZE.  NOT A PROBLEM FOR ADOBE TO PROVIDE.

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 7:07 AM   in reply to rprevost

    UNFORTUNATELY THE SIZE OF THE TEXT AND ICONS IN PHOTOSHOP DO NOT CHANGE AS WE CHANGE THE TEXT IN WINDOWS.  I'VE TRIED THEM ALL AND NO GOOD.  THIS IS AN ADOBE CODE AND HAS TO BE CHANGED IN PHOTOSHOP TO GIVE US DIFFERENT CHOICES OF SIZES.  SHOULD BE SIMPLE FOR THEM TO DO IN CS6 AS THEY HAVE IN ELEMENTS 10

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 9:55 AM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    Joey Rocco wrote:

     

    Hi, Noel..I do know of this in the Edit>prefs>interface.  Thanks for the response, though. I really do appreciate it. I'm running CS5 and I have a Dell HD monitor, it is set to 2560 x 1440. I am pretty sure that is the reason why the interface shows things smaller. I like to take full advantage of my card, and the HD monitor when I paint. So, I figure, Adobe should strive for making the icons and text fonts we see on menus and all a little bigger, or as an option.

     

    This is exactly the point I was making in the other thread.  My 30 inch monitor with 1920 x 1200 pixels is right on the edge of being comfortable.  With 2560 x 1440 the tool icons are going to be that much smaller on the screen, and I doubt I would be able to see them.  This is the way monitors are going, and Adobe has to keep up with this.  Please please please!

     

    BTW  The UI font size adjustment makes so little difference it is hardly worth messing with.

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 10:09 AM   in reply to doreintl

    I just want my little red 'X' back...

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 10:47 AM   in reply to rprevost

    rprevost wrote:

     

    Joey,

     

    In addition to what Noel wrote, there is also your monitor resolution that can be tweaked. Spcifically, if you're using Windows 7...

     

    • Right-click on the desktop
    • Select "Screen Resolution"
    • In the Screen Resolution dialog, there are 3 options in the lower center.
    • Click "Make text and other items larger or smaller"
    • Chose one of the 3 pre-set sizes <OR>
    • In the left column, click "Set Custom text size (DPI)"
    • Then scale the ruler until the text size suits your needs.

     

     

    Word of caution: Most of the screen text will increase in size, but the dialog boxes and fields, and labels, and buttons and bows, etc. Oh my! may not.

     

    Since you're using PS, I'm assuming you know how to calibrate your monitor color. You may also need to adjust the clear type text and screen contrast if you haven't done it in a long time. Title bar and (some) dialg box text can also be manipulated by clicking "Personalization" and fiddling with the Windows Theme text.

     

    Another word of caution:  (if I may) If you're prone to tinker, like I am, wait for a day less busy. Once you get in there and see all the glorious things you can change, you might catch the "Let's see what else I can change" bug. And it won't be pretty. . . . .at first.

     

    Hope this helps ya'

    Randy.

    Changing resolution is useless on LCD monitors because they have one usable fixed resolution which is listed as (recommended) - changing to other resolutions  gives useless distortions of the display. Only CRT monitors were capable of different perfect resolutions which I was able to change on the fly but CRTs are now history.

    Using Windows 7, once I tried the steps you are suggesting to change the size of the text from smaller (the default) to larger and I got unreadable menus with deformed characters which I wasn't able to revert back to normal by any other means but system reinstall.

    Clear type doesn't make any difference on higher resolution monitors like mine (110 ppi). Clear type makes difference on low resolution monitors which natively display text quite large and don't have the problem in question.

    So, for this problem I don't see any help on system level using Windows.

     

    The best solution is the UI designers and software companies to have in mind the variety of screens available today and create options for optimal display on the different monitors. I do struggle and strain my eyes with many UI elements using various programs. I use Photoshop with the large size text option in the preferences which helps a lot and makes PS easier to use than other programs like Illustrator for example but it would be much better if it was possible to adjust all UI elements.

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 11:44 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    frankly the darker interface makes things a lot easier to see at the small size.

     

    I wish this were true for me!  I love the darker interface - it looks much sleeker somehow and I like the way my images stand out against it.  But the icons and menu items are harder for me to read against the dark background.  I realize that I am in the minority here...

     

    In any case, I would welcome the option to be able to further increase the size of the toolbars and menus.

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 12:31 PM   in reply to acresofgreen

    Actually, no, I think most experts say a majority of folks find dark text against a light background easier to read.

     

    What's not being talked about here very much is monitor quality.  We've talked about how small the menu text is on a high dpi display, but size is not the only factor.  The sharpness and gamma setting can factor in, as well as whether you've run the font smoothing tuner on your system to get the best display.

     

    -Noel

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 1:56 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel Carboni wrote:

     

    Actually, no, I think most experts say a majority of folks find dark text against a light background easier to read...

    On paper yes - it reflects light. On screen the problem is - it emits light. The backlit of the LCD is like a very bright light pointed at your eyes - even at very low brightness of a properly calibrated monitor it is still like staring at a light and this is what strain the eyes - not the fact that it is dark text on white.

     

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    but size is not the only factor

    Yes, but there is a threshold for each person below which the size is the only factor. On my monitor some menus are with the size that I won't be able to read easily even if printed with the highest resolution printer on top quality paper - like the fine text on the drugs packages, I always need reading glasses. But on my monitor I have plenty of space for menus with larger text - this screen capture shows how much empty space I have for that.

     

    menusize.jpg

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 1:55 PM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    Joey Rocco wrote:

     

    ...we need bigger interface components in CS6...

     

    From what I understand from Chris Cox's previous comments on the subject, unless that is already under way, there is just no way it could happen for CS6.  It is apparently a much bigger undertaking to redo all those icons than the lay person probably thinks. 

     

    Noel makes a fair point about screen quality.  Even with my poor sight I can read tiny text on my little iPod Touch which has a 960 x 720 display, but surely most of the large monitors a lot of people now use for Photoshop are high quality.  When I got my 30inch Dell Ultrasharp, I bumped my old 24inch Viewsonic to another system which is set up in the same room, so I still use it and can compare.   Using the Viewsonic is like looking through a mud filter compared to the Ultrasharp, and I think I'd get eye strain if I had to use it for any length of time. 

     

    I often think folk like Photographers make poor choices when adding to their kit.  They want lots of lenses, and pay heaps for them, whereas if I started from scratch, a dedicated speedlite would be higher up my list.  We pay huge money for our first install of Photoshop, but struggle to use it on a budget screen.  It makes no sense.

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 2:51 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    I am glad to see qualifiers in your response (most experts & majority of folks) because light-on-dark vs dark-on-light is a topic that has been studied & debated for decades by the Human Factors community and there is no clear cut winner as there are too many factors to control.  If one looks outside the scientific community, say information taken from the internet, what you find are merely preferences despite the retoric attached to the results.

     

    The one guiding principle founded in the science of the human visual system is its contrast sensitivity . Our ability to resolve detail peaks at around 4 cycles per degree. At higher spatial frequencies higher contrast is needed to resolve detail. When discussing the readability of small UI fonts and small icons on a 100+ pixel/inch display you are talking high spatial frequencies and contrast is of paramount importance for LOD or DOL user interfaces. So yes, the quality of the display is important as is gamma. 

     

    I agree that people should qualify their statements about what they can visually resolve and what they prefer instead of making blanket statements about the UI elements being too small to read or that light on dark is better for small sizes.  It is just not that simple.

     

    Paulo

     
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    Mar 26, 2012 3:45 PM   in reply to Paulo Skylar

    Yeah, there's no hard and fast rule, it's mostly preference, and it's great that we now have a choice - a PERFECT use for a preference setting in PS CS6.  Thank you Adobe.

     

    I could never understand why people could prefer dark text on light, because for me, while I can see it equally sharply, it always has just seemed much more comfortable to see light text on dark.  But most systems and apps now present dark text on light, so it's pretty clear what most folks must prefer. 

     

    One thing I wouldn't mind seeing - and this might help if Adobe isn't going to be able to change the sizes of the menu text - is the ability to make the light text on the dark background a bit lighter.  I think it's medium gray and light gray now.  If it were light gray and full-on white that might help readability on some systems.

     

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    Mar 26, 2012 3:57 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Isn't it mostly about images?  That's what Photoshop is all about, and a dark matt, or surround, as often as not gives an impression of crispness and saturation.  I recently got marked down when entering this portrait in a camera club competition because I used an off white matt board, the judge saying that a black matt would have brought out the red hair and the colour of the eyes etc.

     

    http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6145/5971702113_729caf1028.jpg

     

    If you check the portrait on my flickr site, and click on the image, it toggles between a dark and white background, and I think the judge made a fair point.  We never stop learning when it comes to image making.

     
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    Mar 27, 2012 6:42 PM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    Just want to let you know that I DO have what you would consider a big ''HD montior''.  Two of them, actually, each with more than 100ppi resolution. 

     

    I'm not belittling your point of view, I just happen to prefer the chrome and controls small, and have no problem using things that way.  If there were a way to make them even smaller I'd probably experiment with it.

     

    I hope the future holds even higher monitor resolutions, so we can stop worrying about such tricks as font smoothing.  Adobe will definitely have to deal with the issue.  I really thought they'd have dealt with it by now, to be honest.  This has been brought up at each new release in recent history, and I can only guess it must be a nearly insurmountable technical obstacle to make the remaining small UI elements work at a larger size.

     

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    May 14, 2012 12:45 PM   in reply to Joey Rocco

    I've got to agree. The window labels are extremely small and hard to read. It goes against everything Accessibility is all about. Companies and developers who take the position that it works for them and to heck with the other are not playing well with others. Target Co. tried to ignore complaints from it's special-needs clients and they were sued for millions. For those of us over 60, the new CS6 interface is user-hostile.

     
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    May 14, 2012 1:21 PM   in reply to chilldave

    chilldave wrote:

     

    …For those of us over 60, the new CS6 interface is user-hostile.

     
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    May 14, 2012 1:23 PM   in reply to chilldave

    I AGREE.  I AM NOT BUYING CS6, AND WON'T BUY AGAIN UNTIL I CAN READ WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN USING PHOTOSHOP.  ADOBE IS MAKING A BIG MISTAKE BY NOT GIVING US THE CHOICE OF LARGER FONTS

     
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    May 14, 2012 1:29 PM   in reply to doreintl

    Doreintl, can you please be more specific about what you can't read?

     

    I mention this, because some parts of the UI are customizable.  Just not certain other parts, like the main menus.  I just want to make sure you've noticed the settings I mentioned in my March 26 post above.

     

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    May 14, 2012 3:32 PM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    THANKS.  I SPOKE WITH ADOBE TECH AND THEY SIMPLY SAY THAT IT ISN'T IN THE CODE AND THEY CANNOT INCREASE ANY SIZE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.  THEY DO AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO READ IF THE TEXT WERE LARGER

     
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    Oct 11, 2012 11:21 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    Noel, you need more than glasses to get an acceptable perspective.

     

    Sad!

     
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    Oct 12, 2012 3:49 AM   in reply to n781lc

    Apparently I also need an ESP amplifier to decode cryptic posts like yours.  Care to share what you really mean?

     

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    Jun 18, 2013 12:00 AM   in reply to Noel Carboni

    With the latest advances in monitor quality, I was expecting to see menu icon size settings in CC. Verry disapointed! Just accept that some users do like to work on laptops and adjust colors in ther studios. One of our designers is struggling with a 15" 1900x1200 laptop, with icon sizes about 2x2 mm. Should I tell her "her something larger, heavier and bulkier or just downgrade your monitor"? I was, myself thinking about a 13inch light laptiop for working from the beach - doen't look like it's happening....

     
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