I just down loaded a trail version of Audition 5.5 the only reason I am trying it is because Premiere 5 had a mixer that you could "link" two or more faders together and by moving one they all moved and created key frames. After version 6 that was gone. So I assumed Adobe moved that "feature" to Audition so far I can not find it. Did Adobe still not include this? I have 18 audio tracks and I want to be able to control several as groups with out routing to sub groups because the seperate channels will need adjusting. So is there a way or not. If not I will just stick to Premiere's mixer.
Ok I have been studing this program all day and I am confused. Also I saw a clip by Jason Levine did I hear him right you have to make all changes like levels with manually input key frames? You can not run the tracks and adjust with the faders? IS that right? Really? I have not found out how to do it if you can. I sent from Premiere a 16 track audio and video sequence I wanted to mix. Can I use the faders or would I have to just go one track at a time placing key frames. I can do it with faders in Premiere so I don't get why I would use Adudition. I must just be missing something I went through all of the Basic Tutorial and I only found key frame info. Jason refered in the video I saw to the drop down combo box that only has OFF and READ saying that premiere users are used to seeing Touch Latch and Write but that isn't in this version of Adudition. So how do I use the faders watching his video it seemed that the only reason for the faders is that you can watch them go up and down AFTER you do all the work one key frame at a time. Please someone tell me I have just missed something, did a train go through here cause I sure missed it.
Well, the thing is that, using any form of software mixer, you're pretty much limited to only being able to do one control input at a time (other than the use of external hardware controllers of course). For that reason, it IS more common to use a system that gives super precise presets of all your fades and level changes. Audition gives you the key frame system and also a system of volume envelopes on each track. In Audition's method of working (what you describe as watching the faders go up and down) it's effectively emulating the way huge audio post suites work. The mixers there record movements done a bit at a time then (triggered by time code) you sit and watch them mix you show or film for you.
If you want the manual control you describe, the method SteveG describes of using post fader groups is the way I'd use. Again, it emulates how a hardware mixer works so I guess I'm used to it. However, for anything I need to be precise and repeatable, I'd be using keyframes or envelopes.
Also I saw a clip by Jason Levine did I hear him right you have to make all changes like levels with manually input key frames? You can not run the tracks and adjust with the faders? IS that right? Really?
Bad news: Yes, I'm afraid that Jason is quite correct about that as far as CS5.5 is concerned...
Good news: It's fixed in Audition CS6! Back to a more normal way of writing automation. The issue with CS5.5 is that it was one of the features that didn't make the cut due to major time constraints.
Welchphoto: You can do this in Reaper (it's really easy to set one track as the Master of a group, and the other tracks in the group as Slaves), but you can't do it in Audition. I like the Reaper feature a lot, and would use it if it were in Audition.
Hi, thanks for the answers, so Audition CS6 has what I want does that mean I have to up grade my premiere 5.5 to 6 just so I can send a project to Audition CS6? More money out the window. I am glad I only downloaded a test version I think I will just stay with the mixer in Premiere less money and it mostly does what I want. It pisses me off that in version 5 I could slave faders together and that was taken away. Really one should not remove features only add them and make them better.
Really one should not remove features only add them and make them better.
But that is what happens! The only snag is that because of all of the complaining from just about everybody about the amount of time it took to get them all into new versions, they started releasing incomplete versions in between...
Oh and there has been a version 4 of Audition - if you look at the info page, you'll find that CS5.5 is Audition 4, and the new version, when you get it, is Audition 5. For some strange reason though, they've become known by the CS numbers rather than the more sensible version numbers.
Harmonise? That's one way of looking at it, yes. The other way is that Adobe is enforcing conformity on it!
But really it makes some sense, I suppose, and the reason isn't that hard to find. In any given release of CS, the inter-app hooks are designed to work just so. So for instance, Audition 1.5 or even Audition 3 isn't going to play anything like as well as Audition 4 is with the rest of CS5.5. And I expect that this degree of 'compatibility' (if that's what it is) will continue. So Audition 5 is going to be better integrated into CS6 than any other version, regardless of what other features are or aren't there. It will be interesting to see how well Audition 5 works with rest of CS5.5 - I have no information about that at all.
More like harmonise with what the marketing department think is a good idea.
(And didn't Adobe stop interfacing Audition with the rest of the Creative Suite for a few releases when they were pushing Soundbooth? CS5.5 was the first one with the "hooks" in a while methinks.)
I'd love to know what proportion of Audition users have the rest of the Creative Suite though...compared to those who just do audio (like radio stations, classical music recordists, theatre sound people, and all the others from the "traditional" user base.
That said, I guess marketing won. I stopped calling it Audition 4 and started using CS5.5 ages ago.
I used the 'harmonise' word because I've got into the habit of using it to mean 'enforced standardisation between departments' - it's a buzzword where I work.
I'm getting into video, and I'm looking forward to/dreading how Audition is going to work with my program, Power Director. If the two programs don't work well together, I'll get Premiere Elements and expect them to harmonise. :-)
Bob, what are you using Premiere for?
Mainly just "home movies" and stitching stills I've taken into a slide show with music. My serious video days ended about ten years ago and I don't even have a video camera (other than my phone) any more.
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My serious video days ended about ten years ago and I don't even have a video camera (other than my phone) any more.
I didn't think that I'd got one either until I read through the manual for my Pentax K-5 and discovered that it is also, to all intents and purposes a hi-def one!
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