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Blackmagic Intensity Pro Output

May 7, 2012 10:20 AM

Latest reply: leslie wand, May 13, 2012 2:04 AM

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15. Jim Simon,

May 8, 2012 9:19 AM in reply to Ray Tragesser

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Not sure why you guys are expecting more from the Mercury Transmit Feature?

Not the feature, the card. I expect Mercury Transmit to pass the video "as is" to the card. I expect the card to be able to now read that video, even though it's not in a BM sequence, and either send it on "as is", or convert on-the-fly to the desired resolution/frame rate set by the user (as most any Blu-ray player can). If it can't do the latter (conversion) it's usefulness is minimized somewhat.

For example, I have a CRT HD for monitoring which is far better than most any consumer flat panel monitor. But as a CRT set, it can't take 1080p resolution or 23.976 at any resolution. So for me to use that card, I'd have to convert on the fly to something the set can accept.

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16. Ray Tragesser,

May 8, 2012 10:12 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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For $199 not sure expectations are totally realistic. Looking back just a year ago the Teranex boxes were very expensive that would do this real time conversion. I understand the Final Cut comparison with the same card and also the frustration you are having now. The good news is that Blackmagic has aquired Teranex and have drastically cut prices. The bad news is we still have yet to determine if this is a limitation of:

Premiere Pro
Adobe Mercury Transmit
BM Card
BM Driver
Monitoring

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/teranex/
$2000 gets you cross converting all day and night.

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17. CSTeam3,

May 8, 2012 10:21 AM in reply to Jim Simon

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"What am I missing here?"

Ray,

It IS a monitor issue. That's just the point.

My monitor won't display anything but 1080i. The issue is that FCP can overcome this by outputting a display rate that I specify no matter the sequence settings. Premiere can not! Premiere can only pass through what the sequence is set for. And all this with exactly the same card on exactly the same system! So I know it's not a limitation of the card.

Geesh, I feel like we're talking in circles here. You guys figure it out. Later.

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18. redprod,

May 8, 2012 11:13 AM in reply to redprod

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Worth pointing out, when I copy/pasted 4K RED R3D files into a DSLR 720p60 sequence, scale to fit, half res playback, it played back quite nicely on the TV screen with no rendering. No CUDA graphics card, 12 gigs ram on 8 Core Mac Pro. I do have a Red Rocket installed, but I turned it off to see how much of a difference it was making, and it seemed to still be playing pretty well.

So, if it wasn't for the framerate/resolution sequence issues, this would be pretty amazing.

-sam

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19. Jim Simon,

May 8, 2012 6:47 PM in reply to Ray Tragesser

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For $199 not sure expectations are totally realistic.

Blu-ray players are now less than $100, and they all do it.

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20. Jim Simon,

May 8, 2012 6:50 PM in reply to redprod

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4K RED R3D files

And there's another point. How many folks using 4K media will actually have a 4K monitor? You NEED that real time conversion from all output cards.

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21. Shane_Ross,

May 9, 2012 4:01 PM in reply to Jim Simon

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FCP changed the output IN THE APP. If you were running a 1080p 23.98...and you didn't have a monitor that supported that...you could tell FCP to send out a 1080i 29.97 signal. Then the signal going from FCP to the IO device would be 29.97. The VIEW>VIdeo Playback was where you changed this. And you could change it to 720p 59.94 if you wanted, and the 1080p 23.98 signal would be converted by FCP to 720p 59.94. FCP did that, not the IO devices.

For the record, this is something Avid does too...the locking the output to match the sequence. The project settings determine the output settings, and they cannot be changed. You can have the card, via it's interface, change the signal. At least in the AJA Control panel.

When I'm done rendering in COLOR, I'll see how the Kona 3 interacts with CS6...

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22. AlexElkins,

May 9, 2012 4:18 PM in reply to Shane_Ross

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Erm, am I missing something here? As the previous poster mentions, don't you just need to choose your display format in the Blakmagic Control Panel (or whatever it's called - I use Kona)?

In the AJA control panel you have your Primary Format, ie your sequence settings, then your Secondary Format for converting the signal for output to the monitor. If you happen to have a monitor that supports the same format at the sequence settings you can feed it the Primary Format. This is nothing new for FCP users, it's just that FCP lets you change your Secondary Format from inside FCP.

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23. Shane_Ross,

May 9, 2012 5:27 PM in reply to Shane_Ross

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OK...I can get PPro 6 to output 29.97 video from a 23.98 timeline with the AJA Kona 3. Follow these steps and see if it works for your BMD card.

Go to PREFERENCES and select PLAYBACK. See your device that has the check mark next to it? Click on SETUP. A small interface will appear that offers VIDEO FORMAT and PIXEL FORMAT. VIDEO FORMAT will say MATCH SEQUENCE. Click on that and choose what you want it to output. In my case, I used a 23.98 1080 sequence, but chose to play out 1080i29.97. And when I did...it worked fine. Just like it did in FCP.

See if this works for your BMD card.

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24. Shane_Ross,

May 9, 2012 5:52 PM in reply to Shane_Ross

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There...a quick blog post with visuals:

http://lfhd.net/2012/05/09/video-out-of-ppro-cs6-switching-monitoring- format/

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25. redprod,

May 9, 2012 6:06 PM in reply to Shane_Ross

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Shane, thanks for making that blog post. Unfortunately, Blackmagic doesn't have the setup option in the playback menu. Maybe in a future update? I emailed BM about this whole problem a few days ago, but never heard anything. Maybe I need to call them as well.

And Alex, in the system pref menu for the BM Intensity Pro card, there's no way to tell it what primary format to send it out as.

So this seems to be a Blackmagic fault, as Shane has proven that his AJA card can do it.

-sam

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26. Ray Tragesser,

May 9, 2012 7:18 PM in reply to redprod

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Hi Shane,

Good Detective Work! Thanks.

Is that a feature of just the Aja Kona 3G card or the whole Kona product line? The Kona 3G is $2000 quite a bit more than the $199 Intensity Pro.

Ray T

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27. Shane_Ross,

May 9, 2012 9:52 PM in reply to Ray Tragesser

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I'll wager it is the full Kona line. And I have the Kona 3...not 3G. The LHi is cheaper...IO Express even cheaper.

There's a reason AJA products are more expensive. Customer service is one...you encountered another...better software development. They are usually the first to come out with drivers, and good solid ones. And apparently with more features than the competition.

You get what you pay for.

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28. AlexElkins,

May 10, 2012 4:10 AM in reply to Shane_Ross

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I'm just trying to test this out with my Kona 3 and realised that I have no monitoring options at all, other than the default Adobe ones. AJA don't appear to have released drivers for CS6 yet, so how are you getting it to output to your monitor, Shane? I understand you were on the beta program so perhaps Adobe/AJA have sent you an as yet unreleased driver. If not, how come yours is working??

I just installed the CS5.5 drivers wondering if that would help. It didn't, although I don't have 5.5 installed, which might be the problem there.

Any thoughts?

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29. michaschmidt_germany,

May 10, 2012 4:55 AM in reply to redprod

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Yep all that is kinda frustrating! And another thing is in my case i have 1080p25 footage and use it ( have to) in a 1080i50 sequence.
1st issue: a short but really noticaable delay on my external screen. and 2nd issue: i can't see anything that is in the "Source" monitor (cuz it plays back 25p in that one)

...well maybe a lil Blackmagic Mini Converter can help? (like the HDMI to SDI or UpDownCross...)

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30. Shane_Ross,

May 10, 2012 10:31 AM in reply to AlexElkins

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Yeah...sorry. This is a beta plugin. I didn't realize that (well, REMEMBER that) when I did the blog post. Since CS6 was released, I assumed that the AJA plugins were as well, and they weren't. Still some things to be locked down.

I hope I don't get smacked for posting that blog. If it comes down, you know that I did.

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31. AlexElkins,

May 10, 2012 10:50 AM in reply to Shane_Ross

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Cheers Shane, thanks for clarifying. Guess we have to just wait for AJA then.

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32. leslie wand,

May 13, 2012 2:04 AM in reply to AlexElkins

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to use the local venacular here: Erm, am I missing something here?

i'm just moving over fron vegas using two monitors off a gtx and my bm intensity pro playing full hd of whatevers on the timeline.

does cs6 behave differently from this? if so how?

i'm in pal land

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